Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

[Kamille]

I assume the 70 year old man paid LM to accompany him. A client rather than a boyfriend.

Well if he exists, and is a client, LM was travelling with him as well as moving to New York and travelling to Miami while being abused by Manny during his 11/2yr "stable" relationship with some other man. Must have been quite the understanding partner.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
Break is over. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 12m12 minutes ago
Getting the jury. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Jury is back. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 10m10 minutes ago
Next Crown rebuttal witness is lead detective Michel Bourque. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 9m9 minutes ago
#Magnotta trial back. Next Crown witness is once again Mtl police investigator Michel Bourque. He was called by defence earlier today.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 9m9 minutes ago
Crown wants more info on text messages involving number used by #Magnotta between Mar 12-May 25, 2012.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 8m8 minutes ago
Which messages looking for? Related to drug consumption or drug related or requests for drugs. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 7m7 minutes ago
Bourque tells court how he went through #Magnotta cell messages, looking for anything related to drug consumption. Jury gets copy of texts.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Crown and defence done with witness who went over a series of text messages April 30, May 4, 11, 20, 2012. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Wow...I guess we're never going to hear about those texts. :gaah:

 

[Kamille]

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
New witness: Sgt Detective Francis Derome, testifying on name of drugs #Magnotta was apparently ordering

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Next witness Sgt Det. Francis Derome. Cop for 21 years. Drug squad. Has testified in court before. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Asked to analyze aforementioned text messages for drug terms. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says part of the job. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 58s58 seconds ago
Witness says different terms are used because in streetdrug world in case of wiretaps or cops listening. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 32s33 seconds ago
Witness says terms often re-used. Judge declares witness as expert in street drug terminology. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

I guess we ARE going to hear about the drug texts anyway.

Funny that the dealers and buyers use slang to throw off LE and there is an officer in the drug squad on the stand who is an expert on their slang. :giggle:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
"Gram of blow"- caller wants to know if he can get cocaine. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
"Weed" - cannabis. "420"-marijuana, number represents the drug. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
Derome explains that "blow" is slang for Cocaine. "Weed" and "420" slang for pot #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 32s33 seconds ago
"pow"- cocaine, (powder)."popper"-on free market. "7 g of new dimension or white rhino"- types of marijuana. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 49s49 seconds ago
7g? 1st quantity usually 1g. 7g is usually first quantity for one day. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Sgt Det Francis Derome testified in #Magnotta re the drugs he ordered by text. Weed, Pow. words used on street for marijuana and cocaine

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 53s54 seconds ago
Crown done. Defence wants to address issue out of presence of jury. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Leclair asks jury to leave. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

So it sounds like he was ordering both marijuana and cocaine in those texts.

But he doesn't do street drugs. Pffft. :notgood:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Legal discussion over. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury back. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence wants sgt detective's report and wants it read aloud. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says texter(#Magnotta) is user of cannabis but no other drug.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s43 seconds ago
Witness says #texter asking for 1 g of blow, #Magnotta says doesn't use cocaine. "I don't do drugs, sorry."

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness reads that #Magnotta asks for weed, to which respondant says doesnt have any. #Magnotta asks for # of delivery person.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta declined buying cocaine. He said he didn't do that. Wanted pot.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s46 seconds ago
Witness reads that texter asks #Magnotta if he takes drugs, to which he replies, only pot.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s43 seconds ago
Witness reads that texter wants only weed and booze, to which #Magnotta says wants good weed.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 53s53 seconds ago
#Magnotta’s texts he wants good weed

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 48s48 seconds ago
Witness reads next msg, #Magnotta doesn't know person who wants 420 (weed).

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s46 seconds ago
Witness reads msg where #Magnotta asks what time can meet, seller asks who is this, #Magnotta replies meeting place is Atwater, name Luke.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 34s35 seconds ago
#Magnotta sets up meeting with s.o. he thought was dealer to meet at Atwater. person writes wrong number

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s56 seconds ago
Witness reads message where #Magnotta was texting wrong number, then texts right number.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness reads nxt msg #Magnotta calls seller to say will contact at 4 pm. What need? 7g. New dimension or white rhino?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta orders 7 g. new dimension or white rhino? type of cannabis. what you gave me last time was good, haven’t tried those

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta answered "What you gave me last time was good."

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
7 g equals about 14 to 21 joints, according to cop testifying #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness reads nxt msg: #Magnotta asked if he has or wants marijuana, texter says not today. Defence done.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness done. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

I have no idea what any of that ^^ implies. It makes no sense to me. Other than LM was either a user or a dealer or both. Can't figure out what those texts are trying to say.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Next witness psychiatrist Dr. Gilles Chamberland. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Crown wants witness to testify as forensic psychiatrist. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 5m5 minutes ago
Prosecution now calling Dr Gilles Chamberland, a forensic psychiatrist expected to attack the conclusions from the defence #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 5m5 minutes ago
Dr Chamberland works at Pinel as director of professional services #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness is part time professor. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness going over cv. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
Chamberland going over his CV. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness psych since '95. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says keeps credentials/teaching up to date. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says wrote a few articles. At Pinel since '95, went to work elsewhere for 5 years inbetween. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s43 seconds ago
Witness does about 3-4 consultations a week. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says has done more than 3000 legal expertises. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 34s34 seconds ago
Witness has done more than 500 testimonies in court. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Crown done with questions. Defence's turn. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
For 100+ court testimonies done for homicide cases, about half for the defence, esp at beginning of career. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Defence done. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Judge qualifies witness as expert in forensic psychiatry. Break. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Okay...so here is the "expert" for the Crown. Let's see what he has to say after the break.

