Live MSM coverage on Baby Lisa 19 October 2011

[jjenny]

All I can tell you is what DB said. Lisa was not planned. JI was excited and DB was scared. This was on the interview with Meghan Kelly.

Was it explained why she was scared? This was not her first child, after all.

 

[AphroditeInHerNighti]

FYI
There have been rumors flying here in KC tonight..


@KrisKetz #LisaIrwin rumor control. @KCPolice says NO truth to the rumor of finding human remains in this case. Spread the word... #RTPlease

Yep. they are flying here in the St Louis Metro area.. Im in the metro east. Ive heard they found a burnt body behind the shed on and off all day.. its all rubbish and trolls thinking they are cute. :banghead:

 

[linajoy]

I haven't heard anyone here spreading that rumor.

I said in Kansas City.... there was a radio DJ who reported something inaccurate.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Wise, Another neighbor I'm curious about is the one that is directly across from the Irwin house. The neighbor that Jersey visited sometimes per the news that I've read about but don't have the link handy.

Wasn't the neighbor with the teens not directly next to the Irwin's house but across the street some on a corner? In da Middle mentioned this I believe at one time.

If I'm remembering incorrectly, just ignore me...can't keep up anymore.

 

[LancelotLink]

Was it explained why she was scared? This was not her first child, after all.

Not that I recall. Hopefully, MK will post the entire interview.

 

[Whisperer]

I hate even thinking a mother can be so terrible to an infant, but my ex sister in law was VERY jealous of her daughter who was 10. My BIL divorced her due to it and got custody of the daughter due to things that were proven in court.. she was terribly cruel to the girl out of jealousy.It was as if this adult woman felt she was in competition with her own preteen daughter... just weird.
I guess a woman who seriously has a screw loose could be jealous of an infant getting more attention.. but I cant even imagine it. An infant?! If this is going the way it seems to be.. lets hope it was a horrible accident and not this.

Narcissists often are jealous of their own children.

 

[katydid23]

Was it explained why she was scared? This was not her first child, after all.

Maybe she was 'scared' because she did not want to get tied down with JI. She might have been living with him more out of convenience, having a nice place to live and to stay home with her kid, and suddenly they are having one together, unplanned.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I said in Kansas City.... there was a radio DJ who reported something inaccurate.

And, I said...here...as in Websleuths...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Narcissists often are jealous of their own children.

Methinks that DB was getting tired of hearing people commenting about beautiful Baby Lisa. jmo

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

All I can tell you is what DB said. Lisa was not planned. JI was excited and DB was scared. This was on the interview with Meghan Kelly.

My child wasn't planned and I was scared too, doesn't mean I'd change a thing now or then. I have mixed feelings here and would side with the family if there were any logical elements that led me to do so....people lie and in this case its hard to discern if its someone who might be addicted to lying as a byproduct or if the reason is worse...all JMO

 

[Kat]

Off topic but NG showed a more than a couple less than a few pictures of Lisa that I had not seen.

When her show is uploaded I'll try to screencapture them

 

[SmoothOperator]

I do not like or care for Deb one tiny bit.. I don't like her choices, I don't like her attitude, I don't like anything about her, period!! These are my personal opinions and they amount to less than a hill of beans and are of zero help or assistance in finding or bringing baby Lisa home.. Nor do they in any way help LE to solve this case and bring justice to any/all in any way involved in what's happened to baby Lisa!!

I do not like a bit Brenda and Damon Van Dam, I don't like their choices, I don't like their bizarre attitudes about a multitude of issues that went on in their home with their children.. I didn't like that they engaged in lots of booze and even illegal drugs.. I certainly didn't like and I found it appalling the "swinging" that they openly engaged in bringing all different kinds of questionable ppl with questionable(if any) morals whatsoever!! All of this done in and around the home where their 3 children lived as well( a daughter, and 2 sons)..

The drinking, drugging and partying Into the wee early morning hours of the night that their only daughter disappeared from her bed where she slept!!!

I never liked the parents Brenda and Damon for so many different reasons with the list being long and "dirty" of all the behaviors they openly chose to take part in and for their to bring these behaviors in and around their 3 children's lives was repulsive to me and was the epitome of selfish, self centered, self absorbed behaviors with little regard for how it would affect their kids..*

I felt all of those things for those 2 parents and my opinion of them and their choices, attitudes, and behaviors still remains the same and unchanged.. It is my personal feelings and opinions of two parents whose daughter disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night.. Parents who didnt hear a thing!! no one heard a thing!!A monster came in their home and abducted their only daughter WITH BOTH MOM AND DAD AND HER 2 BROTHERS ALL THERE IN THE HOME, SLEEPING!!! AND NO ONE HEARD ANYTHING!!!

My personal feelings for Danielle's parents didnt and doesn't mean a damn thing.. My personal opinions of Danielle's parents and the reckless and "immoral" lifestyle that they chose to have around their children and that MOM THE NIGHT HER DAUGHTER DISAPPEARED WAS WASTED, PARTYING INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING.. my opinion and what I felt about ALL of it didn't and doesnt amount to EVEN a hill of beans.. It's my personal opinion and there's so very many things I don't approve of and don't Like about Danielle's parents but it doesnt mean a thing as to the guilt in their daughter's murder!! My personal feelings of anger and disapproval for those parents and their decisions did not make them guilty of the rape and murder of their daughter, Danielle..

