Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Jury is back. Can someone do the tweets, please?

 

[Rayemonde]

I can do some but i'm having internet issues so i might not be the fastest.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

PLEASE READ FROM BOTTOM UP:


Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18s 19 seconds ago

We're resuming. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31s 32 seconds ago

Issue over. Getting jury back. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

Witness leaves too. Legal issue. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

Judge asks jury to leave for a moment. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago

Witness says #Magnotta was totally cooperative.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago

Believe #Magnotta was just trying to get out as much as he could? Witness says he was just telling him things freely, one after the other.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago

The way #Magnotta went back and forth, believe that? Yes, typical of symptoms.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago

In such high profile case, explore v.v. carefully, consider may present false evidence, but did not have a moment of suspicion. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago

Think #Magnotta was saying all these things so they'd be on the record when you examined him, crown asks.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago

Believe that #Magnotta was scared of the noise cellphone made flipping open? Yes.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago

Witness says didn't misunderstand expression, appeared v. distressed, anxious, suspicious. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago

Crown asks witness if surprised to learn #Magnotta was out enjoying Berlin nightlife.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago

Crown mentions #Magnotta saying he doesn't like going outside anymore and about a witch watching him.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago

Have to believe a patient otherwise can't treat him.#Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago

Talked to #Magnotta as psychiatrist not investigator.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago

So maybe he wasn't tellling you truth? When #Magnotta mentioned it was in "Frank"'s luggage, didn't pay attention. Not too important to me.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago

In state I met #Magnotta who seemed to be v. disorganized, distressed, not surprised he told me about taking med and then didn't have it.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago

What #Magnotta told you about Respiratol (SP?),if I told you police searched his luggage and there was no such med, surprise you?Not at all.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14m 14 minutes ago

Obviously not able to go to some topics and I respected this. So you believed what he told you? Yes. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14m 14 minutes ago

He flip flopped on different questions. Did you have to bring him back to topic? Sometimes. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15m 15 minutes ago

Witness says there was no emotional involvement, monotone voice, deliver not much info on specific questions. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15m 15 minutes ago

Witness says #Magnotta did not say a lot, he had to ask him a lot of questions.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15m 15 minutes ago

In control of what he was saying, crown says. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16m 16 minutes ago

June 11, 2012: Impression that #Magnotta out of control or in control? Witness asks what crown means.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16m 16 minutes ago

Crown asks witness about first meeting with #Magnotta.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17m 17 minutes ago

Jury is here. We continue with the cross examination of the Berlin psychiatrist Dr. Thomas Barth. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

I'll get them up now.

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 15m 15 minutes ago
We're back in #Magnotta where the Crown is cross examining Thomas Barth, the psychiatrist that treated M in jail in Berlin

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 14m 14 minutes ago
#Magnotta didn't deliver much information on specific questions, says Barth. Sometimes he was obviously not able to go to some topics

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 14m 14 minutes ago
#Magnotta seemed very authentic, Barth says. I had no reason not to believe him, he says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 13m 13 minutes ago
#Magnotta told Barth he took his medicine at Franks's place, where he stayed in Berlin. Police didn't find those meds, crown says.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago
Barth wouldn't be surprised if #Magnotta says he has meds and it turns out he didn't have any. "I didn't even know who Frank was."

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago
Barth asked questions about other people, like Manny and "she". Sometimes got answer, sometimes not #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago
You have to believe a patient otherwise you can't treat him, Barth says. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago
#Magnotta was in severe mental condition and we suspected psychotic episode, Barth says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 9m 9 minutes ago
#Magnotta appeared very distressed and anxious. Showed signs of suspicion, Barth says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 9m 9 minutes ago
"He thought I would shoot him when I pulled my cell phone out and it made a click," Barth says. I believed him #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago
Possible he was using you to record his symptoms so there would be a record of them, crown asks? #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago
Am aware some try to fake symptoms and knew this was an important case, Barth says. I didn't have a moment of suspicion, nor did others

