Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

[Kamille]

3. He's being paid by the prosecution. He's being paid just as much as Allard and Watts were.

4. He likes to get his name in the paper, and he'd already 'diagnosed' LM and was giving interviews about it before LM was even arrested.

I think you guys are being too hard on Dr tan, too. From what I can remember, the worst thing be ever did was give LM about 5 Viagra tablets in the 8 years or so that he was seeing him. He didn't prescribe him any psychotropic drugs at all. Not sure about Canada but here your specialist Dr (eg psychiatrist or neurologist or oncologist) would write to your GP and tell them all the meds you are on and everything. They do NOT just take your word for. Your GP needs to know what you are on so he doesn't accidentally prescribe something that will cause a fatal interaction. Why just assume that there was no liaison between the gap and the psychiatrists?

According to Tan he had no communication with LM's psychiatrist and everything in his report was again self reported by LM.

The Toronto doctor said he did not have access to Magnotta's psychiatric records and all the information in his files came directly from the accused.

Tan said during the time he treated Magnotta, the accused was receiving financial aid from the Ontario disability support program, though he told the doctor he was working as an actor and model, and later, as an escort.

So this doctor also knew that LM was receiving financial aid from the taxpayers of Ontario at the same time as living the "high flying glamorous life of an actor, model and escort". But never thought to report this to the ODSP? Or at least discuss it with his psychiatrist to see if there was any truth to it? Dr. Tan is a walk in clinic doctor, not a GP with a family practice.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...e-was-being-watched-doctors-testify-1.2822156

 

[Dane]

According to Tan he had no communication with LM's psychiatrist and everything in his report was again self reported by LM.

Throughout this whole trial, LMs life story and event of things, those two words are key. Self reported. LM has had ample time and opportunity to build up his back story... just by telling any doctor / psychiatrist about his purported "symptoms". I am definitely going for the (narcissistic) histrionic personal disorder diagnosis, as per Dr. Chamberland. LMs goals throughout the years have been for monetary gain, and later on, for backup of his "case" so he would go free in any trials against him.
While putting on a helluva good show.

It all still comes down to his lust for fame and notoriety. As in LUST. A need he has to fulfil, regardless of the victims.
MOO

 

[andreww]

Its really difficult to make a decision on this case. Many visits to doctors but no long term history with a single doctor. Why? If Magnotta was serious about feeling better, why wouldn't he see one doctor for an extended period? Possibly because its easier to con a new doctor? Is it at all possible that this guy has always aspired to be a killer and that he was just setting up a defence for himself the whole time? Or was this just a charade designed to secure himself long term welfare benefits due to a mental condition? Has he ever had a legitimate job?

It would have been very interesting to hear all these doctors opinions of Magnotta if no crime had ever taken place. Im sure their diagnosis would be completely different. I almost feel like they are exaggerating his symptoms because its a feather the their caps to have studied "the most complex mental health patient ever". Its not a doctors responsibility to call BS on a patient. Magnotta is a resourceful guy, was aware of mental health symptoms from his father, and probably spent countless hours researching symptoms online.

As the trial goes on it seems that every single doctor concedes that LM is mentally ill. Even the prosecution witness thinks that there is at least some mental illness. So I think the jury is going to have a very tough decision to make. The prosecution seems to be at a disadvantage here because all they can present is the facts of the murder, but Magnotta has already admitted to that. They have had no opportunity to have their own doctor interview Magnotta, so all they can do is refute what the defence doctors have testified to, which appears to be a difficult task.

 

[Kamille]

If I was on the jury, I'd wonder why LM refused to speak with a prosecution psychiatrist? If he was really ill and suffering from psychosis at the time of the crime, and it was obvious, then all of the doctors who interviewed him and studied his behaviour both before and after the crime would have come to the same conclusion and there wouldn't have been a need for a trial.

MOO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

"OVER-ACTING":

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...acting-than-schizophrenia-doctor-tells-court/

:jail:

 

[Kamille]

Luka Magnotta didn't act like a schizophrenic person, psychiatrist says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...izophrenic-person-psychiatrist-says-1.2852607

 

[matou]

So the jury was off yesterday?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

So the jury was off yesterday?

Yes. Jury/trial returns on Monday.

 

[Little Jedi]

Thanks all you guys & gals for keeping us all up-to-date with the 'psycho-babble' supposed Murder Trial
I'm keeping/catchin-up with y'all when I get the chance, so good work with the Tweets !

Have a Great Thanksgiving !

