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[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

0 is my answer

 

[cami]

0 is my answer

That wasn't the question. You didn't ask how many, you asked "where do you bury the survivors." So, 0 is your answer to where? Bwaaaaaaaaa.
:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec: :slap:

 

[cami]

Hey! I'm telling! You cussed!

I did????? Wash my mouth out with soap. Here I'll give you the Canadian word for it so you'll know when I use it so I don't have to cuss. "bum" Darlie was trying to cover her bum.....LOL, just not the same is it. How about "arse" we use that too.

 

[beesy]

0 is my answer

0 is not a place, the answer is nowhere

 

[beesy]

Exactly what I SAID THE OPERATOR PUTS THE IDEA IN HER HEAD. This gave Darlie an appropriate distraction to her inability to deal with the fact that her babies were butchered, and she wasn't.

[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:52:13 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...no ...he ran out ...uh ...they ran out in the garage ...I was sleeping...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:54:09 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:56:19 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...my babies over here already cut ...can I (unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:59:29 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darin Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible) phone is right there...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:01:28 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:03:01 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]RADIO[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:05:02 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...ya'll look out in the garage ...look out in the garage ...they left a knife laying on...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:08:21[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]RADIO[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:09:19 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...there's a knife ...don't touch anything...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:11:18 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...I already touched it and picked it up...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:12:05 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]RADIO[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...10-4...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:15:20 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...who's out there ...is anybody out there..[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif].[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:16:07 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Police Officer[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible)...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]04:17:06 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...I don't know ...I was sleeping...[/font]

[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:00:04 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...ma'am..[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:00:22 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...what ...what...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:01:15 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...need to let the police officers in the front door...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:04:21 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...(unintelligible) his knife was lying over there and I already picked it up...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:08:19 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...ok ...it's alright ...it's ok...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]05:09:20 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...God ...I bet if we could have gotten the prints maybe ...maybe[/font]

Please note that Officer Walling is first heard on the tape at 03:45:19. So he witnessed her running around whining and wailing for nearly 2 mins. while her son lay alone on the floor dying. How did the OP put the idea into her head when Darlie mentions the knife first?​

 

[beesy]

Okay - I'm going to play the devil's advocate for a minute.

In a society that has OJ Simpson, Law & Order and a general fascination w/ sensational murder cases - I CAN understand why she said she had touched the knife and maybe ruined the prints. Besides, it was the 911 operator who told her not to touch the knife in the 1st place - Darlie is not the one who brought it up.

This was in 1996. There wasn't as much media fascination with forensics as there is now. You're assuming Darlie watched the OJ trial, that she watched Law and Order. I don't think any of the cool shows like Forensic Files were on yet. But, yes, fingerprinting has been around a long time and even a dummy should know not to touch a weapon, but there was no need for her to be so upset about it at that moment. Then later in the hospital, as well. Darlie was really concerned about it.
I've forgotten if it was Dr. Lee or who, but they said a guilty person will explain away evidence before they are asked about it. Darlie did the same thing when she saw the blood on the UR door. She said "it might be my blood but I didn't put it there" without being asked about it. When she saw they'd taken the kitchen sink, she "remembered" she had been wetting towels for the boys' wounds. Nobody asked her why there was cleaned up blood in and around the sink. She told them before they could.

 

[Goody]

You don't "bury" survivors.

Are you sure? I was thinking there was a serial killer once........:croc:

 

[Goody]

This was in 1996. There wasn't as much media fascination with forensics as there is now. You're assuming Darlie watched the OJ trial, that she watched Law and Order. I don't think any of the cool shows like Forensic Files were on yet. But, yes, fingerprinting has been around a long time and even a dummy should know not to touch a weapon, but there was no need for her to be so upset about it at that moment. Then later in the hospital. Darlie was really concerned about it.
I've forgotten if it was Dr. Lee or who, but they said a guilty person will explain away evidence before they are asked about it. Darlie did the same thing when she saw the blood on the UR door. She said "it might be my blood but I didn't put it there" without being asked about it. When she saw they'd taken the kitchen sink, she "remembered" she had been wetting towels for the boys' wounds. Nobody asked her why there was cleaned up blood in and around the sink. She told them before they could.

I am reading the bond hearing testimony again. Darin never once told police that Darlie wet towels until August 28th at the Bond Hearing. By then, they have revamped their story to fit possible blood evidence. By then he had gone through several police interviews so it sticks out like a sore thumb. He also insists that Darlie opened the front door to let the police in. I don't know why but something about his wording just makes me feel he is afraid to admit when he went out that front door, esp who was first to touch it. He knows that Waddell knows he was out in the yard but he still lies about it. Bugs the heck out of me. Why does he not revamp this part of his story? Also, he mentions slow motion but very quickly without describing it at all. By then he could have learned that victims say they see things in slow motion. Without any description from him, it is hard to know if it is real or just something else he throws in to make himself more believable.

