Los Angeles City Council Bans N-Word

  • #61
The only difference is that, in the case of the LA City Council, the resolution they approved on Friday, "symbolically bans the n-word in Los Angeles, in the latest effort to stop people from using the epithet in any context," and that's the only way it makes any sense at all to me.

I agree with you that people often reveal their true character in the words they choose to use, which is why people often choose not to hang with those who speak in a manner that offends them.

Either the word is "burning" and "hurtful" or it isn't.
Either it's "hate speech" or it isn't.
For example:

If X were somewhere that X heard an unknown and unseen person in the next room say the n-word, either that word would "burn and hurt" X or it would not.

But if X has to wait to see the skin color of the person in the next room before becoming "burned and hurt," then it's X's own hate that makes the difference, not the n-word, itself.

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I feel like no word is hurtful in and of itself until context is introduced (both the context of the speaker and the listener). All words are neutral until context is introduced. A word can be burning and hurtful in one context and not burning or hurtful in another context.

I can't think of a single word that I would ban.
 
  • #62
LOL, Peter! :D

As I mentioned in another thread, my ex (white) boyfriend had a good black friend and he would sometimes call him N affectionately. My ex wasn't racist at all and both he and his friend were comfortable with that word between them.

As I've said - I am more a context person when it comes to any word. There is no word I find offensive just because it exists, but there are many words I find offensive in a variety of contexts!

I think that might be exactly the point that the defenders of Dog the Bounty Hunter were making.

Even his pastor and hairdresser (both of whom are black) said Dog is not a racist.
 
  • #63
I feel like no word is hurtful in and of itself until context is introduced (both the context of the speaker and the listener). All words are neutral until context is introduced. A word can be burning and hurtful in one context and not burning or hurtful in another context.

I can't think of a single word that I would ban.

That would mean the context is in the mind of the perceiver (as I showed in the previous example) not in the word itself and not in the speaker's skin color.

To believe otherwise is to believe in judging a person by the color of her skin rather than by the strength of her character.

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  • #64
What do you think the ban will accomplish?...
As I see it - the ban is symbolic. Which doesn't make it empty - the N word is symbolic too. Symbols have meaning, and can have a great deal of strength.

What I think it could accomplish, is to reduce the likelyhood someone will use that word in a way they think artistic, clever, edgy, etc. - it encourages the view that this is not an acceptable term, no matter what the excuse. I'm sure it won't fix everything, 100%, but if it cuts the odds, makes a few fewer occasions, then that environment encourages others to cut their use of that word, and so on. Might help, might not, but no reason not to try.
 
  • #65
I think that might be exactly the point that the defenders of Dog the Bounty Hunter were making.

Even his pastor and hairdresser (both of whom are black) said Dog is not a racist.

I didn't follow the Dog thread very closely, but I did pop in once in response to the question "Can a white person ever say the N word and not be racist?" and I believe the answer to that question is yes.

But I don't know Dog or Dog's intentions or Dog's spritual status when it comes to racism. I do know that Dog is learning what most of us know - that it's very very dangerous and loaded for someone who's not black to use the N word.
 
  • #66
As I see it - the ban is symbolic. Which doesn't make it empty - the N word is symbolic too. Symbols have meaning, and can have a great deal of strength.

What I think it could accomplish, is to reduce the likelyhood someone will use that word in a way they think artistic, clever, edgy, etc. - it encourages the view that this is not an acceptable term, no matter what the excuse. I'm sure it won't fix everything, 100%, but if it cuts the odds, makes a few fewer occasions, then that environment encourages others to cut their use of that word, and so on. Might help, might not, but no reason not to try.

Yet it is an acceptable term in some situations and most people know this. That's what makes the symbolic ban meaningless.
 
  • #67
That would mean the context is in the mind of the perceiver (as I showed in the previous example) not in the word itself and not in the speaker's skin color.

To believe otherwise is to believe in judging a person by the color of her skin rather than by the strength of her character.

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I agree 100%.
 
  • #68
The thought police are at it again...they don't think society can adequately root out and shun people using offensive language? Geesh! Very scary!

I'll put together a list and send it their way of other words they need to include....

You're absolutely right on, Idaho! :)

The Thought Police in 1984 based their Tyranny first on Language (a language known as "newspeak"). When the protagonist was finally arrested, he ended up being tortured, not because he refused to repeat (as he had promised himself he would never) "Two plus two is five."

The reason his torturers (in the "Ministry of Love") got to work breaking him was because they said that he did not BELIEVE that the statement "two plus two is five" was true, even after he finally broke and said it. Only when they were satisfied that he BELIEVED it did they stop torturing him.

Yes. It's getting close to 1984 all over again.
Join the Borg Collective ..... Resistance is futile!
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  • #69
I didn't follow the Dog thread very closely, but I did pop in once in response to the question "Can a white person ever say the N word and not be racist?" and I believe the answer to that question is yes.

