long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

[Allyne Smithe]

Not true in this one. Even defense attorneys have said, with her own testimony, she has pretty much give the jury permission to convict her of at least 2nd degree murder.

Yes indeed. And she offered to plea guilty to 2nd degree murder, on the condition she could be out in 20 years, with credit for time served. lease:

The prosecution turned down her offer. :jail:

ETA: Detective Flores told Jodi that the root bulb at the end of a strand of hair dries up and falls off in a few days so she couldn't use being in the house the previous month as a credible excuse.

 

[MeeBee]

The hair could possibly be explained (although unlikely in such a clean home as Travis had) as having been there from a prior visit, somehow floating around the house. However her palm print in his blood on the wall would be unexplained. It, along with the recovered camera memory card, sealed it and put here there at the crime scene.

MOO

That's true about the hair, but the detective told her that the follicle would be gone if it was from over a month ago. But I agree, if that was all they'd had, a jury might have reasonable doubt about her being there that day. Good thing she got that owie and left the camera.

 

[Linda From New York]

I thought this was interesting too.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-essays/

 

[Trainfan34]

OK but I think you miss my point. The only evidence would have been the print, blood and hair. Blood and hair are deniable since she would have shed hair and DNA in the house in the past.

Yes, TA's friends were fingering her even in that first 911 call, but it was the stupid photos she left behind that rendered the rest superfluous.

Her print was in both her blood and Travis'.. no way to explain that away..

 

[websurfer]

From the timeline: trial day 6
indicates that the sexy nudie photos were taken earlier in the day.
So? means that , possibly they had the sex and pic session,
then he told her to leave now.
That made her really angry,so she carried out her plan to kill him.
I still think he crawled towards the shower[ after running from it] while being stabbed in the back.
If he was crawling a lot of the stabs were done that way, she did not drag his dead body there...
she told him she would stop stabbing him if he went back to the shower for more pictures.
I know it sounds insane , but her behavior indicates that anyway. She laughs because people are saying she dragged him into the shower, she thinks that is funny because he crawled back in there.
Blood spatter /splatter? anyway, if HLN would demonstrate the scenario of a man his size being stabbed while crawling on his hands and knees would
show this?
Just am not getting how she could drag him back there into the shower, without blood drag marks?
If he were bleeding out I would think his body being dragged through blood would show up as some sort of drag marks?
Obviously, I am not believing the dragged story...:twocents:

 

[Linda From New York]

And this:

Tanya Young Williams. DV advocate. She has been on some of "the shows":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tanya-young-williams/survey_b_2912844.html

**I hope no one minds me posting things I thought were interesting pertaining to the trial!

 

[donadenese]

I think Jodi must have used that name somewhere, for that to be tagged to him. My son's fiancé [ for real fiancé--not a stalker] used her first name and his last to add her car on his ins policy and they did that to combine their cell phones to save $. So now a people finder she is listed with him as a relative.

I wonder if Jodi used that name to sign up with something or make travel reservations or ?

Speaking of names...it's 'Victor Arias', Jodi's foreign exchange hook-up that baffles me. I suppose it could be real, on the other hand, where does she come up with this stuff?

 

[G&AMom]

Detective Flores specifically asked her which photos she wanted to see, the ones before he was murdered, or the ones after.

The ones after, she replied. He said no.

The previous day he did show her the photo of her in pigtails, as she exclaimed "pigtails!" "Are you sure it's me?" She also asked whether it could have been taken a different day. That's the only photo he shows her in the interrogation footage that has been released.

She changed her story after he asked her if someone else was involved, whether she was protecting someone else.

In Detective Flores' investigation report of 8-27-08, he related that when Jodi came to Mesa for Travis' memorial service he asked her to stop by to talk the next day and said a few others were also going to give DNA swabs the same day. He asked her to do the same. She came gave a DNA sample but refused to talk to him, saying a friend told her word was going around that she was involved, so she thought she should have an attorney before giving an official statement.