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

TRIAL CONTINUES - MONDAY 1ST DECEMBER, 2014:

https://twitter.com/sleecjad


*I don't know who's tweeting the trial today, so I just put S. Lee's link*:blushing:

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
I am in #Magnotta, Day 37. Jury not here yet.

 

[Kamille]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 17m17 minutes ago
#Magnotta trial is sitting today but we've started with legal discussions in the absence of the jury. This could take awhile.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

These poor jurors! When I recall Christmas shopping in my beautiful Montreal I feel even worse for them. Such a lovely city; hard to believe this has happened in "my city". (I don't mean to imply it would be any better somewhere else. It's simply horrific........)

:jail:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

THE CONTRADICTIONS:

http://www.cjad.com/cjad-news/2014/11/30/magnotta-murder-trial-week-nine

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 38m38 minutes ago
Still legal args in #Magnotta without the jury so I can't tell you what's happening. Stand by...

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 13m13 minutes ago
#Magnotta on break till 11:05

 

[Kamille]

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 2m2 minutes ago
Jury is finally called in at #Magnotta trial. Dr. Gilles Chamberland, psychiatrist hired by the Crown, continues his testimony.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
We are back in #Magnotta. The Crown's psych expert, Gilles Chamberland, is back on the stand

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta wasn't socialized until the age of 12, Chamberland says. Has personality disorder

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 41s41 seconds ago
Person with personality disorder could commit horrific act without actually being sick, Chamberland says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Chamberland says not only is there personality disorder, #magnotta is narcissistic

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM · 2m2 minutes ago
Le Dr Chamberland ouvre le DSM-V, sorte de bible des psychiatres, afin d'expliquer les troubles de la personnalité. #Magnotta

Translation: Dr. Chamberland opens the DSM -V, a sort of bible of psychiatrists to explain the personality disorders . #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
Trouble personnalité limite: Il y a 9 critères possibles, mais il en faut 5 pour pouvoir poser disgnostic -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Borderline Personality Disorder : There are 9 possible criteria, but it takes 5 to make diagnosis -Chamberland #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
Efforts to avoid real or perceived abandonment; viewing people in extremes either perfect or bad are 2 signs of BPD. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 2m2 minutes ago
Chamberland re: borderline disorder. Feeling ppl either good or bad. Says seen in #Magnotta when talks of mum (bad), grandmother (perfect)

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Did #Magnotta move a lot because he was paranoid or because he thought things would be better elsewhere? Chamberland asks

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 58s59 seconds ago
Autre critère: impulsivité. #Magnotta par ex déménageait souvent, en pensant que la vie serait mieux ailleurs -Chamberland

Translation: Other criteria : impulsiveness. #Magnotta moved often , thinking that life would be better elsewhere -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
Le changement de nom de #Magnotta peut s'expliquer "plus facilement" par trouble de personnalité que par schizophrénie -Chamberland

Translation: The #Magnotta name change can be explained "easier" by personality disorder rather than schizophrenia -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Autre critère pour trouble personnalité limite: comportement suicidaire récurrent. Or c'est documenté pour #Magnotta -Chamberland

Translation: Other criteria for borderline personality disorder : recurrent suicidal behavior. Now it is documented to #Magnotta -Chamberland

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Episodes of depression and mania, but would return to normal relatively quickly, Chamberland says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Another criterion is chronic feeling of emptiness. BPD people try to fill that void with extreme sports, sex etc. #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 33s33 seconds ago
Autre critère pour personnalité limite: sentiment de vide et idées paranoïdes lorsque l'individu est stressé -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Other criteria for borderline personality : feeling empty and paranoid ideas when the individual is stressed -Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 58s59 seconds ago
Pour des individus avec trouble limite, un peu de cocaïne ou de cannabis peut entraîner de tels épisodes de psychose -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: For individuals with borderline disorder, some cocaine or cannabis can cause psychosis -Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 58s58 seconds ago
"Pour moi, on a assez d'éléments" pour considérer #Magnotta comme souffrant d'un trouble de personnalité limite -Chamberland

Translation: "For me, it was enough evidence" to consider #Magnotta as having a borderline personality disorder -Chamberland

 

[Kamille]

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 32s32 seconds ago
Chamberland parle maintenant du trouble de personnalité narcissique. Il explique les critères pour le déterminer. #Magnotta

Translation: Chamberland speaking now of narcissistic personality disorder. He explains the criteria to determine this. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 24s25 seconds ago
Witness says #Magnotta also has narcissistic personality disorder. Shows feeling of self-importance, propelled by low self-esteem.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 45s45 seconds ago
Person. narcissique: Ce sont des gens qui se considèrent exceptionnels, engendré par un manque d'estime de soi -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Narcissistic person : These are people who consider themselves exceptional, caused by a lack of self-esteem -Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 1m1 minute ago
Ex: #Magnotta aspirait à être reconnu comme acteur, dit Chamberland. Disait: "I belong to L.A" par exemple

