Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

[No_Stone_Unturned]

THE CROWN ATTACKS NCR DEFENCE:

http://www.lfpress.com/2014/11/12/c...-insanity-defence-through-travel-bag-purchase

 

[Rayemonde]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21s 22 seconds ago
#Magnotta couldn't remember why he did. Remembered drowning puppy. Remembered masturbating with arm. didn't know why

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 28s 29 seconds ago
Allard says #Magnotta remembered certain details of the night, including his dog and using a fork & knife, but he couldn't explain why.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 33s 33 seconds ago
Allard says she didn't ask why #Magnotta posted the video to a gore site.

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 45s 45 seconds ago
Crown: Why did the video posted online not include the shot that showed #Magnotta's face? Allard: #Magnotta could not explain it.

:facepalm:

amy minsky @amyminsky · 41s 41 seconds ago
Allard: The only thing I know is he knew of that site. So he put it on a site he knew of. #Magnotta

amy minsky @amyminsky · 6s 6 seconds ago
Why was video posted to gore site? Why did online version omit frames showing #Magnotta's face? Why not send footage to gov't? No answers.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 51s 51 seconds ago
Crown asks Allard why she wouldn't put in her report that #Magnotta bought a plane ticket and was going to go to Europe to change his life

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 44s 45 seconds ago
Was #Magnotta seeking fame by posting video on gore sites? No answer from Allard

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 21s 22 seconds ago
Crown finds another detail not in Allard's report. Allard says it's mentioned in court. Crown: So if I don't ask, jury won't know? #Magnotta

amy minsky @amyminsky · 27s 27 seconds ago
Bouthillier playing surveillance footage from basement camera in the apartment building, showing #Magnotta throwing items out, wearing cap.

amy minsky @amyminsky · 3m 3 minutes ago
Did you ask why he threw out his computer? Was it broken?
Allard: I don't know. he threw it out because he was going to Europe. #Magnotta

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
Music on video, did you ask if it had particular significance? Truth Faith from American Psycho. Allard knows the film. M said from sitcom

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
#Magnotta didn't remember exactly what he did, but he did choose that music on purpose

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 26s 27 seconds ago
Looking at video again of #Magnotta putting computer in garbage. He was living to start a new life, Allard said, but didn't ask

salimah shivji @salimah_shivji · 56s 57 seconds ago
#Magnotta wraps for the day. Back tomorrow morning.

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
That's it for today. Back tomorrow at 9:30. #Magnotta. And just noticed that some of my tweets didn't tweet. tech probs I guess

 

[Kamille]

Is there some governing body for forensic psychiatrists? Does this Dr. Allard have a license? If she does it should really be revoked if this is what she does with it. :notgood:

Surely the jury can see what the rest of the country can?

Can't wait to see what this Dr. Watts has to say about his time with LM. Is he the only doctor on the Crown's witness list for rebuttal?

MOO

 

[Fairy]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21s 22 seconds ago
#Magnotta couldn't remember why he did. Remembered drowning puppy. Remembered masturbating with arm. didn't know why

I remember reading that Karla Homolka was rumoured to have done this with a dismembered arm.

Also, Karla Homolka took a watch from a victim, probably what influenced him to take something from JL.

 

[Kamille]

Can't remember but did LM say he had taken 2 or 3 Temazepam himself that night? Because if he did, how did he manage to stay awake and function for 36 hours when it rendered both JL and the Columbian guy pretty much unconscious? :waitasec:

Chalk that up to another lie? :liar:

And I want answers from the Crown about why they couldn't find anything on LM's computer linking him to picking up these guys on Craigslist. I'm a little confused and I'm sure the jury is too, did LM claim to place the ad or did he claim to answer ads that were placed by the other two. Oh wait...I suppose Dr. Allard didn't ask? Or LM was too confused in his psychosis to remember?

I suppose we should be glad that this is turning out to be the total farce that it is but I still worry about how much the jury does not know about the activities of LM and what motivates him. The years of lying and especially the taunting and how much he enjoyed it. It just takes one to believe this load of carp. :scared:

The suitcase thing is just unbelievable. He buys a new suitcase and destroys it so that no one will give it a second look in the garbage? How many people would have thought of that? When questioned about it we find out Dr. Allard either doesn't ask or he doesn't remember? Pulleeze. :gaah:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Yep,I read that in few places too,supposedly video taped himself performing the sex act on her to,on settee where he left her to be found.I think hes that twisted he would use a family members death and turn it into something to shock people.