Later on, she called and apologized and said she would be willing to talk to him and they set up an official phone interview. That interview, and two earlier phone interviews, can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxck9IiFQ

Hey, Allyne, I don't think we're disagreeing here.

Look at it this way: there are three sets of photos.

Set 1: the photos JA took while TA was alive

Set 2: the "inadvertent" photos taken while she was dragging him, etc. (I'm assuming these would qualify as "after the murder").

Set 3: the photos taken by LE after Travis' body was found 5 days later. These are what I would consider "crime scene photos"

I think she wanted to see Set 2. That's all I'm saying.

 

[G&AMom]

Did JW actually read out "my wrath"??? Here's the text, and it shows "the wrath":

http://s1352.photobucket.com/user/tabularasa6/media/169_zps94314fde.jpg.html?sort=3&o=111

Yes, she did, although she immediately corrected herself.

 

[MeeBee]

From the timeline: trial day 6
indicates that the sexy nudie photos were taken earlier in the day.
So? means that , possibly they had the sex and pic session,
then he told her to leave now.
That made her really angry,so she carried out her plan to kill him.
I still think he crawled towards the shower while being stabbed in the back.
If he was crawling a lot of the stabs were done that way, she did not drag his dead body there...
she told him she would stop stabbing him if he went back to the shower for more pictures.
I know it sounds insane , but her behavior indicates that anyway. She laughs because people are saying she dragged him into the shower, she thinks that is funny because he crawled back in there.
Blood spatter /splatter? anyway, if HLN would demonstrate the scenario of a man his size being stabbed while crawling on his hands and knees would
show this?
Just am not getting how she could drag him back there into the shower, without blood drag marks?
If he were bleeding out I would think his body being dragged through blood would show up as some sort of drag marks?
Obviously, I am not believing the dragged story...:twocents:

I think you are ignoring the photo and forensic evidence, though. The biggest pile of blood is at the threshold of the carpet leading to the bedroom, indicating he spent the most time here and that the most significant injuries occurred there (throat slash,which instantly killed him). We see in the photo he is lying on his back already meaning he was incapacitated. He was not crawling after that. Remember, Jodi tried to clean the crime scene, meaning the most easily cleanable surfaces, which is the tile.

HLN already demonstrated that a woman Jodi's size could easily drag a man Travis' size from that hall to the shower, and there wasn't even any water or blood in that scenario. She admits to being the one who must have dragged him.

She dragged him, and cleaned him.

 

[Pink Panther]

That's what I think too. The first accidental pic was taken about 3' off ground and camera right side up. Maybe a girlish hoodie like this

View attachment 31078

When she bends down to slit his throat at the end of the hall the camera falls out and takes the famous pic of her standing over her victim

I think this is quite possibly what happened. It's also what would allow her told have the knife, gun and camera on/near her throughout.

moo

 

[Tuba]

From the new information about the Cancun trip that has surfaced, purportedly there are tickets reflecting change of companion made in April, 2008. If these tickets do exist, they would be more probative than prejudicial. We know they would be relevant because Martinez has alleged Arias was jealous because another woman was going to accompany Travis. The tickets go to the issue of expectations of Arias. She had relied on the plan to take her. Now she was displaced. We were told she was more depressed than any time in her life when she upped stakes and left for Yreka in April. She has provided other reasons for her despair. I'm going to search our threads on that topic but I remember some of her reasons and they may be hollow.

 

[websurfer]

Lol...must be lifetime movie day....I'm watching as well!!

Weird similarities ....fog, battered woman syndrome, Ptsd....

Still one of the best prosecution exhibits *ever* Kelly S. Rocked it :great:

she may have read the book. the movie is fairly new.Too new for her to mock FOG statement.:twocents:

 

[westies4ever]

Why didn't Jodi take offense and dump Travis after the phone call where Travis' friend basically caller her a and Travis relayed that to Jodi???

I just can't understand why she wouldn't have been insulted and broke it off with him.

So many WEIRD things about her just make you really wonder.

