long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[Really?]

I'm rewatching the juror questions to JA."..lol.....can't wait for the one. Hehe

 

[Novice Seeker]

I don't recall him having had a shower earlier in the day. I am not sure she planned a shower killing, just a killing. He just happened to be in the shower when she returned. I don't believe a word she says about him posing on the shower for her. I think she came back, he was in the shower and she had him at gunpoint. I think he played it cool like she wouldn't do anything, then she made him sit and the rest is history. His last picture is when he realizes she really is going to kill him. JMO.

That's an interesting point. We (I) are assuming that Jodi is telling some truths. After watching her spar with JM over every single word before she will acknowledge that she did say whatever she had or if something is true or not I believe you may be correct.

 

[Mykeru]

If you'd googled mother's house and the ammo reference you would have found this link. Scroll about a third of the way down, quoting Jean Casarez.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/22/ng.01.html

This?

CASAREZ: Yes, they did, a woman they believed was her mother. Another thing from these police incident reports, they later executed a search warrant on her mother`s home, her parents` home. They found a box of .25- millimeter bullets in that home.

I think the talking head might have been tongue tied. I seem to remember the 9mm ammo was at her mother's house. She seems to have conflated .25 cal. and .9mm as ".25 mm".

When I say "cite" I mean an original source document. Not what someone said somewhere.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/22/ng.01.html

CASAREZ: Yes, they did, a woman they believed was her mother. Another thing from these police incident reports, they later executed a search warrant on her mother`s home, her parents` home. They found a box of .25- millimeter bullets in that home.

GRACE: Man, was that brought into the jury in the state`s case in chief?

CASAREZ: Not that I know of, no.

GRACE: I`m just very surprised and concerned all of this has not gone in front of the jury. But again, maybe the state`s holding it back for rebuttal.
Here`s another twist on that,
Jean Casarez. Can the mother be called to testify as to what her daughter told her in that car? Would she tell the truth, or would she lie to save her daughter`s skin, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: Well, an interesting point is, it was the mother that was inquiring, and the reports do not say who she was inquiring to, but she was asking about the gun her daughter had hidden in the car. So Jodi`s mother knows information.

Also noted here:
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/416902231719258
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/416935321715949

Like Nancy Grace suspects,
IMO & Hoping
JM will bring this in on rebuttal

Not to be mean, but I wouldn't base a theory of the crime on what might be a slip-of-the-tongue from a commentator on a 24/7 rolling news channel. I have no way of knowing if the Facebook timeline cite is based on what may be an erroneous remark that, through repetition, takes on the appearance of fact.

I did some more Googling and it seems all references to the .25 ammo in her mother's possession comes back to what might have been a simple error. Do we have anything from the police, the prosecution, from evidence lists and reports?

 

[Novice Seeker]

Does anyone remember, and find it disrespectful, that JA always referred to Det. Flores as Flores. Never Det. Flores. What a scank!!!!

And the prosecutor as Juan instead of Mr. Martinez. This is her way of showing utter contempt and her sense of superiority over the two of them.

 

[iSleuth]

My understanding is there was no bullets found at the grandfathers house and only found at the Mothers house. A lot of people believe the mom went and got the ammo from the grandfathers house once she found out Jodi was in trouble. Jodi may have even called the mom and told her to go get it out of the grandpas house.

Her Mom had the extra 25 mm ammo??? ( JA probably planted it )I thought that LE found an empty box of 25 mm bullets in their search after the Grandparents reported the burglary.
And also that LE found a full box of 9mm bullets and the 9mm gun as well as knives when her car was packed and she was about to flee aka go on the camping trip.

I personally do not believe her Mom went to clean up the burglary crime scene for Jodi do you? Maybe that is why she is not standing up for her in court. hmmm but I can't see it.