But I don't know Dog or Dog's intentions or Dog's spritual status when it comes to racism. I do know that Dog is learning what most of us know - that it's very very dangerous and loaded for someone who's not black to use the N word.

I hear what you're saying. I also believe that what you say is true.

But, as an out-of-state family (including a 5-year-old girl) found out a couple years ago, it's very very dangerous and loaded for someone who's white to get lost while driving in California and turn into a cul-de-sac in a non-white neighborhood.

We probably agree that the status quo should not remain so. :blowkiss:
 
  • #70
Yet it is an acceptable term in some situations and most people know this. That's what makes the symbolic ban meaningless.
I disagree - and I know I'm not alone in that. While the N word from a black person is different than from a white person, and context matters a ton - I don't believe in having rules to differentiate that way. If you want to say that it's a slur from one person, then it's a slur from everyone. Because hearing it used encourages others to use it, gives racists an excuse to use it. Having a special vocabulary for every race, sex, and sexual orientation seems divisive to me.

I wouldn't support banning a word, impeding free speech, but a symbolic ban - sounds good to me.
 
  • #71
Well now, if we are going to ban the N word, then we also need to ban "white trash.. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬... cu*t..🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 and a few others that I can't think of at this moment. I hate name calling but I don't think words should be banned like that. :twocents:

:clap::clap::clap: Yes, I agree~
 
  • #72
SOOOOOOOOO.. let me get this straight. Are they arresting people, putting them in jail? Or do you just get a fine for just saying 'the N word'....??? OR would you get tasered and possibly shot by police, especally if the policeman is black? What universe did I just wake up in....???

And the most important question..... SO THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO ARREST WHITE PEOPLE WHO SAY IT, THEN,, RIGHT....??? SINCE BLACKS ARE APPARENTLY ALLOWED TO SAY IT....!

SHEESH..... WHAT A BUNCH OF UTTER BULLSH*T!
 
  • #73
No reason to freak out. The resolution doesn't distinguish between black or white saying the N word. Nor is anyone being arrested nor fined. It's just symbolic. National Postal-Workers day doesn't mean you have to work in the post office for a day, and this doesn't mean you'll be tasered and tackled if you say the N word in public.
 
  • #74
I disagree - and I know I'm not alone in that. While the N word from a black person is different than from a white person, and context matters a ton - I don't believe in having rules to differentiate that way. If you want to say that it's a slur from one person, then it's a slur from everyone. Because hearing it used encourages others to use it, gives racists an excuse to use it. Having a special vocabulary for every race, sex, and sexual orientation seems divisive to me.

I wouldn't support banning a word, impeding free speech, but a symbolic ban - sounds good to me.

Do you think it acceptable for Harper Lee to use the word in To Kill A Mockingbird? A very important part of that story occurred when Scout asked Atticus what a "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-lover" was. I don't think it would have had the same impact or meaning had Lee written Scout as asking her father what a "Negro-lover" was.

Meaningful art is one category where the word is acceptable and where the word can be used for good in the world and to teach us more about the complicated issue of racism.

IMHO, all races have their own special language and it has been so since Babel. I don't see that changing any time soon!
 
  • #75
I hear what you're saying. I also believe that what you say is true.

But, as an out-of-state family (including a 5-year-old girl) found out a couple years ago, it's very very dangerous and loaded for someone who's white to get lost while driving in California and turn into a cul-de-sac in a non-white neighborhood.

We probably agree that the status quo should not remain so. :blowkiss:

Absolutely! :blowkiss: We've got a long way to go in developing love and respect among all humans for each other, but I believe we are making strides. What I don't believe is that "bans" like this are any part of the real strides we are making! I am a huge believer in symbolism which is meaningful, but I think this is just silly.
 
  • #76
I think any derogatory word used exclusively for the purpose of hurting another,is wrong.Period.
 
  • #77
I agree. No words should be banned. When something like this starts....who draws the line? I hate nasty words..but we are opening ourselves up for censorship big time. :doh:

Hi deandaniells :blowkiss: I love the pic of your grand daughter .. she is a cutie pie..

I don't understand why that word would get banned and others don't. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, white trash, 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, pig, cow etc. are ALL name calling and degrading to another no matter what race one is.
 
  • #78
Hi deandaniells :blowkiss: I love the pic of your grand daughter .. she is a cutie pie..

I don't understand why that word would get banned and others don't. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, white trash, 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, pig, cow etc. are ALL name calling and degrading to another no matter what race one is.
Thank you! :) And I agree with your post. All are hurtful.
 
  • #79
I don't want to open the link because my computer freezes quite often when I open some links on WS. Has anyone mentioned what the fine will be for using the N word?
 
  • #80
I don't want to open the link because my computer freezes quite often when I open some links on WS. Has anyone mentioned what the fine will be for using the N word?

This is all "symbolic," txsvicki. It's not a law - there's no fine attached to it.
 

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