LIVE MSM COVERAGE on BABY LISA - 22-23 OCTOBER 2011

[MamaK]

Yes to the time. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so," (JI) says. People continues: But the job was trickier than expected, and he didn't leave the Starbucks until after 3:00a.m. And because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home. [ People, October 31, 2011].

That's interesting.

 

[jacy]

JI is an electrician & was working on a remodeling job at the Starbucks.

Have we heard previously that he was to get home that early? I cannot recall a single quote, but I've missed many pages.

 

[Minette]

Have we heard previously that he was to get home that early? I cannot recall a single quote, but I've missed many pages.

Jacy, the People article is the first time I have ever heard that particular bit of information.

 

[josie1986]

Maybe I'm ill informed or naive, but I don't believe for one second that the FBI's dogs are anything less than top notch and reliable.

So BS questioning the dog's certifications, etc is straw-clutching.

IMO

yeah i totally agree.....i think the fbi's would be some of the best in the country no?

sometimes i feel these people just need to be quiet :waitasec:

 

[MamaK]

Have we heard previously that he was to get home that early? I cannot recall a single quote, but I've missed many pages.

I've heard what time he came home and that it was the first time he's worked that late but not that him coming home that late was unexpected. I thought all along that DB knew he wasn't going to be coming home until that late. So, if that's true, she would've been expecting him to walk through the door at any moment, right?

 

[josie1986]

Jacy, the People article is the first time I have ever heard that particular bit of information.

ive not heard that eitheir......so that would be ANOTHER change in their story jeeeeeeez :banghead:

 

[Melanie]

Does anyone have the full hardcopy article featured in People Magazine?

Did JI state that he was supposed to be home at 10 p.m. from Starbucks but that the work took longer than expected? Did he also claim he could not phone home from the work cell in his pocket?

If I am correct it would be in this edition:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20539176,00.html

I have the hardcopy here.

Irwin, who works at a friend's electrical company during the day, had a side job remodeling the lighting in a nearby Starbucks that evening. He spent time with his family between shifts, then drove to work around 5:30 PM. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so".

And, because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill, and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home.

IMHO, DB thought JI was going to be home around 10:00 PM. The article indicates the neighbor left at 10:30 PM, and that after the neighbor left, DB, feeling drunk, goes to bed.

HTH,

Mel

 

[Geralyn]

Tacopina on the FBI cadaver dog:

Joe Tacopina, a New York lawyer hired by a benefactor he has not identified to represent Bradley and Irwin, said the dog could have detected "a dirty diaper or 10 other non-human-remains items."

But granting that cadaver dogs are trained chiefly to detect decomposing flesh, "There's really no scenario where this baby, God forbid she was dead, would have decomposed in that short a period of time," Tacopina told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday night.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-22/missing-baby-mo/50861648/1

Cyndy Short on the FBI cadaver dog:

"My understanding is that there are cold cases where dogs have hit on scents of decomposition that have been in the home for as long as 28 years," said Cyndy Short, in an exclusive interview with "Good Morning America." "This is an old home. 63 years old. There could be a lot of other explanations for that."

But Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant and former FBI special agent, said cadaver dogs are typically accurate.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/baby-lisa-irwin-family-attorney-cadaver-dogs-misleading/story?id=14790822

I wish I knew where she got her "understanding" from. (Short)
I've been trying to find any data to support that. Or find the oldest decomp scent a dog will hit on when searching for a "recent' decomp. Hope I'm articulating that correctly. ::ff to Q&A thread::::

 

[curiousc]

Yes to the time. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so," (JI) says. People continues: But the job was trickier than expected, and he didn't leave the Starbucks until after 3:00a.m. And because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home. [ People, October 31, 2011].

Those pesky cell phones again! I believe LE knows by now if those phones worked or not!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I have the hardcopy here.

Irwin, who works at a friend's electrical company during the day, had a side job remodeling the lighting in a nearby Starbucks that evening. He spent time with his family between shifts, then drove to work around 5:30 PM. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so".

And, because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill, and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home.

IMHO, DB thought JI was going to be home around 10:00 PM. The article indicates the neighbor left at 10:30 PM, and that after the neighbor left, DB, feeling drunk, goes to bed.

HTH,

Mel

Thank you.

The bit about the "phone calling" doesn't make any sense by what they have said. Wasn't all this "resticted service" talk about how DB's phone could GET calls - she just couldn't call out? Now, according to this article JI has it turned around and is saying that DB couldn't GET calls and that's why he couldn't let her know when he would be home?

Something stinks here....................

