Looky what beesy found!!

[beesy]

I think she bled so much that she got dizzy, then she thought she was dying. I think that is why she kept asking for an ambulance. She knew the children would be dead...she wanted it for herself.

Why was she trying to clean up her footprints if her original plan was to be a victim as well? Did something make her think she had to become a victim? Or was it always her plan to kill the boys and cut herself? I think something went wrong in there. She was injured somehow during the attacks on the boys and knew she had to do something drastic. What happened though? Could Darin have accidently cut her arm trying to pull her off of Damon? Was it cut during the attack on Damon when he was crawling and pulling himself up on the sofa? If she grabbed at him to pull him back down, maybe she put the knife in her left hand and used her stronger right hand to pull him back? Then her right arm would be exposed to the knife right? For some reason that stab on her arm doesn't seem staged. :twocents:

 

[Goody]

Changed clothes, or smeared Devons blood over all spatters doing cpr, got more from Damon, DARLIE AS WELL but not as much as the boys should have been. How much aid does he say he gave Darlie she is an adult and claims she wrapped herself and gave help to Darin with the boys. These repeated trips for towels would explain why so many drops from her arm. The blood from her neck wound would flow down her body and shirt front not her arm. I also have a question to ask ,have you seen the picture of the living room, is the black mobile phone on the floor the one Darlie used. The room can be viewed at the gallery at the justicefor darlie site. I have some more questions to ask too but I'm looking at it differently now and I am kickin around an idea or two but want more evidence. I not disputing the cast off or aspirations but obviously you have followed this a lot longer so I feel you can cut thru a lot of the spin.

I don't know if that is the one she used but they had a portable phone. It never made any sense for her to stay in the kitchen while talking to 911. She could have gone anywhere and supposedly did bring Darin towels, although Det Frosch did say she said she threw a whole armful of towels into the family room rather than carry them one by one when they visited the house before her arrest. It is in the Flesh 'n Blood book. By trial they had the wetting towels story down pretty well, but it is not convincing .

 

[Texana]

I don't think there was a plan. Do you really believe she thought and plotted the brutal murder of her two children?

More or less (less being a well thought out plan, in terms of one conceived and analyzed for days.) yes, she did.

 

[Goody]

More or less (less being a well thought out plan, in terms of one conceived and analyzed for days.) yes, she did.

I agree with you. I keep an open mind for evidence that might show she just lost it, but I think it was most likely planned. Not well, mind you. Maybe as well as Darlie could plan though. I think both she and Darin relied on their charm and wit to win people over, and must have been horrified and shocked when it didn't work.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

I agree with you. I keep an open mind for evidence that might show she just lost it, but I think it was most likely planned. Not well, mind you. Maybe as well as Darlie could plan though. I think both she and Darin relied on their charm and wit to win people over, and must have been horrified and shocked when it didn't work.

Goody, can I ask a question?

If she planned this attack and was hoping people would buy an innocent plea by her charms- why the mess? I mean, for someone who cherished her belongings and dolled up her house the way she did, she sure made a mess of it ........I mean with all that blood every where. Do you think she and Darin planned to move if they got away with it? Do you think she just thought she could redecorate over the blood everywhere?

Just wondering.........seems to me that this was a woman really pissed off at those kids........and just lost it! No?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm not sure what you mean by having to redecorate? The only thing that would need to be done is new carpeting. The only other thing that was damaged was a wine glass.

 

[robinparten]

Goody, can I ask a question?

If she planned this attack and was hoping people would buy an innocent plea by her charms- why the mess? I mean, for someone who cherished her belongings and dolled up her house the way she did, she sure made a mess of it ........I mean with all that blood every where. Do you think she and Darin planned to move if they got away with it? Do you think she just thought she could redecorate over the blood everywhere?

Just wondering.........seems to me that this was a woman really pissed off at those kids........and just lost it! No?

I saw Forensic Files yesterday and they covered this case. It was very interesting. There was blood everywhere, but as Jeana pointed out, it would have been a matter of simply recarpeting, all other surfaces could have been cleaned. I think Darlie, not knowing anything about the science of blood splatter and what they can discern from it, just assumed the bigger the mess, the more heinous the crime scene, the more believable her story would be. I have to say, I was amazed watching the story, at what they can tell from the blood, I knew they could figure out a lot, but it was truly amazing how they were able to punch holes in her story just based on the blood.

And Darlie's husband - I was totally shocked by him. After the attack, the first thing he said to the detective on scene was something to the effect of "isn't Darlie something? a good looking woman like that, with a pair of 38DDs, no wonder someone broke in." This from a man whose sons had just been murdered and at that point, he alledgedly didn't even know if Darlie would live. What a moron.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

I saw Forensic Files yesterday and they covered this case. It was very interesting. There was blood everywhere, but as Jeana pointed out, it would have been a matter of simply recarpeting, all other surfaces could have been cleaned. I think Darlie, not knowing anything about the science of blood splatter and what they can discern from it, just assumed the bigger the mess, the more heinous the crime scene, the more believable her story would be. I have to say, I was amazed watching the story, at what they can tell from the blood, I knew they could figure out a lot, but it was truly amazing how they were able to punch holes in her story just based on the blood.

