LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 22-23 OCTOBER 2011

[JeannaT]

There hasn't been an arrest yet or charges filed in the disappearance of Baby Lisa, but JT and BS are he!!-bent on "defending" their clients: Attack the investigation, accuse LE of shoddy police work and untrained search dogs, yada...yada...yada. Oh, and have your client admit that she was drinking to the point of (possibly) blacking out. No body, no case. Horse hash, all of it. Someone get me a barf bag, please :sick:

Bill Stanton has stated very clearly that he's not there for the purpose of defending Lisa's parents, rather, to help out finding Lisa.

If that help includes stating when the public perceptions of the case are going off in the wrong direction, he's there to state it.

JT and Cindy Short are advocates for the Lisa's parents. Bill Stanton is there to ferret out the truth in what happened to Baby Lisa, which ever direction that takes.

 

[JeannaT]

I look at it this way, she failed the polygraph. According to Megyn Kelly on Fox, she followed up on that with LE and was told not only did she fail, but she "failed miserably."

Now we have a hit in her bedroom by a cadaver dog.

MOO the writing is on the wall here.

It reminds me of the old saying, "For those who believe no proof is necessary, for those who don't believe no proof is enough."

They can keep spinning, but I have not heard one bit of proof that BS or anyone else has that can convince me that these parents are NOT responsible for the death of Baby Lisa.


JMOO

LE has refused to comment on the poly results. It's only Deborah herself, who says what they told her.

I've certainly seen cops do that. We all have seen it. They say we have evidence, your friend ratted you out, you failed your poly, etc. It's legal, it's common. It's a tactic to try to break a witness if they're lying. She didn't break, though.

I'm not sure at all that she failed the poly and LE isn't saying.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Whether DB failed the poly or not (and we don't know whether she did or didn't), she sure rushed herself to the nearest reporte in order to get out in front of the story that she did fail it.

JMO

 

[2goldfish]

The lawyer tries to explain the cadaver dog hit:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...il-disturbed/2011/10/22/gIQA30xd5L_story.html

I'm sure our experts on here could argue that.

that was a tricksy statement. the way she stated it implies to someone who is ignorant of decompositional events that dogs can only hit in advanced stages which is not true at all. why the need for feeling tricksy?

speaking of decomp events, when I heard some carpeting was taken up, possibly where the dog(s) hit, I wondered if the illustrious dr arpad vass may be called upon in this case.

 

[curiositycat]

LE has refused to comment on the poly results. It's only Deborah herself, who says what they told her.

I've certainly seen cops do that. We all have seen it. They say we have evidence, your friend ratted you out, you failed your poly, etc. It's legal, it's common. It's a tactic to try to break a witness if they're lying. She didn't break, though.

I'm not sure at all that she failed the poly and LE isn't saying.

So you are saying you don't believe MK when she stated to DB that LE told her she "failed miserably."

Do you think LE lied about it? Why would they risk doing something like lying about a ld test?

 

[nursebeeme]

<snipped by me>

“There’s really no scenario where this baby, God forbid she was dead, would have decomposed in that short a period of time,” Tacopina told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday night.

Interesting, because from everything I've read, chemical changes begin to occur in the body the moment the heart stops beating. But setting that aside...I'd sure like to know what Tacopina knows, that we don't know, that indicates to him that this was a "short period of time". Is 6 hours a short period of time, in his opinion? Assuming, of course, that the neighbor did see Lisa alive?

he is in damage control mode:twocents:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So you are saying you don't believe MK when she stated to DB that LE told her she "failed miserably."

Do you think LE lied about it? Why would they risk doing something like lying about a ld test?

Oh snap! I forgot about that! :doh:

 

[2goldfish]

LE has refused to comment on the poly results. It's only Deborah herself, who says what they told her.

I've certainly seen cops do that. We all have seen it. They say we have evidence, your friend ratted you out, you failed your poly, etc. It's legal, it's common. It's a tactic to try to break a witness if they're lying. She didn't break, though.

I'm not sure at all that she failed the poly and LE isn't saying.

my bold

http://www.antipolygraph.org/


that is how polygraphs work. this is why I discount them in ALL cases.


(I am not at all affilated with the site in any way, I am just simply flabbergasted that LE uses such tricks although it can work to tell a guilty person they failed, adds some pressure to confess I guess...but this is no good if you "fail" and are wholly innocent so never ever take one!)

 

[2goldfish]

So you are saying you don't believe MK when she stated to DB that LE told her she "failed miserably."

Do you think LE lied about it? Why would they risk doing something like lying about a ld test?

because that is how the test works!

 

[pinkfly]

So how soon can a cadaver dog make a hit?

I always thought it was around an hour after death but have no idea where I heard it. I had a friend use her dogs during an earthquake so maybe from her.

 

[curiositycat]

because that is how the test works!

Respectfully, I disagree.

 

[AngelWings444]

So you are saying you don't believe MK when she stated to DB that LE told her she "failed miserably."

Do you think LE lied about it? Why would they risk doing something like lying about a ld test?