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 7m 7 minutes ago
#Magnotta was obviously psychotic, Barth says. He's switching topics was very typical of these kinds of patients

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 7m 7 minutes ago
There were even topics he didn't want to talk about, like audible hallucinations #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 6m 6 minutes ago
I can't explain why he didn't want to talk about it. I didn't see it as not wanting to cooperate. He was friendly, Barth says#Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 6m 6 minutes ago
That's why Barth took him to his office to talk. Usually only do that when I feel confident and safe and they cooperate #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 6m 6 minutes ago
Judge has asked jury to leave for a moment #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
We're back in #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
#Magnotta didn't want to talk about having sex with step mother when he was 16, and other topics, crown says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
It's not that he didn't want to talk about certain topics, he just didn't reply immediately to questions. talked about v sensitive things

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
It wasn't a gentle conversation, he was distressed and seemed driven by emotions, Barth says. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 54s 54 seconds ago
I try not to be obtrusive, Barth says. #Magnotta didn't say he didn't want to talk, he just flipped to another subject.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 49s 50 seconds ago
Many psychotic patients don't talk about their crime at all, Barth says. Often they can't remember or they just don't want to #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4s 5 seconds ago
I respect that somebody doesn't want to speak about their crime if it's committed while psychotic, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago
#Magnotta delivered a lot of info in disorganized manner, Barth said.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago
He spoke about sex videos that he didn't want to make, crown says. did you ask him? no, there are many young psychotics in Berlin who do it

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 10m 10 minutes ago
#Magnotta said he was making videos with animals so did you ask about it crown asks. I never heard of pornography with animals Barth says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 9m 9 minutes ago
Barth's research deals with sexual victimization. Approach is to be v sensitive and gentle. A lot of victimization in sex ind. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 10m 10 minutes ago
#Magnotta was in and out of Mount Sinai Hosp in 48 hrs with diagnosis of substance abuse, crown says.

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 25m25 minutes ago
Lunch break is over. Everyone is here. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 24m24 minutes ago
Getting the jury. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19m19 minutes ago
We're back in #Magnotta where the Crown is cross examining Thomas Barth, the psychiatrist that treated M in jail in Berlin

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 21m21 minutes ago
Crown asks witness about first meeting with #Magnotta.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 20m20 minutes ago
June 11, 2012: Impression that #Magnotta out of control or in control? Witness asks what crown means.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 20m20 minutes ago
In control of what he was saying, crown says. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 20m20 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta did not say a lot, he had to ask him a lot of questions.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 20m20 minutes ago
Witness says there was no emotional involvement, monotone voice, deliver not much info on specific questions. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 19m19 minutes ago
He flip flopped on different questions. Did you have to bring him back to topic? Sometimes. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 20m20 minutes ago
#Magnotta didn't deliver much information on specific questions, says Barth. Sometimes he was obviously not able to go to some topics

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 20m20 minutes ago
Obviously not able to go to some topics and I respected this. So you believed what he told you? Yes. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19m19 minutes ago
#Magnotta seemed very authentic, Barth says. I had no reason not to believe him, he says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 19m19 minutes ago
What #Magnotta told you about Respiratol (SP?),if I told you police searched his luggage and there was no such med, surprise you?Not at all.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19m19 minutes ago
#Magnotta told Barth he took his medicine at Franks's place, where he stayed in Berlin. Police didn't find those meds, crown says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 19m19 minutes ago
In state I met #Magnotta who seemed to be v. disorganized, distressed, not surprised he told me about taking med and then didn't have it.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18m18 minutes ago
Barth wouldn't be surprised if #Magnotta says he has meds and it turns out he didn't have any. "I didn't even know who Frank was."