And Darlie's husband - I was totally shocked by him. After the attack, the first thing he said to the detective on scene was something to the effect of "isn't Darlie something? a good looking woman like that, with a pair of 38DDs, no wonder someone broke in." This from a man whose sons had just been murdered and at that point, he alledgedly didn't even know if Darlie would live. What a moron.

Oh damn. Wish I could've seen that show. I'm trying to learn what I can about this case but am falling way behind.

He actually said that? We know the naysayers don't like us to judge a book by it's cover, but come on.......a 'normal' person would have been so distraught by that carnage that any thought other than fear, trauma, or overwhelming grief is completely out of the question. To remember your wife's double d's is just ''. What about 'my freakin' kids are hurt and my wife's throat is cut'...........HELP! Ya know? (where's that shakey head icon when you need it)?...

I guess if they painted and cleaned the blood and just replaced carpet- that would make sense but who could live in a house where your kids were slaughtered.......and who would buy a house where kids were slaughtered. Bad karma!

Anyway, I looked at the pictures and thought- Wow, this woman decorated meticulously (although very tacky) and it was clear by the looks of things that she liked 'stuff'.
It makes sense what you say though. The more dramatic the scene, the more believable it would be that no mother/father could do this.

 

[Goody]

Goody, can I ask a question?

If she planned this attack and was hoping people would buy an innocent plea by her charms- why the mess? I mean, for someone who cherished her belongings and dolled up her house the way she did, she sure made a mess of it ........I mean with all that blood every where. Do you think she and Darin planned to move if they got away with it? Do you think she just thought she could redecorate over the blood everywhere?

Just wondering.........seems to me that this was a woman really pissed off at those kids........and just lost it! No?

As the others have said, there was not that big of a mess. The carpet was ruined but everything else was easily cleaned up. The furniture was vinyl and had no defects from a knife, the coffee table was not broken or damaged. None of the knickknacks and other things on counters and shelves were broken. Only one wine glass was broken in the kitchen. Even the walls could be washed and repainted. The greatest damage was done by investigators as they removed pieces of wall and carpet and the kitchen sink, drains, etc. Also the blood was drops for the most part except for where the kids laid. It pooled there but nowhere else. So looking at it in the photos, it looks more widespread than it actually was. Even her bloody footprints were limited to certain areas . It has always puzzled me why none were found on the carpet. I don't think she was in the family room after her neck was cut.

 

[Goody]

I guess if they painted and cleaned the blood and just replaced carpet- that would make sense but who could live in a house where your kids were slaughtered.......and who would buy a house where kids were slaughtered. Bad karma!

So far two people have bought it. The most recent sale was a couple of months ago. I guess everyone is not superstitious. I couldn't though. If I did, I know those kids would be visiting me regularly. No way to escape it. Ghosts like Goody.

Anyway, I looked at the pictures and thought- Wow, this woman decorated meticulously (although very tacky) and it was clear by the looks of things that she liked 'stuff'.
It makes sense what you say though. The more dramatic the scene, the more believable it would be that no mother/father could do this.

If that is what she thought, she missed the mark quite a bit since she is sitting on death row. However, there might me something to it if they wanted to shock people the way we are shocked by all the gore in horror films. That could be a tiny bit of support for the theory that they planned this with the hopes of cashing in on book deals/movie rights, etc.

 

[robinparten]

Oh damn. Wish I could've seen that show. I'm trying to learn what I can about this case but am falling way behind.

He actually said that? We know the naysayers don't like us to judge a book by it's cover, but come on.......a 'normal' person would have been so distraught by that carnage that any thought other than fear, trauma, or overwhelming grief is completely out of the question. To remember your wife's double d's is just ''. What about 'my freakin' kids are hurt and my wife's throat is cut'...........HELP! Ya know? (where's that shakey head icon when you need it)?...

I guess if they painted and cleaned the blood and just replaced carpet- that would make sense but who could live in a house where your kids were slaughtered.......and who would buy a house where kids were slaughtered. Bad karma!

Anyway, I looked at the pictures and thought- Wow, this woman decorated meticulously (although very tacky) and it was clear by the looks of things that she liked 'stuff'.
It makes sense what you say though. The more dramatic the scene, the more believable it would be that no mother/father could do this.