 

[MamaK]

Now I guess I have to go to Dollar General and buy a People magazine. :woohoo:

 

[josie1986]

I wish I knew where she got her "understanding" from. (Short)
I've been trying to find any data to support that. Or find the oldest decomp scent a dog will hit on when searching for a "recent' decomp. Hope I'm articulating that correctly. ::ff to Q&A thread::::

if you go to the HRD questions thread sarx has answered questions anyones had,but from what ive understood that is unlikely but not impossible? i may have misunderstood though.but IMO a dog that would be as highly trained as an Fbi HRD dog would be able to distinguish new and old decomp.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

And that also clears up the statement by JI that LE said something to him about how "something could have happened in the 2 hours he was home".

So I was right. He worked a "regular day shift" - probably coming home around 3-ish and then left again at 5:20 That puts him home only 2 hours that day all together.


hhmmmmm..............................and the thick plottens....................:waitasec:

 

[Wendy101]

I have the hardcopy here.

Irwin, who works at a friend's electrical company during the day, had a side job remodeling the lighting in a nearby Starbucks that evening. He spent time with his family between shifts, then drove to work around 5:30 PM. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so".

And, because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill, and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home.
IMHO, DB thought JI was going to be home around 10:00 PM. The article indicates the neighbor left at 10:30 PM, and that after the neighbor left, DB, feeling drunk, goes to bed.

HTH,

Mel

BBM: well this changes things up a bit...
Maybe mom got mad that JI was not home when he should have been ..... being drunk and angry at the same time is not a good thing when you are tending to a sick child.... IMO

 

[lynnb]

I have the hardcopy here.

Irwin, who works at a friend's electrical company during the day, had a side job remodeling the lighting in a nearby Starbucks that evening. He spent time with his family between shifts, then drove to work around 5:30 PM. "I told Deborah I should be home by 10 or so".

And, because they hadn't paid their cell phone bill, and their service had been restricted, Irwin wasn't able to let Bradley know when he'd be home.

IMHO, DB thought JI was going to be home around 10:00 PM. The article indicates the neighbor left at 10:30 PM, and that after the neighbor left, DB, feeling drunk, goes to bed.

HTH,

Mel

BBM

So if JI was doing a side job at night, and not his normal fulltime job, who was there to verify that JI was in fact at this Starbucks the entire time?

 

[josie1986]

Now I guess I have to go to Dollar General and buy a People magazine. :woohoo:

i don't think people is in sale in scotland,is there an online copy of the story?

 

[Melanie]

Not sure if this article has been linked. My apologies if this is a double post:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/justice/missouri-missing-girl/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Cadaver dog indicates 'hit' in home of missing Missouri girl

"The cadaver dog indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in the area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed," the affidavit read.

It also said that interviews with people involved in the case "revealed conflicting information" and that Bradley told police she did not initially look for her baby behind the house because she "was afraid of what she might find."

BBM: This is the first time I've heard that DB was afraid to look behind the house (I'm assuming this is the back yard). Did she think baby Lisa walked out there on her own? How do 10 month old babies open doors?

MOO

Mel

 

[Bon]

Thank you.

The bit about the "phone calling" doesn't make any sense by what they have said. Wasn't all this "resticted service" talk about how DB's phone could GET calls - she just couldn't call out? Now, according to this article JI has it turned around and is saying that DB couldn't GET calls and that's why he couldn't let her know when he would be home?

Something stinks here....................

I just typed this almost same thought and erased it thinking I didn't know what I was talking about!!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Minette]

I have never understood the bit about the cell phones being on restricted usage--I had always thought that if you didn't pay your bill they got cut off, period. (Of course the phone could still be used to call 911, though maybe not everyone realizes that.) On the other hand, I've never not paid the cell phone bill so I actually have no idea what the normal policy is. I would *guess* that it varies by carrier.

We don't know what JI said to LE about his work times, so for all we know they already know this. But it does seem strange that every time a new story comes about, a new detail of the sequence of events that night is put forth.

 

[josie1986]

Not sure if this article has been linked. My apologies if this is a double post:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/justice/missouri-missing-girl/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Cadaver dog indicates 'hit' in home of missing Missouri girl

"The cadaver dog indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in the area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed," the affidavit read.

It also said that interviews with people involved in the case "revealed conflicting information" and that Bradley told police she did not initially look for her baby behind the house because she "was afraid of what she might find."

BBM: This is the first time I've heard that DB was afraid to look behind the house (I'm assuming this is the back yard). Did she think baby Lisa walked out there on her own? How do 10 month old babies open doors?

MOO

Mel

i don't get why she said that,i'd be frantically running about checking everywhere,probably even places she couldnt be like the fridge or something :floorlaugh: just because i'd be in a state of hysteria. the yard would be the place i'd go once i realized she wasn't in the house