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 18m18 minutes ago
So maybe he wasn't tellling you truth? When #Magnotta mentioned it was in "Frank"'s luggage, didn't pay attention. Not too important to me.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18m18 minutes ago
Barth asked questions about other people, like Manny and "she". Sometimes got answer, sometimes not #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 18m18 minutes ago
Talked to #Magnotta as psychiatrist not investigator.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 18m18 minutes ago
Have to believe a patient otherwise can't treat him.#Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 18m18 minutes ago
#Magnotta was in severe mental condition and we suspected psychotic episode, Barth says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Crown mentions #Magnotta saying he doesn't like going outside anymore and about a witch watching him.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Crown asks witness if surprised to learn #Magnotta was out enjoying Berlin nightlife.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 16m16 minutes ago
Witness says didn't misunderstand expression, appeared v. distressed, anxious, suspicious. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 17m17 minutes ago
#Magnotta appeared very distressed and anxious. Showed signs of suspicion, Barth says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 16m16 minutes ago
"He thought I would shoot him when I pulled my cell phone out and it made a click," Barth says. I believed him #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 15m15 minutes ago
Possible he was using you to record his symptoms so there would be a record of them, crown asks? #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 16m16 minutes ago
Think #Magnotta was saying all these things so they'd be on the record when you examined him, crown asks.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 15m15 minutes ago
In such high profile case, explore v.v. carefully, consider may present false evidence, but did not have a moment of suspicion. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 15m15 minutes ago
#Magnotta was obviously psychotic, Barth says. He's switching topics was very typical of these kinds of patients

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 15m15 minutes ago
The way #Magnotta went back and forth, believe that? Yes, typical of symptoms.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 15m15 minutes ago
There were even topics he didn't want to talk about, like audible hallucinations #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 15m15 minutes ago
Believe #Magnotta was just trying to get out as much as he could? Witness says he was just telling him things freely, one after the other.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta was totally cooperative.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 14m14 minutes ago
That's why Barth took him to his office to talk. Usually only do that when I feel confident and safe and they cooperate #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Judge asks jury to leave for a moment. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Witness leaves too. Legal issue. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 14m14 minutes ago
Issue over. Getting jury back. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 13m13 minutes ago
#Magnotta back to leaning forward in his seat.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
#Magnotta refrained from answering, at least 4x, didn't want to talk anymore, ie hallucinations, the witch, alcoholic relatives, crown says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
And also sex with stepmother, crown says, didn't want to expand on. Witness disagrees. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 11m11 minutes ago
It wasn't a gentle conversation, he was distressed and seemed driven by emotions, Barth says. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Witness says didn't want to be obtrusive. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
Witness says he didn't say he didn't want to talk, just didn't answer. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
Many psychotic patients don't talk about crime at all, witness says. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Witness says often they can't remember which is very common or they just don't want to. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Witness says he had no reason to go further. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 11m11 minutes ago
I respect that somebody doesn't want to speak about their crime if it's committed while psychotic, Barth says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11m11 minutes ago
Crown refers to witness's notes about sex and stepmother, #Magnotta says "don't want to speak about it."

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 11m11 minutes ago
"I don't want to speak about it & I want to forget," #Magnotta told psychiatrist @ sex with stepmom

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Witness says it was unsolicited, appeaered driven by inner drive, delivered a lot of info, disorganized. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Spoke about exes Robin and Manny, sleeping with men nothing new for #Magnotta? Witness says had no reason to explore further.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Witness says not surprised #Magnotta talking about porn videos and prostitution.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 10m10 minutes ago
#Magnotta told him he was forced to do sex videos. But Crown says he was earning living as porn actor.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Witness says most who do it are in very deprived situation. Crown counters #Magnotta said he was forced to do it.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta told him the sex videos were with animals. "I had no reason to go further with my questioning," doc says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Do you know the porn videos #Magnotta was talking about he did with animals? Witness says never saw such videos in general.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta said he was making videos with animals so did you ask about it crown asks. I never heard of pornography with animals Barth says

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta gave doc info in his disorganized and chaotic way, didn't probe becuz he wanted to be sensitive and gentle