To me that says a lot. Mom and Aunt are every single day in court. Yet, they are not either volunteering nor, being called to defend Jodi- or state that she had been " beaten with spoons" They certainly could but they aren't. Why? because they know..can you imagine what she was like as a child? impossible, evil. I bet there are alot of abuse stories- of JA abusing family members, siblings cousins, always having some longa$$ lying story. Think about how she has behaved to JM? Mom is probably writing her own I am AL's mom except it is I am JA's mother. ( don't you think JA looks like Aunty?)

( mom/long time teacher) Maybe this is a segue but I have thought probably more than is normal about what JA was like to teach and or raise based on things she said. (Not msm reports by her ARt teacher and HS friends about how perfect and great she was.)

She said on the stand/or was it dateline? That she simultaneously dropped out of HS because " she cut ONE AP English Class and her dad found her in a parking lot and ----they got into a fight and-- she dropped out and left home to be with one of those bfs ( lord I cannot recall which one at this moment)

I see this as a total red flag with many lies tied in.
1. She was a Junior-- AP courses are only for seniors. ( AP is for college credits- maybe she was in an honors English course)
2 I highly doubt it was only one cut class- would be cool to see her school files though because somewhere i read that she repeated K or gr. 1. ( why was she anti social then? delayed? hmm)
3. This is why she says she was almost turning 18 but she was a junior- 11th gr.

I bet there is a loooooooong history. despite the fact that everyone always says how bright she is- you can tell she didn't get through Jr English or AP English for that matter- she never uses adjectives and adverbs correctly either! hahaha had to throw that in .

I think her whole HS story is BS-and abuse story by parents is too- my guess- she was out of control her parents were trying to enforce some rules and she is a take no prisoners- scorched earth - cut her nose to spite her face - person. she moved out and dropped out. And the rest is history.

I think this is a perfect example of how/why she murdered TA also. :-(
First trying to force and manipulate her way into his life- seduce him-scam & blackmail him- and when that didn't work and she couldn't have him/marry him- she premeditated his death.

She is a vengeful-she-monster out of a Greek myth- Think Clytemnestra who killed Agamemnon- in his bathtub ( when he came home from the trojan war with another woman - Cassandra)( she had her bf do it). think Medea who sent a poisoned crown and robe to the other woman - and killed her own and Jason's 2 kids to get back at him for leaving her.

 

[Thurston]

Although the detective attempts to get her to talk about Travis being stabbed, I don't believe she ever stated that she saw how he was stabbed, or who actually did it. She skirted the questions. It's worth watching.

Notice how fluid the story is about the day, until the introduction of the "intruders". After that, she takes many pauses in order to make the story up as she goes. Fake crying = stall tactic to think.

I have no knowledge of the correct operating procedures of police interrogations. I do think that Flores did an amazing job with Arias. However, if police interrogation operating procedures allow for the following, I wish that Flores would have stated something such as:

"Jodi, you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. I know that you love Travis, and, that Travis loved you - everyone does. We don't know why two assassins were sent to Travis house. With your help, we can find these assassins. I know that you are afraid because they threatened your family. I do believe that you are smart enough to know that your family is in more danger with these masked bandits free. Do not let your guilt or shame get in the way of being Travis' hero - in our investigation so far we have been able to determine that Travis believed that the pair of you were each others' soulmate. Do you think that the assassins were professional - hired by a wealthy organization. Or do you think that the assassins were hired off the street, perhaps, by a jealous woman scorned because she knew what everyone knew: You were Travis' soulmate. I know you have heard of cases where individuals get jealous, and, hire someone to get rid of someone - I know that you have heard of cases where a person gets in trouble with a powerful organization. From what you have described, it does not sound as though the assassins were from a powerful organization - if so, you would be dead. More likely, this was a pair of non-professionals.

Jodi - this is so important - you have to describe the stabbing.

Again - I do not know if it is legal for for a person conducting a police interrogation to pretend that they believe a person that they know is guilty. I do think since Arias enjoys talking about herself so much - showing off how she is the most intelligent person that has ever lived - that Arias would have talked so much, revealing more.