I don't believe LE told MK or any other media person a thing about the polygraph test. I'm thinking MK misspoke. I'm not so sure they told DB she failed, because DB is the one who made this statement. She probably did fail, but until LE states this as fact, I'm not buying anything from DB.

LE has kept their mouths shut in this case for good reason. They want to find out the truth. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Bill Stanton has stated very clearly that he's not there for the purpose of defending Lisa's parents, rather, to help out finding Lisa.

If that help includes stating when the public perceptions of the case are going off in the wrong direction, he's there to state it.

JT and Cindy Short are advocates for the Lisa's parents. Bill Stanton is there to ferret out the truth in what happened to Baby Lisa, which ever direction that takes.

Yes, that's what he says... but so far I'm seeing him doing more PR for the parents than truth ferreting.

 

[Tuffy]

<snipped by me>

&#8220;There&#8217;s really no scenario where this baby, God forbid she was dead, would have decomposed in that short a period of time,&#8221; Tacopina told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday night.

Interesting, because from everything I've read, chemical changes begin to occur in the body the moment the heart stops beating. But setting that aside...I'd sure like to know what Tacopina knows, that we don't know, that indicates to him that this was a "short period of time". Is 6 hours a short period of time, in his opinion? Assuming, of course, that the neighbor did see Lisa alive?

Also, interesting that the family's attorney wants us to not believe the dog's findings. If mom's story is to be believed, she was passed-out-drunk, and didn't hear anything. How would she be so certain that Lisa was alive when she was removed from the home by the "intruder?"

Would it not be possible for the "intruder" to have also killed Lisa before removing her from the home? Did the "intruder" also turn on the lights, and put Lisa on the floor briefly before leaving? Mom supposedly doesn't know what happened after she fell asleep, until the time she was awakened by her boyfriend. How would she be able to dispute the findings of the FBI now?

btw- I put intruder in quotes because, IMO, there was no intruder.

 

[mysteriew]

Bill Stanton has stated very clearly that he's not there for the purpose of defending Lisa's parents, rather, to help out finding Lisa.

If that help includes stating when the public perceptions of the case are going off in the wrong direction, he's there to state it.

JT and Cindy Short are advocates for the Lisa's parents. Bill Stanton is there to ferret out the truth in what happened to Baby Lisa, which ever direction that takes.

BS also said he was there to work with LE. Do you see any evidence that is happening?

You would think if he was any kind of a trustworthy professional, that before he got on national TV and made that announcement that he would have first checked with LE and arranged that.

BS is just what his name stands for.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

he is in damage control mode:twocents:

Yes, but does he know when this child was taken from her crib? According to his client, she went to bed at 10:30, and never saw this child again. So, from 10:30 until 3:30 am is 5 hours. I'd just like to know if Joe considers 5 hours a short period of time wrt human decomposition, or if he knows more than we know regarding what occurred between the hours of 10:30 and 3:30. I mean, he's the one saying a body wouldn't decompose in such a "short period of time", so I'd just like to know his frame of reference. :innocent:

 

[2goldfish]

Respectfully, I disagree.

:blowkiss: if you've come to a different conclusion from your research I certainly respect that!

even with a difference of opinion, though, LE can and does "fudge the truth" when interviewing, they do it in many cases. it's another method of tripping up suspects, I dont mean anything bad to imply LE "lies" because it is part of their job.

 

[nursebeeme]

So how soon can a cadaver dog make a hit?

I always thought it was around an hour after death but have no idea where I heard it. I had a friend use her dogs during an earthquake so maybe from her.

take your question over to the q/a thread for cadaver dogs/hrd dogs.. I believe your question has already been answered by our experts sarx and oriah

 

[Bemsmom]

I don't believe LE told MK or any other media person a thing about the polygraph test. I'm thinking MK misspoke. I'm not so sure they told DB she failed, because DB is the one who made this statement. She probably did fail, but until LE states this as fact, I'm not buying anything from DB.

LE has kept their mouths shut in this case for good reason. They want to find out the truth. JMO

I agree that I think there was some mis-speaking/misquoting going on re: what was told to MK by LE. Why would they tell her DB 'failed miserably', but say 'no comment' regarding that fact during PCs? Doesn't make any sense, especially since they have been so tight lipped.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm sure he didn't mean they just grabbed some dog out of the pound and paraded it through the house, but rather, what type of training the dog had and how skilled the dog is. What history the dog has of being right almost all the time. (Again, in any study I've read in the last years, the dogs can be right ALMOST all the time, with 94% apparently being a very good score, indicating a very skilled dog. These are dogs who hit on known decomp sites, i couldn't find a study for dogs who falsely hit on sites known not to be contaminated. Which would have been more interesting here.)

I think the dogs they used to search for Jessica Lunsford were probably highly trained, but they couldn't track her, nor could the dogs tracking Laci Peterson hit on places where she was known to have been recently. Dogs couldn't track little Skylar (i forget last name, wandered off in the middle of the night from the tent).

I'm just curious. Did more than one dog hit, for example?

I'm no dog expert but I think that false negative errors of tracking dogs are probably caused by altogether different factors than the false positive errors of human remains detection dogs.