I think it sounds like what happened with Karla and her sister that died. Just another LM story to link himself with Karla?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Funny, NONE of his medical records over the years have even mention him having perceptual illusions, let alone them being more intense when he looks in the mirror. Allard is just trying to rationalise all his behaviour to fit the conclusion she made in advance.

Or to fit the conclusion she was paid to make? Anyone hear what she's being paid by the hour for her work on this case? Including the 4 days she's spent on the stand so far going over a 127 page report about nothing significant? Either that or she's just a really bad forensic psychiatrist.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

But what about the black car outside that triggered the "psychotic episode" in the first place?

That was answered in this article...

The prosecutor asked why Magnotta would have left his apartment in the middle of the night, if, as Allard’s report states, he believed a black car with government spies was waiting for him outside.

The psychiatrist responded that although it didn’t appear logical, it is impossible to impose logic on the actions of someone in a psychotic state, because their actions are not based in the same reality as others.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...cmp=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Clear as mud? What a joke. :notgood:

MOO

 

[BorgQueen]

I can't decide whether she is an absolutely horrible psychiatrist, or if she is just being paid quite generously. Either way, it seems a bit unethical.. he said it so it must be true... i don't know I didn't ask... It HAD to be the psychosis! Broken record answers that explain and make sense of nothing. :rubberducky:

She should have just stopped at his medical records.

 

[Kamille]

Also from that CBC article....

Bouthillier also grilled Allard on where Magnotta got the sleeping pills he said he and Lin took the night of the crime.

She said he told her they were left over from his last prescription in 2010. But the Crown pointed out that in 2011, Magnotta had attempted to get a renewal and was refused.

"His story doesn’t add up," the prosecutor concluded.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...cmp=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Little Jedi]

But what about the black car outside that triggered the "psychotic episode" in the first place?

:thumb:

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Does Allard get a standard fee for testifying for the defence but if LM is found NCR she gets a bonus?




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[Rayemonde]

amy minsky @amyminsky · 5m 5 minutes ago
B: Did you know he kept the cap with him in Europe, where he had hardly anything?
A: He could have kept it as proof of what happened w/ gov

amy minsky @amyminsky · 5m 5 minutes ago
Bouthillier: But you don't know, because you didn't ask him.
Allard: No, I didn't ask him.

This tells us everything we need to know about Dr Allard IMO. She's making up a story to try to make Luka look NCR. She's inventing stuff on the stand that he never even told her, to try and make the story seem more believable. There's now no doubt in my mind that she asked him leading questions in her interviews with him and that's where the government spy stuff came from. Delusions of persecution, the black car being a sign, Lin's head sending messages - all this stuff came from Allard IMO. It just doesn't sound like LM's kind of story at all. I bet that he told her at first that Manny did it it or Manny made him do it (she did say he said Manny was there with him when he killed JL), but she didn't think that story was believable so she kept pushing and asking leading questions until she could tie the murder neatly in with his delusions of government persecution that he's had since he was a teenager.

And don't worry for a second about the jury being taken in by this garbage- the cross-examination hasn't even got to the trailer yet.

 

[Kamille]

I can't decide whether she is an absolutely horrible psychiatrist, or if she is just being paid quite generously. Either way, it seems a bit unethical.. he said it so it must be true... i don't know I didn't ask... It HAD to be the psychosis! Broken record answers that explain and make sense of nothing. :rubberducky:

She should have just stopped at his medical records.

BBM

Glad she didn't though. Even on this board the tone of whether he might actually be NCR changed when those records starting coming out. It was all the subsequent lies and complete manipulation from LM himself, being filtered through Allard that turned most people back around to the "oh yeah, that's what we're talking about" mode. It is all pure LM drama and manipulation that we're seeing in the tweets now.