O, and about that sink...when Darlie and Darin are in the house for the first time, they go with Det Frosch. Darlie sees the sink is gone and tells Darin who is in the fam room by the glass sliding doors, "Remember when I threw those towels to you?" She doesn't say a word then about wetting them. She claims that she picked up a stack of them and threw them into the fam room toward Darin and Devon. (Springer book) This didn't make it to trial though because Frosch did not testify at trial because of the wiretapping charges Mulder was making against him and Patterson. Still reading though...maybe Frosch will say something in the Bond Hearing.

 

[beesy]

I am reading the bond hearing testimony again. Darin never once told police that Darlie wet towels until August 28th at the Bond Hearing. By then, they have revamped their story to fit possible blood evidence. By then he had gone through several police interviews so it sticks out like a sore thumb

Neither D mentions the sink in their first hand-written statement either, which was taken before the walk-thru. So Darin threw in the wet towels at the Bond Hearing? When did she first say it?

He also insists that Darlie opened the front door to let the police in. I don't know why but something about his wording just makes me feel he is afraid to admit when he went out that front door, esp who was first to touch it. He knows that Waddell knows he was out in the yard but he still lies about it. Bugs the heck out of me. Why does he not revamp this part of his story? Also, he mentions slow motion but very quickly without describing it at all. By then he could have learned that victims say they see things in slow motion. Without any description from him, it is hard to know if it is real or just something else he throws in to make himself more believable

In "In Her Own Words" Darlie says she opened the door to scream for Karen/Darin, which is way before Waddell arrived. So, like you said, why do they get iffy about that? Could it be because Darin was running around in the yard? Probably. And as usual, they make Waddell the liar or the idiot, whichever way you want to look at it.

O, and about that sink...when Darlie and Darin are in the house for the first time, they go with Det Frosch. Darlie sees the sink is gone and tells Darin who is in the fam room by the glass sliding doors, "Remember when I threw those towels to you?" She doesn't say a word then about wetting them. She claims that she picked up a stack of them and threw them into the fam room toward Darin and Devon. (Springer book) This didn't make it to trial though because Frosch did not testify at trial because of the wiretapping charges Mulder was making against him and Patterson. Still reading though...maybe Frosch will say something in the Bond Hearing.

Ok, that's right. I just checked my Springer book and she says Darin gave her a blank look when she said that. They hadn't written their script yet. Wet or dry that was the first time she mentioned the sink at all. So she was still explaining away evidence before asked about it.
That walk-thru was actually with a psychic and Frosch, remember? She said someone in a van did it. So lets run with that, shall we?

 

[justice2]

This was in 1996. There wasn't as much media fascination with forensics as there is now. You're assuming Darlie watched the OJ trial, that she watched Law and Order. I don't think any of the cool shows like Forensic Files were on yet. But, yes, fingerprinting has been around a long time and even a dummy should know not to touch a weapon, but there was no need for her to be so upset about it at that moment. Then later in the hospital. Darlie was really concerned about it.
I've forgotten if it was Dr. Lee or who, but they said a guilty person will explain away evidence before they are asked about it. Darlie did the same thing when she saw the blood on the UR door. She said "it might be my blood but I didn't put it there" without being asked about it. When she saw they'd taken the kitchen sink, she "remembered" she had been wetting towels for the boys' wounds. Nobody asked her why there was cleaned up blood in and around the sink. She told them before they could.

You know Beesy I almost mentioned that too, no CSI type shows. I remember some FBI profiller shows, like 3 or 4 in a row Saturday night. One was where the FBI profiler was a lady and she was being stalked by Jack, I think. But they really weren't CSI. They were problem-solving shows but not so heavy on physical evidence.

 

[justice2]

In "In Her Own Words" Darlie says she opened the door to scream for Karen/Darin, which is way before Waddell arrived. So, like you said, why do they get iffy about that? Could it be because Darin was running around in the yard? Probably. And as usual, they make Waddell the liar or the idiot, whichever way you want to look at it.

Is this possibly when the neighbor across the street (William Gorsuch) with the open windows was partially awakened? Before the police got there and he was fully awakened by Darin yelling at the police?

 

[beesy]

Is this possibly when the neighbor across the street (William Gorsuch) with the open windows was partially awakened? Before the police got there and he was fully awakened by Darin yelling at the police?

Well I know that the neighbor confirms Waddell's statement that Darin was outside when he arrived. But, Darlie opened the front door to scream for Karen/Darin before that(she says). I say Karen/Darin, because it sounds much more like Darin to me than Karen. Both swear it was Karen though. If Darin had dashed out of the front door to make the sock dump, maybe Darlie was worrying that he would not be back in time. He was probably panicking too, maybe even hearing the sirens already. So she screams "Darin", but neither D would want anybody to know Darin was outside, right? If you listen to the tape without reading the transcript, you'll hear it and not even wonder if it's Karen or Darin. But even if she is saying "Karen" we know Darin was outside when Waddell showed up and we know she yelled "Karen/Darin" before that. Where I'm going with this is that I think Darlie woke him up. Then by the time he looked out the window, he saw Darin in the yard with Waddell. There are two witnesses who aren't convicted baby killers or a supporter of one, against a baby killer and her supporter. What does that mean? Darin was in the yard, but both lie about it. Why? He was doing something sneaky.