Flores did have a miracles worth a thousand words: The Images. I'm not sure if Flores was convinced that after seeing the images Arias would confess.

I do not know if Flores would have been able to say something such as:

"Jodi, please do not get upset. The killers left behind images. There is a part of me that believes you were smart enough to hide the camera from the killers knowing that the police would find them.

After this, Flores maybe could have manipulated Arias' need for attention to work against her. With her guard down - with Arias satisfied that she has Flores "wrapped" around broken (not so) little finger - perhaps Arias would have revealed more.

I'm not sure when Arias did admit to murdering Travis Alexander - is Arias' confession on one of the videotaped police interrogations? Even with all of the evidence, had Arias not admitted to murdering Travis Alexander, i do not know where we would be today (even with the recoered still images). Caylee Anthony's mother continual abnegation of telling the truth prevented Caylee Anthony's mother from serving prison time (I'm afraid that it will be sooner rather than later that the announcement Cheney Mason & Caylee Anthony's mother are getting married soon as they want to be married before their twin girls Caylee Baez Cheney and Marie Acquittal Cheney are born).

 

[G&AMom]

Sorry if this has been asked ad nasuem, but I thought I read someone post the other day that there will be no cameras in court on Monday. Is that true? If so, what is happening on Monday?

TIA

There will be court tomorrow. It's the following Monday that it will be dark. April 1st, I believe.

 

[Novice Seeker]

I agree. She fell for and desired for herself the apparent trappings of success and popularity. Which is why I think she is really, really immature and stupid beyond belief.
She'll pay the consequence.

She isn't immature and stupid. Jodi is a sociopath!

 

[Mykeru]

Her Mom had the extra 25 mm ammo??? ( JA probably planted it )I thought that LE found an empty box of 25 mm bullets in their search after the Grandparents reported the burglary.

FYI, a "25 mm bullet" would be 1 inch in diameter. They look like this:

That's going to sting. It would explain why, if it did, grandpa's 25 caliber pistol jammed, eh?

You think maybe the reference is to 9mm ammo left at Jodi's mother's house after her purchase of a 9mm pistol?

 

[perfectvirgo]

Jodi claims they filmed a sex video on her Olympus, but deleted it and it could not be recovered.

Travis had a Sony DSC-H9 (Black). Current price on Amazon is $1,499 but as little as under $200 used.

The current price on Amazon is from a re-seller with remainder stock. When the camera was first released in 2007 it retailed for around $480. Prices for new-old-stock are often artificially high for their collectible/rarity value.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyh9

 

[Novice Seeker]

uh, yeah? Isn't the hypothesis that she wanted to be Mrs. Travis Alexander at all costs because he was so successful and amazing and when she was sure that wouldn't come to her she retaliated? Chortle if you will, but she's right when she says she didn't leave behind a trail of dead boyfriends -- "successful" or otherwise. There was something special about Travis, for sure.

It's so much more than a hypothesis of her being upset about not becoming Mrs. Alexander. Jodi brutally murdered Travis because she is a SOCIOPATH.

 

[LambChop]

This?



I think the talking head might have been tongue tied. I seem to remember the 9mm ammo was at her mother's house. She seems to have conflated .25 cal. and .9mm as ".25 mm".

When I say "cite" I mean an original source document. Not what someone said somewhere.



Not to be mean, but I wouldn't base a theory of the crime on what might be a slip-of-the-tongue from a commentator on a 24/7 rolling news channel. I have no way of knowing if the Facebook timeline cite is based on what may be an erroneous remark that, through repetition, takes on the appearance of fact.

I did some more Googling and it seems all references to the .25 ammo in her mother's possession comes back to what might have been a simple error. Do we have anything from the police, the prosecution, from evidence lists and reports?

The 9mm ammo was found in the trunk of the car rented in July before her arrest. The gun was found later by the rental agency in the engine compartment. The .25mm ammo was found in the mother and father's home which is correct as reported.

 

[Mykeru]

The .25mm ammo was found in the mother and father's home which is correct as reported.