Translation: Eg: #Magnotta aspired to be recognized as an actor, Chamberland said . Said: "I belong to L.A" for example

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 9m9 minutes ago
Chamberland: #Magnotta also had 2nd criterion - success fantasies. Said he didn't belong in Toronto, but rather in LA. Idolized movie stars.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 48s48 seconds ago
Narcissists need to be admired, and may relate to stars (#magnotta liked Sharon Stone, Marilyn Monroe)

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 42s43 seconds ago
They lack empathy and are unable to identify with feelings of others. #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 7m7 minutes ago
Other narcissistic traits Chamberland noted in #Magnotta: sense of entitlement, need for admiration.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 10m10 minutes ago
Trouble narcissique: l'envie et la jalousie sont aussi des critères. Tout comme manque d'empathie et l'arrogance -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Narcissistic disorder : envy and jealousy are also criteria . As lack of empathy and arrogance -Chamberland #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 9m9 minutes ago
Autre trouble de personnalité du groupe B: personnalité antisociale. Chamberland explique ce qu'il en est, critères, etc. #Magnotta

Translation: Other personality disorder group B : antisocial personality . Chamberland explains what it is , criteria, etc. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 8m8 minutes ago
Chamberland talking about antisocial personality disorder. Impulsive, reckless disregard for safety of self and others #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 7m7 minutes ago
Lack of remorse is hard to evaluate because could only be done after arrest, Chamberland says #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 5m5 minutes ago
Chamberland on antisocial disorder criteria he sees in #Magnotta: impulsive behaviour, repeated lies or deceit/use of aliases.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
Jury going out in #Magnotta. Legal issues to be discussed

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 10m10 minutes ago
Jury is coming back now #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Chamberland résume: pour lui, #Magnotta a troubles personn. du groupe B, histrionique et narcissique, avec éléments limite et antisocial

Translation: Chamberland summarizes : for him, #Magnotta has personality disorders. Group B , histrionic , narcissistic , antisocial and borderline

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 5m5 minutes ago
For Chamberland, #Magnotta has mainly histrionic & narcissistic personality disorders, w/ elements of borderline. Some antisocial traits too

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
Chamberland parle maintenant de la sexualité dans la vie de #Magnotta. Très présent dans sa vie, y compris lors du délit

Translation: Chamberland now talking about sexuality in the life of #Magnotta . Very present in his life , including the offense

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
Can't talk about this case without discussing sex, Chamberland says. actor, escort, relationships, crimes he committed #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 5m5 minutes ago
#Magnotta pouvait être excité par sexualité hors norme (paraphilie), dont pratiques sado-maso, bondage, etc. -Chamberland

Translation: #Magnotta Could be excited by sexual practices ( paraphilia ) whose sadomasochistic practices , bondage , etc. -Chamberland

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 4m4 minutes ago
On peut considérer que qqun choisit son travail en fonction de ses intérêts. Semble être le cas de #Magnotta avec paraphilie -Chamberland

Translation: Can we consider that someone chooses his work according to his interests. Seems to be the case with paraphilia #Magnotta -Chamberland

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
Chamberland is now talking about paraphilia, atypical sexual interests. Says you can't escape the sexual element in #Magnotta case.

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 3m3 minutes ago
Chamberland note que le plaisir de voir souffrir provenant du sadisme n'est pas nécessairement sexuel #Magnotta

Translation: Chamberland noted that the pleasure of seeing suffering from sadism is not necessarily sexual #Magnotta

François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 2m2 minutes ago
Ex: Pour qqun qui souffre d'un trouble de sadisme, peut être intéressant de voir vidéos, par ex. sur sites gores -Chamberland #Magnotta

Translation: Eg: For someone suffering from a sadistic disorder, may be interested in videos, gory sites - for example - Chamberland #Magnotta

Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM · 3m3 minutes ago
Objection de la défense alors que le psy s'apprêtait à parler des vidéos de chats morts. Et pause lunch. #Magnotta

Translation: Defense objection when the therapist was going to talk about the videos of dead cats . Break and lunch . #Magnotta

salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta witness: sadism doesn't need sexual element. He starts to talk about cat torture videos - but defence has objection. Lunch break.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 6m6 minutes ago
Lunch break in #Magnotta