Livor mortis and time of death

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According to RZ's family lawyer, it's because JS said he was fully satisfied with the investigation. There was no reason for AG to agree to review the investigation, since JS didn't allege any misconduct by the police during their investigation.

Well, maybe I am too suspicious by nature, but if I lost my son and live in significant other, within a 2 day span, I would not be satisfied, as long as there were members of my family, her family or lawyers, still feeling unsatisfied.

Maybe he is in a better place mentally than most people, or maybe things were discussed with him step by step and evidence presented that Rebecca's family knows nothing about. Maybe there are questions that he does not want answers to.

Either way, I can not understand his 'satisfaction'.
 

From the article you posted:

snip -

When you die, your heart stops pumping blood, so blood stops moving around your body. Slowly, it begins to settle to the lowest parts. So if you die laying face-up in your bed, your blood will settle in your back, the back of your arms, the back of your legs, etc. If you hang yourself, the blood will settle in your feet (except for the blood that's trapped in your head by the rope you're hanging from). Then you can end up with an eggplant-colored face. (I know . . . say it together, class, "Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!")


A fixed lividity pattern is a wonderful way for a quick check on whether or not your body has been moved. For instance, let's say you died face-down in bed. The blood will settle where? Yes! In your tummy and the fronts of your legs and arms and your face! Again, we're talking about the possibility of an eggplant-face here. I know . . . get it out of your system. "Ewwwwwwwwwww!"

And let's say, you're lying there, (minding your own business) when someone finds you. They freak out. (People do that when they find dead people.) Then they call 911. Now you've been lying there, dead, for a while. You've got an eggplant-face, but the 911 dispatcher will often still tell the person to put you on a hard surface, (i.e., the floor) and turn you face-up to do CPR. (Important note: CPR doesn't work on people who have been dead so long they have an eggplant-face.)
 
From the article you posted:

snip -

When you die, your heart stops pumping blood, so blood stops moving around your body. Slowly, it begins to settle to the lowest parts. So if you die laying face-up in your bed, your blood will settle in your back, the back of your arms, the back of your legs, etc. If you hang yourself, the blood will settle in your feet (except for the blood that's trapped in your head by the rope you're hanging from). Then you can end up with an eggplant-colored face. (I know . . . say it together, class, "Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!")


A fixed lividity pattern is a wonderful way for a quick check on whether or not your body has been moved. For instance, let's say you died face-down in bed. The blood will settle where? Yes! In your tummy and the fronts of your legs and arms and your face! Again, we're talking about the possibility of an eggplant-face here. I know . . . get it out of your system. "Ewwwwwwwwwww!"

And let's say, you're lying there, (minding your own business) when someone finds you. They freak out. (People do that when they find dead people.) Then they call 911. Now you've been lying there, dead, for a while. You've got an eggplant-face, but the 911 dispatcher will often still tell the person to put you on a hard surface, (i.e., the floor) and turn you face-up to do CPR. (Important note: CPR doesn't work on people who have been dead so long they have an eggplant-face.)


Possibly the only good thing about Rebecca being naked is that the first responders may have noted how she looked? I can't believe no one made note of coloration until the 12 hours went by.
 
I posted this in the thread: Cover Her Face:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150062&page=2

There must be some sort of guidelines, rules or regulations concerning
coroners/medical examiners.
I've been looking on the web trying to find out about how soon a coroner/medical examiner should arrive on the scene of a suspicious death and if it would make a difference in being able to accurately calculate time of death.

I did find this and a couple others I didn't link to as they basically said about the same thing, but maybe some of you can find even better sites.


http://jessaminecountycoroner.com/The_Coroner_s_Call.html

Since in most cases the body of the deceased cannot be moved or repositioned until the coroner arrives,

Thanks a bunch, Adam, You #%@*&^%#

it is imperative to arrive at the scene as quickly as possible.

So let's see, AS calls 911 at 6:48 AM. I would think the detectives would have called the ME within an hour there a bouts. Oh, lets give the detectives and hour after being called to the scene by Fire Department / EMT . I might be being a little to generous here. That brings it to 8:45 AM but the ME doesn't arrive until what 8: PM?

That's over 11 hours!

So now we don't know for sure about the blood pooling because it was pretty well set by then.
 
I'm interested in your question also, but can't find the answer. I research one California case where the TOD was not even medically set even though the body was found within hours of a murder. In that case, a deputy coroner arrived about 5 hours after police. His report was so minimal it was pathetic. So I am thinking there are not many rules about all of this.

I've been looking on the web trying to find out about how soon a
coroner/medical examiner should arrive on the scene of a suspicious
death and if it would make a difference in being able to accurately calculate time of death.

This doesn't answer your question but here is some of the California Code regarding Coroners

http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/me/families/theprocess.html
Under California law the Medical Examiner is both required and empowered
to determine the cause and circumstance of certain deaths. For
additional details, see Government Code Section 27491 and the Health and Safety Code 102850.
In general, deaths of a sudden and unexpected nature are investigated.
All deaths related to any type of injury or intoxication must be
investigated by our office.
Government Code 27491
The coroner shall not finally exclude crime, suicide, or accident as a cause of death because of lack of evidence.
http://law.onecle.com/california/government/27491.html
 
Thanks, time. I also saw on one of the sites, sorry can't remember, but that there is or suppose to be a 'qualified' ME there 24/7

Got to read your links yet, but I've just got to get off this dang 'puter for at least a few and do some housework.:frown:

I'll check them out soon and get back to you
 
Hi time, Thanks again for those links. The one on CA law is very informative on everything. I've been wanting to find info on legislative and judicial powers and how it all works. Lots to read that's for sure. Anyway, the ME should arrive as soon as possible and not several hours
later. Out of common decency if for no other reason.
 
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