Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

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  • #481
http://www.psychweekly.com/aspx/article/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=201

Psychiatrists SHOULD be extremely careful about prescribing anti psychotics, for their own protection as much as anything else.

I have seen malpractice cases where there was improper diagnosis, such as someone who in retrospect had clear bipolar disorder and was treated for schizophrenia. These patients sued because they would not have developed tardive dyskinesia had the diagnosis been correct. However, I have not encountered any psychiatric case where someone was treated due to malingering. I suppose it could happen in a jail; for example, where someone wants to get on social security disability. The prisoner might malinger, be prescribed antipsychotics, and develop a permanent side effect which could make the doctor liable. The standard is whether a reasonable psychiatrist in similar circumstances would also prescribe antipsychotics. There would be a basis for a malpractice suit only if the prescription was made unreasonably
 
  • #482
In the 2005 meds list for LM, one of them is to combat movement side-effects of the antipsychotics, such as tardive dyskinesia. This wouldn't be prescribed routinely AFAIK, so presumably LM was showing signs of side-effects. These can be permanent, continuing for life even after the meds have been stopped.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwZQBJs8fI

These aren't drugs you'd want to mess around with, especially if you re as vain as LM.

ETA here's his Cover Guy interview, he's making repetitive facial and head movements. Could have been caused by antipsychotics maybe. Or could just be nerves or substance abuse. He's talking about his weight here, so you guys will like this :p

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fctneTYHBtM
 
  • #483
I'm really surprised that nothing has been mentioned during this trial about Magnotta's infatuation with Karla Homolka. I believe that this murder has less to do with mental illness as it does with Magnotta's fascination with the infamous serial killer. I know from my time on the now defunct "Watching Karla Holmolaka" forum, where Magnotta was a regular participant, that he had an interest in her that went far beyond your average true crime aficionado. In fact, Magnotta was spreading rumours about himself being romantically linked to Karla, and hinting that they actually had a child together. Behind the scenes he was looking for information as to her whereabouts, wanting to contact her, saying that he was attracted to her. Creepy!

If you look at the aspects of the murder, they are strikingly similar to the crimes of Holmolka:
- victim is lured to house
- victim is drugged in to unconsciousness
- victim is sexually assaulted
- assault is videotaped
- victim is dismembered and disposed of.

In my opinion this crime was committed to either form some kind of sick bond between Karla and himself or to simply give him the same notoriety that Karla had. The fact that one of the packages was postmarked with Karla's sister's return address proves that he was still fascinated by that case. From my experiences with what was purported to be him, he was a nutcase, but I really think it was the Karla Homolka fascination that pushed him down the path to murder. To this day I haven't seen any violent tendencies from him until that point in his life (would have been about 2006).

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/magnotta-and-homolka-anatomy-of-a-rumour/
 
  • #484
Agree andreww. He also used part of the body to pleasure himself just like Karla did.
 
  • #485
I'm really surprised that nothing has been mentioned during this trial about Magnotta's infatuation with Karla Homolka. I believe that this murder has less to do with mental illness as it does with Magnotta's fascination with the infamous serial killer. I know from my time on the now defunct "Watching Karla Holmolaka" forum, where Magnotta was a regular participant, that he had an interest in her that went far beyond your average true crime aficionado. In fact, Magnotta was spreading rumours about himself being romantically linked to Karla, and hinting that they actually had a child together. Behind the scenes he was looking for information as to her whereabouts, wanting to contact her, saying that he was attracted to her. Creepy!

If you look at the aspects of the murder, they are strikingly similar to the crimes of Holmolka:
- victim is lured to house
- victim is drugged in to unconsciousness
- victim is sexually assaulted
- assault is videotaped
- victim is dismembered and disposed of.

In my opinion this crime was committed to either form some kind of sick bond between Karla and himself or to simply give him the same notoriety that Karla had. The fact that one of the packages was postmarked with Karla's sister's return address proves that he was still fascinated by that case. From my experiences with what was purported to be him, he was a nutcase, but I really think it was the Karla Homolka fascination that pushed him down the path to murder. To this day I haven't seen any violent tendencies from him until that point in his life (would have been about 2006).