 

[feenix]

An airplane crashes on the border of Canada and the US. 150 people are on board. The plane is destroyed in the fire as well as the luggage of the passengers. All airline paperwork that indentifies who the passengers are is also destroyed. :laugh: Where do you bury the survivors.[/QUOTE]

Sorry Jane, I can't resist this, Cami is right - "Where" is not the same as "How Many". :croc:

 

[St3phanie]

There's no statute of limitations on murder, but Darlie has to give herself up if she squeals on Darin. I guess that could be her parting shot at him. Personally, I think he'd better hold tight to his "boys", if you know what I mean. :dance:

Ha ha, Beesy! That's some good advice!

 

[Goody]

Neither D mentions the sink in their first hand-written statement either, which was taken before the walk-thru. So Darin threw in the wet towels at the Bond Hearing? When did she first say it?

I am reading Det. Patterson's testimony now and she didn't mention them to him at the hospital or in his follow up interviews so far. I think she first says it at the trial though because once she was arrested, she wasn't talking officially. No one at the trial ever said when she first mentioned wet towels to friends and family.

In "In Her Own Words" Darlie says she opened the door to scream for Karen/Darin, which is way before Waddell arrived. So, like you said, why do they get iffy about that? Could it be because Darin was running around in the yard? Probably. And as usual, they make Waddell the liar or the idiot, whichever way you want to look at it.

Yes, they do. Even in the bond hearing Darin is trying to make Waddell out to be useless at the crime scene. He claims Waddell didn't tell him to do anything, that he took it upon himself to attempt CPR and that he checked both boys before help arrived. Another interesting thing...Darin didn't remember in the bond hearing when exactly he went after the Neals.

Ok, that's right. I just checked my Springer book and she says Darin gave her a blank look when she said that. They hadn't written their script yet. Wet or dry that was the first time she mentioned the sink at all. So she was still explaining away evidence before asked about it.

Don't forget the statements about her not being in the utility room "no matter whose blood that was." I don't think the psychic was there that time, b ut I could be wrong. I do remember Frosch's descriptions thru Springer were a bit humorous where the psychic was concerned....(and her son with the rope belt.)

In the bond hearing, Darin talks about what people do when they are in shock and relates it to slow motion and time moving very slow, etc. I am beginning to doubt his claims that he saw things in slow motion now. This is one of the things that made me lean toward believing him. That and that moment on the curbing.

That walk-thru was actually with a psychic and Frosch, remember? She said someone in a van did it. So lets run with that, shall we?

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Ah, there is always a van, isn't there? Or a mysterious black car.

 

[Dani_T]

Please note that Officer Walling is first heard on the tape at 03:45:19. So he witnessed her running around whining and wailing for nearly 2 mins. while her son lay alone on the floor dying. How did the OP put the idea into her head when Darlie mentions the knife first?

Beesy- where do you get it from that Walling was first heard that early?

 

[beesy]

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Yes, they do. Even in the bond hearing Darin is trying to make Waddell out to be useless at the crime scene. He claims Waddell didn't tell him to do anything, that he took it upon himself to attempt CPR and that he checked both boys before help arrived. Another interesting thing...Darin didn't remember in the bond hearing when exactly he went after the Neals

So, who is this Darin?
03:35:02 911 Operator #1...is your name Darlie...
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:36:11 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...yes...[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:36:26[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...this is her..[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif].[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:37:09 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...is your husband's name Darin..[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif].[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:38:22 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...yes ...please hurry ...God they're taking forever...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:41:20 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...there's nobody in your house ...there was ...was...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:44:05 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]911 Operator #1[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...you don't know who did this...[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:45:19 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Police Officer[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...look for a rag... [/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:46:11 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Darlie Routier[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...they killed our babies..[/font]
[font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif].[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]03:48:03 [/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]Police Officer[/font][font=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, san-serif]...lay down ...ok ...just sit down ...(unintelligible)[/font]

Don't forget the statements about her not being in the utility room "no matter whose blood that was." I don't think the psychic was there that time, b ut I could be wrong. I do remember Frosch's descriptions thru Springer were a bit humorous where the psychic was concerned....(and her son with the rope belt.)

Springer says it is with the psychic, Frosch and Peterson. Springer says Darlie whined to Dana "that might be my blood, but I didn't put it there" I love that line. Flesh and Blood pages 123-124

That and that moment on the curbing

Yeah, he seems almost human then.

 

[beesy]

Beesy- where do you get it from that Walling was first heard that early?

From my fried brain and tired fingers.:bang: I meant Waddell. Too many W's and D's

 

[Dani_T]

From my fried brain and tired fingers.:bang: I meant Waddell. Too many W's and D's

Ok Cool.

And don't forget too many K's as well - the paramedics

 

[beesy]

Ok Cool.

And don't forget too many K's as well - the paramedics

Aren't there some P's too?