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
Barth's research deals with sexual victimization. Approach is to be v sensitive and gentle. A lot of victimization in sex ind. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 9m9 minutes ago
Barth: In his disorganized and chaotic way, #Magnotta gave me a lot of information that I just documented. I had no reason to go further.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Witness says see these situations with psychotic people prostituting themselves on streets of Berlin. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta was in and out of Mount Sinai Hosp in 48 hrs with diagnosis of substance abuse, crown says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Re: Mt Sinai and substance abuse diagnosis, no past psych history, released in 48 hrs. Defence objects, says it's in report. #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 8m8 minutes ago
Miami hospital in 2011, #Magnotta was released after 48 hrs. with no mental health diagnosis: Crown

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Jan 2011 at that Miami hospital....defence cuts off crown, objects again. Jury leaves. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Hashing out I mean. Judge has now left the room too.#Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 36m 36 minutes ago
Jury finally being brought in at #Magnotta trial after 4-hour delay. Cross-examination of German psychiatrist Dr. Barth resumes. #cbcmtl

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 29m 29 minutes ago
Barth repeats #Magnotta seemed disorganized,distressed,confused when they met. Witness believed what patient said.You have to or can't treat

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 29m 29 minutes ago
Barth says he spoke to #Magnotta as a doctor, not an investigator. He was anxious, distressed, and doctor suspected a psychotic episode.

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 24m 24 minutes ago
Crown asks if possible #Magnotta used Berlin psych ward to create record of psychotic symptoms. Barth: I did not have a moment of suspicion.

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 23m 23 minutes ago
Barth also explains all other doctors on his team felt #Magnotta symptoms were authentic, that he was "obviously psychotic".

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 16m 16 minutes ago
Many psychotic patients don't want to talk about their crimes, it's very common, Barth says. #Magnotta

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 12m 12 minutes ago
Barth: In his disorganized and chaotic way, #Magnotta gave me a lot of information that I just documented. I had no reason to go further.

 

[Kamille]

Ha...we're getting all the tweets up today!!

Okay so who is still thinking that LM had a long standing history of playing the system? Or do we think he had a psychotic episode after his arrest? So far I still believe he was manipulating. And I can see why. It has served him well and gets him all the attention he desires. I guess we're never going to hear from anyone who actually asked him about the crime? Poor fragile Luka couldn't be asked about any of this?

I must say, I'm not liking the way people can appear to manipulate these doctors. Remember Frank Rubert? He claimed to have done it, likely in the actual place where LM was staying. Maybe even the same doctor. I wish the Crown had delved more into that during his time on the stand.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Crown mentions #Magnotta saying he doesn't like going outside anymore and about a witch watching him.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17m17 minutes ago
Crown asks witness if surprised to learn #Magnotta was out enjoying Berlin nightlife.

Very good point. And the jury had to sit through all the cctv of him wandering around cool as a cucumber, admiring himself in a mirror and seemingly oblivious to the cctv cameras that were actually watching him. He didn't look paranoid or scared at all. Although he was walking a bit like an ape in the airport footage

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

LM is a master puppeteer, IMHO.

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Judge is back. Discussing legal matter again. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 47s48 seconds ago
Discussion over. Getting the jury. #Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

We're only hearing from the doctors who were sent to TREAT LM, we haven't heard from any doctors sent to find out about his crimes. He is a patient to them, not a criminal.
Did no one try to question him about the murder??? Bizarre.
I must look back through Rubert's testimony at some point, it could be very significant if the hospital he claimed to have tricked IS the same one LM was at.

 

[Rayemonde]

I still think he may have schizophrenia... We've heard from 2 forensic psychiatrists and a GP who are convinced he has it, and we've heard from NO doctors saying he was faking it. If his dad has schizophrenia, I believe LM would have around a 10% chance of inheriting it. However, even if he does have schizophrenia, some criminals with schizophrenia will exaggerate their symptoms or fake an episode to get out of trouble.