Just like my anger and disapproval of the parents of baby Lisa does not make them guilty of her disappearance!!
I don't like them and I don't like many of their behaviors and choices.. But that's my personal opinion and personal opinions of peoples very poor choices and decisions does not equal guilty *of their daughter being abducted..

 

[LancelotLink]

In the beginning, she placed herself in the computer room and at the point of entry, she said she opened the window. She placed herself as the last person to see Lisa. She placed herself locking the door and turning off the lights.

And something else that bothers me in a huge list of bugaboos. Who in the hello, with a stolen baby, takes a poly and the first thing they say is "How did i do?":waitasec:

 

[yllek]

I'm not trusting what Ashley Irwin or any of the family members have to say about the phones or any other aspect of the case. They are close to the players and understandably biased. I don't believe LE is sharing anything with them, so whatever they say is speculation or based on information from Debbi and Jeremy.

Ashley is the one that said on national tv that Debbi is expecting to be arrested because "that's what LE does when they have no leads; pin it on someone."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/1...ent-in-case-missing-missouri-baby-lisa-irwin/
(She then retracted her statement and claimed she worded it wrong)
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Debbi's father is the one that said, after Debbi revealed that she failed her poly and LE confronted her, that it was understandable that there would be itty bitty gaps and inconsistencies in Debbi's time line and statements made to LE separately by Debbi and Jeremy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44821388/
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Family members told KCTV5 station on Oct 12th that the man in the video buying wine with Debbi was her brother and that the wine was bought for a family event.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/15676197/...hows-lisas-mom

5 days later, Debbi claimed on the Today Show that she and her neighbor drank the boxed wine she bought earlier that day and she was drunk; possibly drunk enough to have blacked out.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...76-504083.html
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Not bashing the family, just saying that it's not abnormal that their objectivity would not be the same as ours when their loved ones are suspected of possibly doing things that they don't think these loved ones would ever do. JMO...

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Narcissists often are jealous of their own children.

Hi Whisperer. Any thoughts about histrionic PD? These cases are getting harder to take.:crazy:

 

[Miziree]

Here's one thing, for me, that got a "weedle bit clearer" tonight.

I've wanted to know which neighbor was the drinking buddy. Seems tonight one of the reporters was talking about "the neighbor" and he motioned next door - the house to the left when you are standing in front of the Irwin house - facing it. The house on the driveway side. And he said that "the neighbor" lived "just next door".

Ok.

DB said she turned the lights off because "the neighbor" told her she did - "the neighbor" saw the house "go dark" after she went home.

FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The neighbor's house is on the opposite side of the "computer room" with the tampered screen and window. NO WAY could she have seen any lights on in that room - nope.

And again, concerning the neighbor that I'm waiting to hear. Was this the same neighbor that had the teen that LE took DNA from? Now, in NO WAY, am I talking about sleuthing this "teen". I just want to know how many different neighbor's houses are we talking about? And, the teen is the only person that LE has collected DNA from (well outside of JI and DB - but they're the parents) - si, I kinda think its important.

As for theories, I'm still leaning to Lisa falling out of the crib and breaking her neck - laying there until daddy comes home and either he or mom or both find her - way too late to call 911 then (or at least that's what they think - esp cause mom's drunk). But I still waiver back and forth with a lot of things......that's not hard in this case.

I also saw a photo of the dad sitting on that porch to the left, i've looked but can't find it again..

This is not the same house the teen questioned was in..it was a white house with red trim on the corner lot..kiddy corner from them..In da middle didn't want to say which one but i found it by google maps and comparing it to them being questioned( i used the shed on the left side of the house to ID it)..btw there are a lot of white houses with red trim around there... Here is the photo:
http://yfrog.com/nv3btaj

 

[plaidmom]

Don't forget we have a mother here who failed a poly. That is difficult to excuse....though I am sure many will try in an effort to be fair. I don't have to be fair.

Do we know that as a fact though? Has it been confirmed by LE?:waitasec:

I was just thinking about the Breanne Rodriguez case today . Weren't the parents in that case also led to believe they had failed the poly? Oddly enough that was in MO too. Perhaps scaring the parents is just the M.O. in MO.

 

[AphroditeInHerNighti]

Methinks that DB was getting tired of hearing people commenting about beautiful Baby Lisa. jmo

We all better pray or hope that is not the case. In that event, just from my family's dealings with this type, that baby went through hell for a while I fear. Thats why I dont want to even think thats the case and I hope if she is deceased it was an accident due an incompetent box of wine drinking idiot of a parent ...and not a beast.

 

[EllaMae]

Thanks,

.........hmmm.. Believe a Judge who says there was a record of a call
........or believe the relative of a possible suspect.....

She's not a sitting judge on this case, nor is she privy to any inside information about evidence....

There has been plenty of misinformation going around. The phone call may or may not be a fact. Time will tell.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Methinks that DB was getting tired of hearing people commenting about beautiful Baby Lisa. jmo

This is possible as I think DB is either an addict or has pd or both. But I don't get a sense of a grand plan in place, although I should with no apparent evidence. :crazy: I mean why wait until dad's first night shift to do the deed, looks good on paper but also draws more suspicion......JMO