 

[G&AMom]

Without knowing which objections you are referring to, it's hard to specifically comment...but, I think the judge has been pretty fair on her rulings. Can you offer a couple of examples of objections the defense made that you thought were warranted, but overruled?

JRS, it would appear that the DT has requested that all objections by discussed at the bench, they don't want "speaking objections" where it's all discussed in front of the jury. Is there some caselaw that says they can ask for this?

 

[websurfer]

I think you are ignoring the photo and forensic evidence, though. The biggest pile of blood is at the threshold of the carpet leading to the bedroom, indicating he spent the most time here and that the most significant injuries occurred there (throat slash,which instantly killed him). We see in the photo he is lying on his back already meaning he was incapacitated. He was not crawling after that. Remember, Jodi tried to clean the crime scene, meaning the most easily cleanable surfaces, which is the tile.

HLN already demonstrated that a woman Jodi's size could easily drag a man Travis' size from that hall to the shower, and there wasn't even any water or blood in that scenario. She admits to being the one who must have dragged him.

She dragged him, and cleaned him.

I say to me it seems impossible, not that it was/is.Anything is possible...
I am watching on YT the Day6 of the trial it to me is the most informative so far. The rest is just draggin on and on and on...

 

[MeeBee]

I say to me it seems impossible, not that it was/is.Anything is possible...

I don't think a man trying to escape death would crawl back to the place where the attack began. He would crawl away until he couldn't crawl anymore.

I doubt that happened.

 

[VALee]

RS testimony feedback:

Did anyone else notice that RS kept referring to his omission of some of the PTSD criteria in his report as 'typos?' Bah, that is not a typo, and for fun, compared it to wiki's definition, that states:

A typographical error (often shortened to typo) is a mistake made in the typing process (such as spelling) of printed material. Historically, this referred to mistakes in manual type-setting (typography). The term includes errors due to mechanical failure or slips of the hand or finger, but excludes errors of ignorance, such as spelling errors.

BBM

Source: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographical_error"]Typographical error - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Truth Detector]

From the timeline: trial day 6
indicates that the sexy nudie photos were taken earlier in the day.
So? means that , possibly they had the sex and pic session,
then he told her to leave now.
That made her really angry,so she carried out her plan to kill him.
I still think he crawled towards the shower[ after running from it] while being stabbed in the back.
If he was crawling a lot of the stabs were done that way, she did not drag his dead body there...
she told him she would stop stabbing him if he went back to the shower for more pictures.
I know it sounds insane , but her behavior indicates that anyway. She laughs because people are saying she dragged him into the shower, she thinks that is funny because he crawled back in there.
Blood spatter /splatter? anyway, if HLN would demonstrate the scenario of a man his size being stabbed while crawling on his hands and knees would
show this?
Just am not getting how she could drag him back there into the shower, without blood drag marks?
If he were bleeding out I would think his body being dragged through blood would show up as some sort of drag marks?
Obviously, I am not believing the dragged story...:twocents:

Yet I can't see it any other way.

His blood loss at the end of the hallway on the carpet, away from the bathroom, was too significant IMO to contemplate him ever returning to the bathroom under his own power.

She had planned this for weeks.

The nerve of Travis -- not dying peacefully in that shower for her.

Well, she showed him.

She carved up and dragged his slaughtered, butchered, body right on back to the bathroom and wedged it in that shower anyway.

Then she took the plastic tumbler and towel and tried to wash that hallway tile as best she could.

"Out, damned spot! Out, I say!" ~ William Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 1

Remember the water wicking up the cardboard box and the bloody baseboards?

She's come undone...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BkmzexdIGs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BkmzexdIGs[/ame]

 

[panthera]

That's true about the hair, but the detective told her that the follicle would be gone if it was from over a month ago. But I agree, if that was all they'd had, a jury might have reasonable doubt about her being there that day. Good thing she got that owie and left the camera.

Absolutely. If all the State had was the one hair, she could continue to deny even being there and call forensic testing into question. However, with the hair, palm print, and camera she had no choice but to admit she was at his house and present during the commission of the crime.