Live MSM coverage on Baby Lisa 19 October 2011

[jjenny]

It is very likely that temp dropped to about 60 degrees by 10:00pm that night. It had dropped to 51 degrees by 4:00am. That concrete sloop got pretty cold. I have a hard time believing these two were sitting there the entire time.

Depending on how drunk they were, they might have not noticed any of this.

 

[Kat]

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It should be here WOO.

 

[passionflower]

Just wondering if baby Lisa was an accident, unplanned and DB was at her wits end now that baby Lisa needed more attention, into things, teething and using up DB's adult time.
2 older boys can dress, themselves, get a drink, etc.
A 10 month old is a handful at times.
If the relationship isn't good, and dad was partial to Lisa. DB is unhappy, jealous and drinking then baby would be in the way so to speak..........JMOO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Adult time? I would think that is something that goes on 24/7 when you're a responsible parent with a baby and young children in the house. I think she wanted child time. She is very immature. This female has very poor judgement and appears to want to explain away her bad behavior.

I know that you don't want to disparage the mother, nor do I, but after watching DB in many segmented interviews, there are some personality characteristics that are easily discernable. DB is extremely immature. She craves attention and is totally self-absorbed. This entire "missing Baby Lisa" scenario has become about Deborah who doesn't even mention her daughter when she's interviewed. I will grant the possibility that this is the way that editors are choosing to portray Ms. Bradley, but I am getting a sense that DB cares more about the possible outcome of this saga for herself than that of her child. jmo

 

[gwenabob]

Yes, she did and No, Ashley did not have to be present when the call WAS NOT MADE/OR NOT RECEIVED.. the reason Ashley knows there was NO CALL MADE OR RECEIVED at or around 2:30am from either of the 2 functioning cell phones in question IS BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE THAT HER BROTHER/DEB DID NOT PAY THE CELL PHONE BALANCE THUS RESULTING IN BOTH OF THOSE 2 FUNCTIONING CELL PHONES TEMPORARILY HAVING THE SERVICE DISCONNECTED DURING THE TIME IN QUESTION, INCLUDING THE "alleged" CALL MADE/RECEIVED AT/AROUND 2:30am Oct 4.

That is how Ashley is privy to having and knowing that specific information and chose to tweet the truth to dispel one of the many or multiple inaccuracies being reported..

The cell phone used to call 911 IS NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED TO THE SERVICE PROVIDED TO their 2 personal cell phones.. It is a work issued phone and the service is provided thru a business service contract that Jeremy Was NOT responsible to pay for it's monthly service.. This phone was not in the home that night, but rather was on Jeremy's person..

But all in all ppl will choose to believe what they'd like about what is true and/or accurate info/details of this case.. We do not have to all agree either way

DB said that since they did not pay the bill they were not allowed to make OUTGOING calls, but they could still receive INCOMING calls. Perhaps it was an INCOMING text that was received on one of the lost phones. Hopefully the phones will be found so this question can be answered once and for all. :seeya:

 

[Whisperer]

I would like to see them interview the legal father, DB's husband. Now, there's a story that would pay. He may be able to retire from the armed forces.

He must be fuming about now...oh, the stories he could tell.....

Wanna bet there was no divorce ever filed by DB?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Here's one thing, for me, that got a "weedle bit clearer" tonight.

I've wanted to know which neighbor was the drinking buddy. Seems tonight one of the reporters was talking about "the neighbor" and he motioned next door - the house to the left when you are standing in front of the Irwin house - facing it. The house on the driveway side. And he said that "the neighbor" lived "just next door".

Ok.

DB said she turned the lights off because "the neighbor" told her she did - "the neighbor" saw the house "go dark" after she went home.

FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The neighbor's house is on the opposite side of the "computer room" with the tampered screen and window. NO WAY could she have seen any lights on in that room - nope.

And again, concerning the neighbor that I'm waiting to hear. Was this the same neighbor that had the teen that LE took DNA from? Now, in NO WAY, am I talking about sleuthing this "teen". I just want to know how many different neighbor's houses are we talking about? And, the teen is the only person that LE has collected DNA from (well outside of JI and DB - but they're the parents) - si, I kinda think its important.

As for theories, I'm still leaning to Lisa falling out of the crib and breaking her neck - laying there until daddy comes home and either he or mom or both find her - way too late to call 911 then (or at least that's what they think - esp cause mom's drunk). But I still waiver back and forth with a lot of things......that's not hard in this case.

 

[passionflower]

I would like to see them interview the legal father, DB's husband. Now, there's a story that would pay. He may be able to retire from the armed forces.

He must be fuming about now...oh, the stories he could tell.....

He may get his son now.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I know that you don't want to disparage the mother, nor do I, but after watching DB in many segmented interviews, there are some personality characteristics that are easily discernable. DB is extremely immature. She craves attention and is totally self-absorbed. This entire "missing Baby Lisa" scenario has become about Deborah who doesn't even mention her daughter when she's interviewed. I will grant the possibility that this is the way that editors are choosing to portray Ms. Bradley, but I am getting a sense that DB cares more about the possible outcome of this saga for herself than that of her child. jmo

Like she told the reporter this morning when asked for a few words. " Would if I could but I can't.