This may be the last witness according to some of the tweets. If that is the case, this could be wrapped up before December? Why was the judge telling the jury it could go to the first week of December?

Again...was LM going to testify? How long did they figure that was going to be if so?

:thinking:

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

Paul Chamberland has been giving interviews about LM since 2012!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

A SUMMARY:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...fore-killing-psychiatrist-testifies-1.2849623

 

[Rayemonde]

Okay...so here is the "expert" for the Crown. Let's see what he has to say after the break.

This may be the last witness according to some of the tweets. If that is the case, this could be wrapped up before December? Why was the judge telling the jury it could go to the first week of December?

Again...was LM going to testify? How long did they figure that was going to be if so?

:thinking:

MOO

How long was Allard on the stand? 5 days was it? Plus time for legal arguments without the jury, then closing arguments.

 

[Kamille]

How long was Allard on the stand? 5 days was it? Plus time for legal arguments without the jury, then closing arguments.

Well how long should Allard have been on the stand is more the question. But then again, she was testifying for about 4 different people, including LM, so I guess we have to take that into account.

I think the Crown will be pretty quick with their questioning of this expert, heck they got his whole CV in and had him sworn in as an expert in much less than the hour and a half it took LeClair to go over Watt's CV. So I guess it's up to LeClair as to how long this one will be on the stand.

Isn't there a time limit for closing arguments?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Paul Chamberland has been giving interviews about LM since 2012!

Really? That doesn't bode well for an "expert" witness. Where has he been interviewed? :notgood:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
Break over. Everyone's back. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
Dr. Gilles Chamberland asked for counter expertise in this case. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says followed case since defence started its evidence. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. Gilles Chamberland is latest Crown witness. He was called on to do a counter-expertise of #Magnotta mental illness.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says must be careful in giving opinion on defence expert witness reports, careful not to give firm answer. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Chamberland’s nine-page report filed. Says he’s not able to have definitive opinion because never met with #Magnotta.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
But witness can give his opinion. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
So #Magnotta refused to meet with you? Yes, what I was told.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Chamberland has listened to the expert testimony from psychiatrists that testified for the defence. Was usually in overflow room #magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says evaluation is the crux of opinion but in this case, there are a lot of versions. #Magnotta

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
Dr Chamberland's report on #Magnotta comes with major caveat: he never got to assess him

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta didn't want to meet with him. Complicates his work. Jury will have to consider this

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
Dr. Chamberland compiled a report, but he wasn't able to officially diagnose #Magnotta because #Magnotta refused to meet with him.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta refused to meet with Chamberland.

 

[Kamille]

You know, if a defendant wants to pursue a NCR defense, it should be a requirement that they are assessed by a completely neutral party and that the interviews are recorded.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness asked about schizophrenia. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness says it's been described in this case as complex, and not for nothing. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Witness says talked about panic attacks,anxiety attacks,personality disorders, drug use, alcohol, weed, meds, and faking illness. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta case is a course in psychiatry in itself, Chamberland says. A very complex case

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says two main "categories" in this case: 1-accused suffered from schizophrenia or personality disorder. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
2-accused hospitalized for past dozen yrs, diagnosed with schizophrenia but involved drug use, prompting personality disorders. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Two things in this case: personality disorder and schizophrenia #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 3m3 minutes ago
Chamberland says #Magnotta case could be a complete course in psychiatry - it includes so many elements and possible disorders.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Don’t necessarily have to be psychotic to commit the acts #Magnotta committed. Could be mentally ill

Do you necessarily have to be psychotic to commit these actions,crown asks. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says no. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness adds you can be can be criminally responsible and schizophrenic. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 3m3 minutes ago
Chamberland says he finds it hard to see schizophrenia as the illness that explains all of #Magnotta behaviour before & after killing.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness says he had access to DVDs and docs provided in trial and medical reports. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
Schizophrenia usually appears in men in late adolescents and comes with and neg symptoms, Chamberland says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says two kinds of symptoms for schizophrenia: positive and negative. Positive are the ones you see most of. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Just because voices are heard, doesn't mean one has lost touch with reality. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Positive symptoms would be the ones leading to psychosis, ie loss of contact with reality, hallucinations. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 46s47 seconds ago
Visual hallucinations more rare than auditory hallucinations, mostly heard in ears and not in head. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 46s47 seconds ago
Another positive symptom: delirium. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 41s42 seconds ago
Other positive symptoms but more strange: telepathy, stealing thoughts, TV sending messages. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
If #magnotta was harassed by animal rights group, and he was afraid, that would be totally normal

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 37s38 seconds ago
And feeling afraid that police are recording conversations and cameras filming him, that's not necessarily unusual either #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Negative symptoms? More specific to schizophrenia. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 23s23 seconds ago
Negative symptoms would see people lose part of capacity to function after psychotic episode. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
Interpersonal relationships suffer, as do ambition, hygiene, vocabulary, Chamberland says #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
Negative symptoms see people ambivalent, negligent, not caring about appearance, diminished vocabulary. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
That's it for today. Back tomorrow with more from Dr. Gilles Chamberland. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

And here is the other view of how a person with schizophrenia typically reacts. How about when someone wants to go with a NCR defense the entire jury is made up of psychiatrists who can spend weeks deliberating the evidence before them? And just maybe they'd be considered "educated enough" to go over the years of internet evidence on the defendant's behaviour as well.



MOO