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
Back in #Magnotta. Barth said he told him about two psych treatments he had before

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
#magnotta was seen at Jewish General two months before killing but didn't say he was having schiz symptoms, crown says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 55s 55 seconds ago
Who are we to believe and when, Dr Barth? Crown asks. I'm not here to give opinion, Barth says, but I believed #Magnotta in June 2012

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 29s 30 seconds ago
Barth wasn't supposed to treat #Magnotta's addiction disorder. Had to treat v distressed patient. No need to question patient's info.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · now 4 seconds ago
maybe I suspected he took more and had more substance abuse than he told me but had no need to go further, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
I didn't feel that #magnotta fooled me, Barth says. Even now that you know more crown asks. No.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8s 9 seconds ago
He wanted you to think he was crazy; he wanted the world to believe he was crazy, says Crown. He was ill, don't use crazy: Barth #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury back for cross examination of Berlin psychiatrist Dr.Thomas Barth. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Crown asks about Mt Sinai record again.Jan 20, 2011, #Magnotta admitted and released 48hrs later, no past psych history.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 54s55 seconds ago
Mt. Sinai Miami Beach hospital on Jan 20 2011 #Magnotta admitted with no past psych history and denied he had auditory hallucinations

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 54s55 seconds ago
And denied hallucinatory, auditory episodes. Were they fooled by #Magnotta, crown asks.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 56s56 seconds ago
Witness says patients w/ psych illnesses feel. stigmatized and don't like to talk about it, try to hide psych records. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 29s30 seconds ago
Not surprised about such findings, seen many patients with schizophrenia and treated in a few days, get diff diagnosis. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 46s46 seconds ago
Crown counters #Magnotta volunteered the info. Witness says doesn't know how he gave info.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta tell you he went to Jewish General psych ward? No.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Dec 2012, saw psych at Jewish General, denied psychotic symptoms, told them hospitalized in Ont from 16-19, crown reads. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Surprise you this happened two months prior to him meeting? #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta was seen April 17 2012 at Mtl's JGH, and denied having schizo symptoms. Though diagnosed with bipolar symptoms

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says #Magnotta not able/wiling,told me deliberatley about 2 past psych treatments,can't explain why didn't tell me about recent one.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
Berlin psych says #Magnotta didn't tell him he'd been seen at Mtrl hospital shortly before murder and diagnosed with bipolar disorder

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#magnotta was seen at Jewish General two months before killing but didn't say he was having schiz symptoms, crown says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s55 seconds ago
To take proper record substance abuse,get from same patient diff info. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s44 seconds ago
Who are we to believe and when, crown asks. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 58s58 seconds ago
Not here for opinion. I believe #Magnotta when he was my patient.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 58s58 seconds ago
So Dr Barth was not aware of Florida medical visit, nor the one at JGH #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Who are we to believe and when, Dr Barth? Crown asks. I'm not here to give opinion, Barth says, but I believed #Magnotta in June 2012

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Who are we to believe? Crown asks. "I believe Mr. #Magnotta," psychiatrist says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 51s52 seconds ago
For this situation, I was in charge of #Magnotta , not supposed to treat addiction disorder.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s59 seconds ago
We had v. distressed patient and given info, info about substance abuse, fit in with profile of other patients. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 55s55 seconds ago
Barth wasn't supposed to treat #Magnotta's addiction disorder. Had to treat v distressed patient. No need to question patient's info.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
He didn't tell me he did not take anything or he took something, witness says. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
maybe I suspected he took more and had more substance abuse than he told me but had no need to go further, Barth says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
So you didn't feel you were fooled by #Magnotta? No.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Even today? No. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
You don't think on June 11, 2012, #Magnotta was putting on a show and wanted you, the world to know he was crazy?

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
I don't believe so, he was treated by me and my colleagues. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Barth insists that #Magnotta was very sick at the time, despite Bouthillier's suggestion he might have been manipulated

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
He wanted you to think he was crazy; he wanted the world to believe he was crazy, says Crown. He was ill, don't use crazy: Barth #Magnotta

Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli · 1m1 minute ago
Crown prosecutor suggests to Dr Barth that #Magnotta was "putting on a show" and "preparing his defence" when he met with him in June 2012

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
What is malingering? Witness says always aware about special situation, environment I work, for patients to malinger. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Criteria? To assess in forensic expertise, not my task. You can always fail, it can happen for most experienced to get cheated. #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 58s59 seconds ago
His experience tells him #Magnotta was telling the truth. But admits even the most experienced investigator can be cheated.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 49s50 seconds ago
Even the most experienced investigator can be cheated and fail in diagnosis, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 37s38 seconds ago
Talking about malingering: avoiding work, evading crim pros, military duty etc. and feigning illness to do so. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

I can't believe the testimony I'm seeing here. Apparently, anything goes in that psych unit. If you present as "distressed and anxious", even though you've just been picked up on a world wide man hunt for a brutal murder then you're ill. No questions asked.