Google Forensic Files and see if they tell you when episodes will air, I bet they do. Then TIVO it and watch at your convenience! (I love TIVO!) Anyway, yes, Darin actually said that, the interviewed the first detective on the scene and I heard it from his lips. They also showed footage from the birthday party Darlie and Darin threw for the murdered boys at their gravesite a mere week after their murder. Darlie was shooting silly string everywhere and smiling and whooping it up. She said her sons would want her to be happy. I find that comment very telling. Everything is all about HER.

 

[cami]

Oh, duh. That makes sense. Thanks. I'm just now reading Bevel's testimony.

I have wondered at times if Darin cut her throat so that Darlie's blood would supposidly cover up the kid's blood on her shirt. I mean where else would you have cut if you wanted to drip blood on your shirt. I know this is out there, just one of those ideas that has popped into my head.

No, it's not out there, I too believed that she cut her throat to cover up the boys's blood on her nightshirt. Not only the back of it but the cast-off on the right front shoulder.

 

[cami]

I am a fence jumper. If I read alot of Beesy's posts, I believe 100 percent she's guilty. Then I start thinking again and maybe.....?? The one thing that bothers me is I know it is possible for an intruder to come in and kill a child and leave the adult alive (see a thread I started in this forum "Can I ask a question") Although it doesn't happen often and more often then not a parent is responsible. Now beesy and goody and mary456 are going to get me, but I might say I am a fence jumper

but can they come in, murder the children and not leave one shred of evidence they were there? Darlie certainly couldn't murder the children and not leave evidence that she did it. All of it points to her as the killer.

No one is going to get you, you are entitled to your opinion. :blowkiss:

Goody and I started this from a place of innocence, well I did anyway and I think Goods did, but once we learned the evidence, the blood evidence, it's very hard to deny that Darlie committed this terrible crime.

 

[cami]

I think she bled so much that she got dizzy, then she thought she was dying. I think that is why she kept asking for an ambulance. She knew the children would be dead...she wanted it for herself.

Yep, that's why I believe the 911 call was placed when it was, for her, not the boys.

 

[cami]

Oh damn. Wish I could've seen that show. I'm trying to learn what I can about this case but am falling way behind.

He actually said that? We know the naysayers don't like us to judge a book by it's cover, but come on.......a 'normal' person would have been so distraught by that carnage that any thought other than fear, trauma, or overwhelming grief is completely out of the question. To remember your wife's double d's is just ''. What about 'my freakin' kids are hurt and my wife's throat is cut'...........HELP! Ya know? (where's that shakey head icon when you need it)?...

I guess if they painted and cleaned the blood and just replaced carpet- that would make sense but who could live in a house where your kids were slaughtered.......and who would buy a house where kids were slaughtered. Bad karma!

Anyway, I looked at the pictures and thought- Wow, this woman decorated meticulously (although very tacky) and it was clear by the looks of things that she liked 'stuff'.
It makes sense what you say though. The more dramatic the scene, the more believable it would be that no mother/father could do this.

did you notice SQV, that none of her "delicates" were smashed or broken, especially on that table beside/behind the couch. Hard to believe she engaged in a fight for her life with an intruder and nothing got knocked over/broken.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

did you notice SQV, that none of her "delicates" were smashed or broken, especially on that table beside/behind the couch. Hard to believe she engaged in a fight for her life with an intruder and nothing got knocked over/broken.

Yes, I noticed. I've seen crimescenes before and I've never seen one like this, that's for sure.
I noticed the vacuum cleaner tipped over and the plastic chair outside, as though to give the air that the guy tripped over a plastic chair, but he sure managed to manuver about in a house he was not familar with and not disturb a single thing other than to dump a vacuum?? uh huh~

Darin probably messed that area up around the back door as an effort to show someone was there and broke in..........he was outside so he may have been staging at that time. OR that disarray was from the kids playing and it was always like that.

Those who argue that the light from the moon helped guide this 'man' through the crowed garage can't explain how this guy missed a boat load of jewels sitting out in plain view and other valuables that could be sold.
Why was this intruder in there????? To what? Kill two kids and attack some sleeping mother? Did he decide after all that drama he no longer wanted to rob them?

I want to learn more about the blood.............can you direct me? Playing devils advocate for just a sec, could the cast off on her shirt be from touching the boys and throwing her hands up.............Stay with me for a minute. My father got a wound from his scooter hitting a tree a couple of weeks ago....I was there helping with some yard stuff and he came swinging around the corner and ripped his arm right open- I was in a panic to stop the bleeding- which was really spewing out. I got blood everywhere on me. Even on the the top of my shoulder.
Could the blood have been from something like that? or was there a pattern of 'spray' that would be inconsistant of a hand swinging around in a panic mode to try to stop bleeding rather than inflicting bleeding...

Point me in a direction to read on this, okay?

 

[deanws]

Yep, that's why I believe the 911 call was placed when it was, for her, not the boys.

Yes, that is what I think Cami. This woman is a real piece of work isn't she?