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/magnotta-and-homolka-anatomy-of-a-rumour/

BBM: And two of the packages were postmarked with her husband's mother's address. This took some research, and possible physical stalking.
 
  • #486
He's talking about his weight here, so you guys will like this :p

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  • #487
BBM: And two of the packages were postmarked with her husband's mother's address. This took some research, and possible physical stalking.

I think he really wanted this crime to get Karla's attention. As he didn't have her address, he used family members. If Karla had never heard of Magnotta before, she certainly has now. Mission accomplished.
 
  • #488
suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18m18 minutes ago
Back in #Magnotta. Continuation of cross examination of Renée Roy, psychiatrist who has been treating him in detention.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Jury is in. #Magnotta trial- Day 24 starts now. #CJAD

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Cross examination begins of psychiatrists Dr. Renee Roy. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Roy is currently treating #Magnotta.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
And the crown barely lets slip first question, when defence raises an issue to be discussed and not in the presence of the jury. #Magnotta
 
  • #489
Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Debate over. Getting the jury. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Jury back. Cross exam resumes. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Usually work at Pinel Psych Institute? Yes but travel around to detention centres. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
Roy works in several places, including RDP, where #magnotta is being held.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Men in preventive custody have to stay at RDP detention center for awhile, witness says. #Magnotta there for 2 yrs+ now.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
When treat #Magnotta, already at RDP? Since Aug 2012.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
About one day a week at RDP. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 8m8 minutes ago
Senior colleague Dr. Talbot was already treating #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
Started working at RDP August 2012, two months after #Magnotta was arrested. Another doc treated him before her.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
From June to Nov? Already 6 mtgs with Talbot. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta only had six sessions with him because of side effects of medication

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 8m8 minutes ago
#Magnotta no longer seen by psych Talbot as of Aug. 21

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 7m7 minutes ago
#Magnotta was never transferred to Philippe Pinel Institute (for inmates with psych probs) during his detention, Roy says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 7m7 minutes ago
Talbot stopped seeing #Magnotta in 2012 but he was still detained at RDP.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
So when Roy took over, had Talbot's notes and psych from Robert Weinstein, 2009/2010. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
Roy had 2 things re #Magnotta: file from former psych at RDP and file from Weinstein, who treated him at North York General in '09-'10

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
One med #magnotta was taking gave him tremors, Parkinson-like symptoms.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Talbot used word toxicity in report: too much of a certain med, led to tremblings. Happened to #Magnotta?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta wanted to go back on med he was taking before, Roy says. Despite side affects? crown says. I don't know

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta wanted to go back on med. Didn't agree, not a good idea, Talbot also recommended against it.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
How did you take over the case? #Magnotta upset didn't get the med, not seen by psychs more often.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness informed second opinion was sought. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta lawyer had asked for this. Letter dated Nov 19, 2012. Roy first met him Nov. 21.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta may have more difficulty speaking English with Dr. Talbot, the doc he had at RDP before Roy

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta told her that it was difficult to communicate sometimes with Talbot because he spoke in French.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Weren't you there only to readjust meds for #Magnotta?

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Asked me to do a follow up. Readjusted meds for long term follo. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Along the way, Roy discovered there were other reports of schizophrenia in #Magnotta's past

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Talbot did a "fading out", finally stopped going to RDP in March 2013. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Met #Magnotta for 1st time, reticent about talking about his sessions with Talbot? Defence wants to address another issue. Jury leaves.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
On first meeting with #Magnotta he was reticent to speak about file with Talbot. Leclair asks to speak without jury.
 
  • #490
What I'm getting so far is that Dr Talbot was assigned to him originally. He spoke French. He was a man. He wouldn't give LM the meds he wanted because of the negative side effects. He wouldn't see LM on a weekly basis. He didn't coddle and cater to LM.

So...his lawyer requested a new doctor in Nov 2012. He got a female who spoke fluent English and was willing to see him once a week and work with him regarding adjusting the meds, although she also would not give him the one he wanted. By reading some of the French tweets I think the drug in question is risperidone?

LM is in segregation for his own protection in the Riviere-des-Prairies Detention Centre. So he's got his private room.