WOW.

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
Back in #Magnotta. Barth said he told him about two psych treatments he had before

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago
#magnotta was seen at Jewish General two months before killing but didn't say he was having schiz symptoms, crown says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 55s 55 seconds ago
Who are we to believe and when, Dr Barth? Crown asks. I'm not here to give opinion, Barth says, but I believed #Magnotta in June 2012

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 29s 30 seconds ago
Barth wasn't supposed to treat #Magnotta's addiction disorder. Had to treat v distressed patient. No need to question patient's info.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · now 4 seconds ago
maybe I suspected he took more and had more substance abuse than he told me but had no need to go further, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
I didn't feel that #magnotta fooled me, Barth says. Even now that you know more crown asks. No.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8s 9 seconds ago
He wanted you to think he was crazy; he wanted the world to believe he was crazy, says Crown. He was ill, don't use crazy: Barth #Magnotta


salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 26s 27 seconds ago
Barth repeats it's common for schizophrenic patients to downplay symptoms.Says strongly believes #Magnotta was very ill when @ Berlin prison


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Even the most experienced investigator can be cheated and fail in diagnosis, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
Talking about malingering: avoiding work, evading crim pros, military duty etc. and feigning illness to do so. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Crown reading criteria of malingering. In #Magnotta case there are three of four criteria present, Crown says

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Barth was aware of malingering but in #magnotta case didn't have that impression throughout 7 days he was with them.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 36s 36 seconds ago
Barth has had several people sent to him by judges for assessment. You can fake it for a while but not for 4 weeks, he says. Am experienced

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 25s 25 seconds ago
psych at Jewish General Hospital wrote said he doesn't seem to appear to suffer bipolar or psychosis: 2 months bf #Magnotta in Berlin

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 41s 41 seconds ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case even a day before I saw him, Barth says. That he appeared to be stable and didn't need meds

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11s 11 seconds ago
Schizophrenics can appear normal and a little change in life can lead to relapse in life and you deal with psychotic outbreak #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 47s 47 seconds ago
Barth didn't know #Magnotta was an actor.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 24s 24 seconds ago
That's the end of cross of Barth. Break now till 3:10 #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Crown reads about malingering: essentially fraud, to deceive. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Crown reading criteria of malingering. In #Magnotta case there are three of four criteria present, Crown says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Crown says in this case find three of five criteria? Witness says was aware of malingering as with every other patient. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says didn't have that impression with #Magnotta.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
Doc says he didn't have impression #Magnotta was malingering during 7 days he spent in his Berlin dept.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says you can fake symptoms or psych condition for awhile, but for four weeks, can't do it. Doesn't agree with crown. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
When released from JGH April 17, 2012, doc says #Magnotta didn't suffer from psychosis or bipolar condition so no meds.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
psych at Jewish General Hospital wrote said he doesn't seem to appear to suffer bipolar or psychosis: 2 months bf #Magnotta in Berlin

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 56s56 seconds ago
Witness says not surprised if diagnosis done a week before. Had patients normal a day before before committing a v serious crime. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 53s54 seconds ago
Schizophrenics can appear normal and a little change in life can lead to relapse in life and you deal with psychotic outbreak #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Barth didn't know #Magnotta was an actor.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness:that's prob treating schizo patients:they don't complain about things & a change in life can lead to lapse in disease. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
That's the end of cross of Barth. Break now till 3:10 #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s57 seconds ago
Defence needs to address legal matter. Break. #Magnotta