 

[norest4thewicked]

DB said that since they did not pay the bill they were not allowed to make OUTGOING calls, but they could still receive INCOMING calls. Perhaps it was an INCOMING text that was received on one of the lost phones. Hopefully the phones will be found so this question can be answered once and for all. :seeya:

Yes, possibly an incoming text that said something along the lines of, "I have it all taken care of."

 

[Whisperer]

Since garbage pick-up day was Tuesday Morning, did the phones manage to get thrown in the garbage?

 

[Quiche]

Like she told the reporter this morning would asked for a few words. " Would if I could but I can't.

Yeah, that little quip dropped my jaw. How foolish.

 

[AphroditeInHerNighti]

Just wondering if baby Lisa was an accident, unplanned and DB was at her wits end now that baby Lisa needed more attention, into things, teething and using up DB's adult time.
2 older boys can dress, themselves, get a drink, etc.
A 10 month old is a handful at times.
If the relationship isn't good, and dad was partial to Lisa. DB is unhappy, jealous and drinking then baby would be in the way so to speak..........JMOO

I hate even thinking a mother can be so terrible to an infant, but my ex sister in law was VERY jealous of her daughter who was 10. My BIL divorced her due to it and got custody of the daughter due to things that were proven in court.. she was terribly cruel to the girl out of jealousy.It was as if this adult woman felt she was in competition with her own preteen daughter... just weird.
I guess a woman who seriously has a screw loose could be jealous of an infant getting more attention.. but I cant even imagine it. An infant?! If this is going the way it seems to be.. lets hope it was a horrible accident and not this.

 

[obody]

Yes, she did and No, Ashley did not have to be present when the call WAS NOT MADE/OR NOT RECEIVED.. the reason Ashley knows there was NO CALL MADE OR RECEIVED at or around 2:30am from either of the 2 functioning cell phones in question IS BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE THAT HER BROTHER/DEB DID NOT PAY THE CELL PHONE BALANCE THUS RESULTING IN BOTH OF THOSE 2 FUNCTIONING CELL PHONES TEMPORARILY HAVING THE SERVICE DISCONNECTED DURING THE TIME IN QUESTION, INCLUDING THE "alleged" CALL MADE/RECEIVED AT/AROUND 2:30am Oct 4.

That is how Ashley is privy to having and knowing that specific information and chose to tweet the truth to dispel one of the many or multiple inaccuracies being reported..

The cell phone used to call 911 IS NOT IN ANYWAY RELATED TO THE SERVICE PROVIDED TO their 2 personal cell phones.. It is a work issued phone and the service is provided thru a business service contract that Jeremy Was NOT responsible to pay for it's monthly service.. This phone was not in the home that night, but rather was on Jeremy's person..

But all in all ppl will choose to believe what they'd like about what is true and/or accurate info/details of this case.. We do not have to all agree either way

That has me wondering why the mom had been spending time re-programming the numbers on the cell phones, if none of them were able to make a call?

 

[gwenabob]

Yes, possibly an incoming text that said something along the lines of, "I have it all taken care of."

I thought it was something like, "I'm ready when you are."

 

[LancelotLink]

Just wondering if baby Lisa was an accident, unplanned and DB was at her wits end now that baby Lisa needed more attention, into things, teething and using up DB's adult time.
2 older boys can dress, themselves, get a drink, etc.
A 10 month old is a handful at times.
If the relationship isn't good, and dad was partial to Lisa. DB is unhappy, jealous and drinking then baby would be in the way so to speak..........JMOO

All I can tell you is what DB said. Lisa was not planned. JI was excited and DB was scared. This was on the interview with Meghan Kelly.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I thought it was something like, "I'm ready when you are."

My statement was purely rhetorical. I know there was a rumor that what you said was said, but we aren't allowed to discuss it...thus why I used the words I did.

 

[linajoy]

FYI
There have been rumors flying here in KC tonight..


@KrisKetz #LisaIrwin rumor control. @KCPolice says NO truth to the rumor of finding human remains in this case. Spread the word... #RTPlease

 

[LancelotLink]

That has me wondering why the mom had been spending time re-programming the numbers on the cell phones, if none of them were able to make a call?

Bingo!!

So many things she threw out to the media in the beginning just don't make sense.
And the timing of her revelations!! One day, the media is saying how she really boxed herself in on the window and the lights and the timeline, and the next day, she claims she was drunk, timeline is gone, taking the neighbor's word for the lights out and JI listed the lights left on. A lamp in the ilvingroom, two lights in the kitchen, accent lights and pumpkin lit in the computer room. Not every light in the house and she was so quick to jump in with, "Oh, he always says that. Every light in the house is on." So there go the lights....

 

[norest4thewicked]

FYI
There have been rumors flying here in KC tonight..


@KrisKetz #LisaIrwin rumor control. @KCPolice says NO truth to the rumor of finding human remains in this case. Spread the word... #RTPlease

I haven't heard anyone here spreading that rumor.