MOO
 
  • #491
Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Debate over. Jury coming. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 37s38 seconds ago
Jury returns. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Crown asks witness about 1st #Magnotta mtg.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 50s50 seconds ago
You wanted to talk about Talbot's sessions with #Magnotta for more efficient treatment? Yes.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 29s29 seconds ago
Witness says #Magnotta told her she was uncomfortable talking about sessions with Talbot.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Can't remember if #Magnotta refused to sign authorization to talk about Talbot sessions.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 51s52 seconds ago
Says many patients wait to discuss issue with lawyer before signing authorization. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
Not first time #Magnotta spoke with psychs, so he understood? Yes, longest follo was 5 yrs in Ontario.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 52s52 seconds ago
#Magnotta understood you were treating him? Yes understood I was there to evaluate and possible follo.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Poss proceed with #Magnotta during private consultation? Don't usually do them.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
With #Magnotta authorization, could talk to his other psychs. Defence wants to address another issue. Jury leaves.
 
  • #492
WTH? So one doctor cannot refer to the notes of another doctor or discuss anything with the patient regarding the other doctor's sessions without the patient's written consent? And he refused to give it? Is this what I'm reading?

LM never seems to want to discuss anything he's said before. Wonder why that is? Having trouble keeping it all straight LM?

MOO
 
  • #493
salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta trial is slow going today. Jury now out of room for the 3rd time, after defence lawyer objects & asks to discuss a legal point.
 
  • #494
Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Discussion done. Getting the jury. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 47s47 seconds ago
Jury returns. Back to Dr.Roy. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 51s51 seconds ago
Judge reminds jury about instruction re:leaving while lawyers discuss. Not trying to hide anything from them. Normal procedure. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 29s30 seconds ago
#Magnotta jury back, judge addresses delays. Says he knows jury is inconvenienced when have to come and go, but not trying to hide anything.
 
  • #495
Who are they trying to kid? Most jurors know that the defense is trying to hide something when you get kicked out of the room. LOL

MOO
 
  • #496
In hindsight, I am really glad that Mr. Rubert told the court how he faked mental illness to stay out of jail. I am not sure if he can get in trouble for revealing this information, considering he was in Canada when he did, but it was a risky move. It is like he saw what Magnotta was doing...
 
  • #497
So we have another doctor:
Weinstein, who treated him at North York General in '09-'10
 
  • #498
Who are they trying to kid? Most jurors know that the defense is trying to hide something when you get kicked out of the room. LOL

MOO

True! It seems to me that LM is manipulating this trial as well as everything else!

:bang:
 
  • #499
So we have another doctor:
Weinstein, who treated him at North York General in '09-'10

Is it just me - or did LM see more doctors in his 20-some years than most of us see in a lifetime? And what about the "double-doctoring" deal?
 
  • #500
Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
So you had chance to talk with Talbot as well as Drs. Watts(2013/2014) and Allard(2014)? Yes. Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s60 seconds ago
#Magnotta authorized this? Can't do it without permission.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Dec 28, 2012: notes from info from Dr. Watts. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 41s42 seconds ago
#Magnotta able to filter info to diff psychs, time to talk or not to?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta hid the fact he heard voices in 2012 to avoid being placed in isolation

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta hid fact he heard voices, Roy says because he wanted to avoid isolation. Crown: So he filters info? Roy: Many patients do that.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta afraid of being sent into isolation so he explained things.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
"Romantic transfer": regarding the nurse #Magnotta got attached to in RDP detention center.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Nurse was nice to #Magnotta, compliments on clothes.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
What does love transfer mean crown asks? Roy says #magnotta fell for the nurse because he was nice and smiled at him

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Attention wasn't solicited. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Confronted #Magnotta? Yes, he was upset, more anxious because of reaction of admin, sending nurse away.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta felt sad about it because he misunderstood. He was losing the opportunity to see this nurse again

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Other expressions of this attachment to nurse? #Magnotta expressed sexual feelings, tried to get nurse to visit. Never happened.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta arranged things in his cell, hoping the male nurse would come in, Roy said.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence wants to address another issue. Crown was asking about nurse, insisting didn't want personal details. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury leaves. #Magnotta
 
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