My question is, she claims to have gone into this with no knowledge of LM, only what the defense presented her with and LM himself. She did not interview one person who knew him or research one thing about him on her own that wasn't provided to her by his defense team to come to her conclusion. I would think in FORENSIC psychiatry that is a terrible approach? She wasn't there to be his doctor. She was there to find out what happened. She was lied and manipulated to in 7 sessions and 23.5 hours (all the while getting paid) and I'm sure she billed A LOT more for reading all his records and the other files she was given...by the defense. She came out of it not really knowing anything but claiming that everything leads to psychosis. He was in and out of psychosis for two years according to her. So every thing he did that was not "logical" during this time was due to psychosis. And she is ethical enough that she actually believes this? Boggles the mind really.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

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[Kamille]

Does Allard get a standard fee for testifying for the defence but if LM is found NCR she gets a bonus?




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She is likely paid by the hour. 23.5 for the interviews. Lord knows how many more she billed for all her reading and analysing. And so far about 28 on the stand? If she is charging 50 - 100 bucks an hour just do the math on that. And it's the tax payers who are paying for her. The defense is using public funds to defend LM I believe.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

amy minsky @amyminsky · 5m 5 minutes ago
B: Did you know he kept the cap with him in Europe, where he had hardly anything?
A: He could have kept it as proof of what happened w/ gov

amy minsky @amyminsky · 5m 5 minutes ago
Bouthillier: But you don't know, because you didn't ask him.
Allard: No, I didn't ask him.

This tells us everything we need to know about Dr Allard IMO. She's making up a story to try to make Luka look NCR. She's inventing stuff on the stand that he never even told her, to try and make the story seem more believable. There's now no doubt in my mind that she asked him leading questions in her interviews with him and that's where the government spy stuff came from. Delusions of persecution, the black car being a sign, Lin's head sending messages - all this stuff came from Allard IMO. It just doesn't sound like LM's kind of story at all. I bet that he told her at first that Manny did it it or Manny made him do it (she did say he said Manny was there with him when he killed JL), but she didn't think that story was believable so she kept pushing and asking leading questions until she could tie the murder neatly in with his delusions of government persecution that he's had since he was a teenager.

And don't worry for a second about the jury being taken in by this garbage- the cross-examination hasn't even got to the trailer yet.

Thanks for pointing out something I couldn't quite put my finger on. She was making up possibilities to Bouthillier during her cross. This is NOT how a forensic psychiatrist paid to get information should be testifying IMO.

I think you may be right and we may find out when we hear from the first psychiatrist that was sent to speak to him during the rebuttal. We've already heard hints that the story has changed somewhat.

MOO

 

[Little Jedi]

There was a middle aged 'business man' that he stayed with and travelled with,hes even been interviewed couple of times but wanted to stay anon as didn't want his reputation tarnished......anyone recall when this was?

A travel companion

Magnotta meets a 70-year-old man in Toronto who ends up becoming his travel companion. Together, they visit Russia, Italy and France.
Henry, a fake name used to protect his identity, told the fifth estate they met at the Pickle Barrel restaurant located near Toronto's Yonge and Eglinton intersection.

http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/magnotta-luka.htm

 

[Rayemonde]

Thanks for pointing out something I couldn't quite put my finger on. She was making up possibilities to Bouthillier during her cross. This is NOT how a forensic psychiatrist paid to get information should be testifying IMO.

I think you may be right and we may find out when we hear from the first psychiatrist that was sent to speak to him during the rebuttal. We've already heard hints that the story has changed somewhat.

MOO

She's making it up as she goes along and putting words into LM's mouth
How is this even allowed?? Isn't this all hearsay? lM hasn't had to take an oath swearing to tell the truth, and there's no way of even knowing how.accurate her memories of the interviews are or what are LM's actual words vs her interpretation. And she admitted that she's giving evidence that isn't in her report! No wonder people are campaigning for new rules about expert witnesses to be brought in in Canada. IMO the interviews should have been recorded and entered as evidence.

Also, if she really tried to.find people who saw LM before the murder to question, did she try to find the Colombian? My guess is they knew his testimony would NOT help the defence team so they never tried to speak to him.

 

[BorgQueen]

I am still wondering WHERE THE HECK IS MANNY?!

Also, whose number DID he call after the murder?