So rather than thinking the reference was to 9mm, are you then claiming they found ".25 mm ammo"? So rather than being an inch in diameter (25 mm), the caliber of ammo they found was roughly the diameter of an extra fine pencil lead? I had to edit my post because people bouncing between .25 caliber, .25 mm, 25 mm while ignoring the likely 9mm (same caliber as the gun Jodi bought) is confusing even me.

I don't know, I think you are wrong somewhere.

I think the likely explanation is this:

• Jodi used a .25 caliber in the murder. She took that gun and the ammunition it had in it without any extra ammo. If she took the ammo, it's probably in the desert too.
  
• She purchased a .9mm and ammo. Some of the 9mm ammo was found at her mothers house.
  
• A talking head conflated .25 caliber and 9mm.
  
• People keep repeating this error because they can make a theory out of it.
  
• People will get annoyed when the obvious is pointed out to them because they like their theories.

We still don't have an authoritative citation that .25 caliber ammunition was found at Jodi Arias' mother's house.

 

[LambChop]

I've been thinking about this for some time now and I want to express it because it saddens me so.
I am very disturbed by the ease with which JA speaks of Travis, how she brought his personality, his words, his feelings into her testimony. She has taken him-every bit of him-for herself. It goes beyond the killing. She is the last to have him. The saying goes "if I can't have him, nobody will". And that is what she has accomplished.
There is nothing that anyone can do to make her stop saying his name. That makes me crazy. Hearing his name come from her foul mouth makes me ill.
Implying that he would care what she says or does is unbelievable. Knowing that she takes pleasure in owning him and keeping him alive while continuing to kill him is unconscionable.
This trial and this ridiculous defense has allowed this to happen. I don't know how defense attorneys sleep at night when they know that their defendant is guilty as charged and they're trying to set her free. THAT is not justice.

So sad. Bless you Alexander family. :rose:

Defense's goal is to keep her from getting the death penalty. They have little expectations she would be set free. Even the psychologist said it was not a "Get out of jail free" card. They just don't want the jury to give her the death penalty. jmo

 

[Novice Seeker]

This guy has testified in many trials. Here is his website, there is no way he is incompetent or dishonest or he wouldn't have been around this long. Could it be he thinks Jodi is guilty?

http://svpexpertwitness.com/default.asp

No, IMO, he is as incompetent and dishonest as they come and several professionals in his field are voicing the same opinion.

 

[LambChop]

So rather than thinking the reference was to 9mm, are you then claiming they found ".25 mm ammo"? So rather than being an inch in diameter (25 mm), the caliber of ammo they found was roughly the diameter of an extra fine pencil lead? I had to edit my post because people bouncing between .25 caliber, .25 mm, 25 mm while ignoring the likely 9mm (same caliber as the gun Jodi bought) is confusing even me.

I don't know, I think you are wrong somewhere.

I think the likely explanation is this:

Jodi used a .25 caliber in the murder. She took that gun and the ammunition it had in it without any extra ammo.

She purchased a .9mm and ammo. Some of the 9mm ammo was found at her mothers house.

A talking head conflated .25 caliber and 9mm.

People keep repeating this error because they can make a theory out of it.

People will get annoyed when the obvious is pointed out to them.

It's in the court record. When police arrived and searched the rental car they found a box of 9mm ammo, a box of books and two knives but no gun in the trunk. Later the rental agency found the gun in the engine compartment. A warrant was issued to search the parents house and a box of .25mm ammo was found at their residence.

JM questions JA about the 9mm gun and how she planned to bring it with her when she went on a camping trip. The mother later asked about whether or not police had found the gun. Police apprehended Jodi as she was getting ready to leave town. Jodi had no time to give the ammo to her mother.

FYI: I have no idea the size other than what was stated. I don't do guns. lol The ammo in the mother's home was for the gun that was stolen.

