Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

[Kamille]

I was an amazing liar / actress in my drugging days... I can tell you that if I was to pretend I was crazy, I would do it just like LM - I would down play the symptoms.. To me, someone who acts outwardly crazy in front of a psychiatrist is going to be more suspected of faking then someone who portrays them self as a week child and subtly speaks of symptoms, while downplaying them of course...
LM is a Master Faker!

I hope it's not lost on the jury his behaviour with the German doctor right after his arrest and the different behaviour with the Canadian ones when he returned. He was acting crazy with the German one. Everyone was coming out...Manny, Robin, scared of the guy's phone etc. Doesn't sound like any of that was happening with the Canadian ones.

To me that's faking it. Not consistent with any two doctors at all. And won't discuss things he's said with other doctors. And picks and chooses what he will discuss with them. No wonder every single one of them says they have never seen anything like it. The people they usually deal with are insane.

MOO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Let's look at it this way - one in three Canadians know/live with a drug addict of some sort. Alcoholism is drug addiction. So, we can only hope that some of the jury has had the experience of knowing the games/lies/manipulation of addicts. And.......addicts are completely believable. Until we catch on.

Let's hope......

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
back in #Magnotta and Allard’s testimony

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 36s36 seconds ago
#Magnotta was an interesting case, medical wise, Allard said. Father suffered from mental illness and there was a lot of stigma.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 29s30 seconds ago
#Magnotta didn’t wan to be labeled too, and not have family. He didn’t want to be sick, didn’t want to appear to be sick.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#magnotta’s view of himself: he wanted to succeed, to enjoy himself. He was v isolated as young child. It was all connected, Allard says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 40s40 seconds ago
Alain Pichet was a man evaluated in 2007, father was schizophrenic. Pichet committed serious crime. Crown asks if its relevant #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 53s54 seconds ago
And out goes the jury. #Magnotta

 

[Rayemonde]

Guys, could you keep your voices down a bit? You're upsetting Luka. He thinks you don't like him. You don't want him to take fright and - oh no, too late, there he goes!!

 

[Kamille]

Let's look at it this way - one in three Canadians know/live with a drug addict of some sort. Alcoholism is drug addiction. So, we can only hope that some of the jury has had the experience of knowing the games/lies/manipulation of addicts. And.......addicts are completely believable. Until we catch on.

Let's hope......

I do think it's much more than that though. LM had a tough childhood, no question. He was around not one, but two schizophrenics. He had no proper education, loving attention or any real prospects for a successful life once leaving the insanity that was his home life. He turned to prostitution to make a living while dreaming of making the "big time" in acting and modelling.

Personally I think he used the tools that he learned growing up to get what he wanted. Unfortunately one of the tools he may have learned were to use mental illness symptoms for free health care, attention, money, prescription drugs and getting out of trouble when you chose to do something unlawful. And the only mental illness he had a good handle on the symptoms for was likely the one two of the adults he lived with had.

I do think he has some kind of personality disorder or mental illness but I'm just not sure that schizophrenia is it. Although it certainly might be. Doesn't mean he was destined to be a murderer because of it. And I do believe he knew exactly what he was doing and that it was very wrong when he committed this murder. I disagree with that portion of Dr Allard's testimony. And I don't think she could possibly know unless she stumbled onto the scene at the time it was being committed.

But that's just my opinion. I'm not a doctor. Although I have to wonder at this point just how much these doctors can diagnose if they choose to disregard years of behaviour and only make a diagnosis based on information provided to them by a defense team. I hope the jury knows this. And that they are paid experts, paid to bolster the defense's claims and that is their main interest in this case.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Christie Blatchford's take on yesterday's doctor testimony.

http://www.theprovince.com/health/B...ry.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

(There's a video of LM's ape walk through the airport at that link too hahahaha)

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Kamille, of course it's more than that. But we do learn from our environment growing up. If I grew up with thieves, I'd learn how to steal - or TELL people how I steal. The growing up process is the real learning tool. IMHO

 

[Rayemonde]

I hope LM has given her his version of events. Like why he didn't kill the first guy!

 

[Rayemonde]

BTW, when was LM ever an actor???

 

[Kamille]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
The poor #Magnotta jury has been in & out of courtroom today,+ legal points have needed to be discussed in their absence. They are back now.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
we’re back. Leclair talking about Ross Memorial Hospital in Lindsay Ont. where #Magnotta went in 26 Aug. 2001, when he was 18

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta came to emergency because he was out of medication, Allard says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s46 seconds ago
The file notes a personality disorder. Next day, 27 Aug, #Magnotta went back. paranoid schizophrenia was diagnosis.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

BTW, when was LM ever an actor???

YES! In the snuff film killing JL.

 

[Kamille]

Wait a minute. He went to a hospital because he ran out of WHAT medication? And he went back the next day and a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenic was recorded?!? Again, was this because he told them this??? Did he dupe that hospital way back then and it's been on ongoing dupe ever since? I'm so confused. :scared:

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 1h 1 hour ago
Allard wondered from 1st meeting whether #Magnotta was making up symptoms. Most common thing to make up is hallucinations, hearing voices.

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 1h 1 hour ago
Allard has techniques to observe if patient faking symptoms. She says for her, "it's clear" #Magnotta has schizophrenia.

 

[andreww]

Wait a minute. He went to a hospital because he ran out of WHAT medication? And he went back the next day and a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenic was recorded?!? Again, was this because he told them this??? Did he dupe that hospital way back then and it's been on ongoing dupe ever since? I'm so confused. :scared:

MOO

I think she's trying to say that this wasn't just a scheme to get meds. The fact that he came back the next day, already having a prescription, shows that he probably wasn't just a pill popper.

 

[andreww]

BTW, when was LM ever an actor???

He participated in several films in Vancouver.

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago
#Magnotta took too much medication that he was prescribed the day before - took the whole bottle, actually

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago
Was already known as paranoid schizophrenic; lived in home for people with the illness #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
Can develop tolerance to some meds, so that the symptoms don’t diminish unless dosage increased, Allard says #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
After taking the bottle of pills he was brought to emergency. Allard spoke to him about that. Asked if he’d ever tried to commit suicide

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
Suicide is very high among schizophrenics, especially at beginning of illness because they are in mourning, depressed, Allard says#Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
So it’s not surprising that he tried several times to kill himself, Allard says. He felt isolated in group home. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · now 4 seconds ago
Could he have faked drug overdose Leclair asks. Allard says there’s a screening in emergency for all meds and illicit drugs#Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 26s 26 seconds ago
Allard has been practising for 15 years. #Magnotta



salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 20s 20 seconds ago
In 2001, #Magnotta hospitalized after took entire bottle of new meds. Allard says suicide attempts common in early stages of schizophrenia.

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta took too much medication that he was prescribed the day before - took the whole bottle, actually

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Was already known as paranoid schizophrenic; lived in home for people with the illness #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 37s38 seconds ago
Can develop tolerance to some meds, so that the symptoms don’t diminish unless dosage increased, Allard says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 43s44 seconds ago
So it’s not surprising that he tried several times to kill himself, Allard says. He felt isolated in group home. #Magnotta

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sooooo, he did try to kill himself.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Wait a minute. He went to a hospital because he ran out of WHAT medication? And he went back the next day and a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenic was recorded?!? Again, was this because he told them this??? Did he dupe that hospital way back then and it's been on ongoing dupe ever since? I'm so confused. :scared:

MOO

Why are we never told WHAT medication?

 

[Kamille]

So there is the suicide attempts we were discussing. Are the jury getting a copy of these reports to look over or are they just relying on this defense expert's interpretation?