 

[katiedid2]

We're not the only ones that think she is guilty
http://youtu.be/gzyx0xl0jcQ

 

[Novice Seeker]

The only problem with Caylee is there was no proof she was murdered. Even though Casey is free she is not enjoying freedom, she is still the most hated women in America. We know how and when Travis was murdered. I don't know if the jury will find it premeditated. Until the verdict is in you never know what the jurors are thinking.

Duct tape over the mouth is not a natural cause of death for anyone especially a toddler. A mother not reporting her child as missing nor frantically searching for her child is not normal.

I guess it depends on what one defines being free as. Not living in an 9X9 cell inside a facility that controls what you eat, when you sleep and controls every movement you make each day is "FREE". So, IMO, Casey is enjoying being free.

 

[TexMex]

Yes, Court is scheduled to be in session on Monday:

It starts early on Monday!
Regular schedule Tues/Wed
Quitting early Thursday and no court Monday the 1st after Easter.

 

[kscornfed]

Her Mom had the extra 25 mm ammo??? ( JA probably planted it )I thought that LE found an empty box of 25 mm bullets in their search after the Grandparents reported the burglary.
And also that LE found a full box of 9mm bullets and the 9mm gun as well as knives when her car was packed and she was about to flee aka go on the camping trip.

I personally do not believe her Mom went to clean up the burglary crime scene for Jodi do you? Maybe that is why she is not standing up for her in court. hmmm but I can't see it.

To me that says a lot. Mom and Aunt are every single day in court. Yet, they are not either volunteering nor, being called to defend Jodi- or state that she had been " beaten with spoons" They certainly could but they aren't. Why? because they know..can you imagine what she was like as a child? impossible, evil. I bet there are alot of abuse stories- of JA abusing family members, siblings cousins, always having some longa$$ lying story. Think about how she has behaved to JM? Mom is probably writing her own I am AL's mom except it is I am JA's mother. ( don't you think JA looks like Aunty?)

( mom/long time teacher) Maybe this is a segue but I have thought probably more than is normal about what JA was like to teach and or raise based on things she said. (Not msm reports by her ARt teacher and HS friends about how perfect and great she was.)

She said on the stand/or was it dateline? That she simultaneously dropped out of HS because " she cut ONE AP English Class and her dad found her in a parking lot and ----they got into a fight and-- she dropped out and left home to be with one of those bfs ( lord I cannot recall which one at this moment)

I see this as a total red flag with many lies tied in.
1. She was a Junior-- AP courses are only for seniors. ( AP is for college credits- maybe she was in an honors English course)
2 I highly doubt it was only one cut class- would be cool to see her school files though because somewhere i read that she repeated K or gr. 1. ( why was she anti social then? delayed? hmm)
3. This is why she says she was almost turning 18 but she was a junior- 11th gr.

I bet there is a loooooooong history. despite the fact that everyone always says how bright she is- you can tell she didn't get through Jr English or AP English for that matter- she never uses adjectives and adverbs correctly either! hahaha had to throw that in .

I think her whole HS story is BS-and abuse story by parents is too- my guess- she was out of control her parents were trying to enforce some rules and she is a take no prisoners- scorched earth - cut her nose to spite her face - person. she moved out and dropped out. And the rest is history.

I think this is a perfect example of how/why she murdered TA also. :-(
First trying to force and manipulate her way into his life- seduce him-scam & blackmail him- and when that didn't work and she couldn't have him/marry him- she premeditated his death.

She is a vengeful-she-monster out of a Greek myth- Think Clytemnestra who killed Agamemnon- in his bathtub ( when he came home from the trojan war with another woman - Cassandra)( she had her bf do it). think Medea who sent a poisoned crown and robe to the other woman - and killed her own and Jason's 2 kids to get back at him for leaving her.

i don't think relatives are called during the guilt phase of a trial. they may be called during the penalty phase. i don't think 'character' witnesses are ever used in this part. they aren't going to say anything that hurts her, and i'm sure will do their best to help her. i'm sure they know plenty about her but i doubt seriously they'll ever testify to it.