LYONS AUDIO TAPES and BS VIDEO GONE? Discussion with R HORNSBY here

[fay]

What gets me, is why does Williams only apply to defendants and not witness'.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Being a victim of rape myself the tapes of AL are repugnant to me. She obviously has never been the victim of a sexual crime. You can bet your last buck that if she ever was her work would take a 180 degree turn. She is a disgrace to all women. She works for the dark side in my book.

What I would love to know from AL (and know I will never know), maybe RH can give me his honest opinion is how the defense attorney feels (since AL believes so highly in human feelings and her ability to manipulate them), when she/he succeeds and gets the accused but guilty murderer off and they kill again? Is there any feeling of remorse? Responsibility? Or are they able to live with themselves just fine as long as the murderer who walked doesn't kill any of their loved ones?

For the record I don't fear RK walking the streets--but the threat of KC walking the streets again is frightening. I wonder how RH, JB, or AL would feel if Caylee had been their grand daughter. moo

Thank you Doogiesgirl for your post, the first paragraph in particular, although all of it, I wholeheartedly agree with. Ms. Lyons comments hit me hard too, I am a rape victim as well. I can't remember the last time I have been this mad over comments made by anyone. Talking openly about my past is not something I do often, but your post gave me the courage to do so here, thank you.

 

[celticthyme]

The ends justify the means.
Whoever obtained those videos did us a huge public service.

Exactly! She wants to spew all these vile tactics to her fellow attorneys,instruct them just how to blame the victim & drag in the innocent, protect the killer, charge them for it, and then vow them to "secrecy" so future jurors and the public can't get a window into their disgusting, unethical behavior.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Thank you Doogiesgirl for your post, the first paragraph in particular, although all of it, I wholeheartedly agree with. Ms. Lyons comments hit me hard too, I am a rape victim as well. I can't remember the last time I have been this mad over comments made by anyone. Talking openly about my past is not something I do often, but your post gave me the courage to do so here, thank you.

I do not talk about it either SFT in the 20 years since it's happened. I can say what happened but that's it. We are now kindred sisters who understand something I am sure both of us wish we couldn't. All the destruction it causes in lives/ and the holes it leaves in the soul. Much love to you. I hope you were able to deal with it better than I was. moo

I wonder is AL's daughter ever had to face that---what would her stance be then?

 

[celticthyme]

Since MS Lyons is down in the neighborhood, perhaps she should just jump right in and defend Mario Andretti McNeil for raping and murdering 5 year old Shaniya Davis, right up her alley. Put him & Casey in the same cell. Let the games begin!

 

[mydailyopinions]

Since MS Lyons is down in the neighborhood, perhaps she should just jump right in and defend Mario Andretti McNeil for raping and murdering 5 year old Shaniya Davis, right up her alley. Put him & Casey in the same cell. Let the games begin!

She would alright...she would call it consensual:banghead: or wrong ID!:banghead:

 

[amethyst221]

Exactly! She wants to spew all these vile tactics to her fellow attorneys,instruct them just how to blame the victim & drag in the innocent, protect the killer, charge them for it, and then vow them to "secrecy" so future jurors and the public can't get a window into their disgusting, unethical behavior.

And yet, who knew she'd turn out to be the Princess and the Pea of the criminal defense bar, whose delicate sensibilities are so offended by meany, aggressive women who are prosecutors.

 

[doogiesgirl]

From Twitter - Tweeted by Hornsby
Bill Sheaffer is given option of resigning from the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers or being expelled. http://bit.ly/4zx3FN

I don't understand----why would they ask BS to resign or be expelled? What am I missing? moo

 

[Mamabear1963]

She would alright...she would call it consensual:banghead: or wrong ID!:banghead:

or focus on his groing up years.....:banghead:

 

[Intermezzo]

Ms Lyons' focus is NOT justice for the victim, IMO she has no care or concern about the victim... it is about getting her client the least possible punishment.
And from what we have seen, heard and read recently she will throw another under the bus in order to accomplish that...:twocents:

I haven't yet commented on her DP seminar performance that we heard yesterday.
I found her sexual comments at the DP conference as content unwarranted for a professional seminar, unprofessional for her as a "Pioneer", tactless, classless, ugly, vicious,....and most definitely NOT humorous.

:twocents:

 

[Tulessa]

I don't understand----why would they ask BS to resign or be expelled? What am I missing? moo

Scoot over.

 

[Intermezzo]

Too bad if Andrea Lyon or the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers don't want anyone but them to hear the audiotape of Andrea Lyon's speech. It's out there. I heard it and so did a lot of other people. You can't put "ugly" back in the Pandora's box!

So WFTV took the audioclips off their station's web site. Once it was posted to Youtube anyone could download it using something like Real Player.

In today's tech savvy world, who would make a public speech in 2008 front of a group of people and assume that there's some sort of innate privacy? Andra Lyon knew that her speech was being audiotaped, she even joked about it after her crude comments about women lawyers. But I bet she's embarrassed that the speech has come out. I'll bet that speech gives more insight into who she is than she intended. Too bad. She should have thought about that before she gave it!

Andrea Lyon even has her own Youtube channel where she's posted 2 videoclips of herself talking to an audience of students so give me a break about how private her speeches are.

:clap:
BBM
So true.

 

[wenwe4]

I don't understand----why would they ask BS to resign or be expelled? What am I missing? moo

There has been quite a bit of discussion on this thread about this very thing. RH is alleging the professional association is quite upset the AL audio tape of her dp conference in front of defense atty's, has been leaked. RH furthered that he notified the organization himself that BS is the one that leaked the tape to KB.

 

[doogiesgirl]

So are you saying that it was RK who taught Casey how to write fraudulent checks?

Or for that matter why not JB--isn't this in his past also? The writing of bad checks? moo

 

[Intermezzo]

I agree...and might I add,
When you inject yourself into a case such as this where the world revolves around the BS that is spawn, instead of justice for a little girl who lost her life unfairly, then by all means you as well are all game to whomever wants to dig into your past, your words and your character.
Least when Belich reported this, she didn't come out and say that Lyons considers jurors killers, she allowed the world to listen to it with their own ears.
To me, this is a good reporter...find the story and report it.
Just the simple thought that ANY defense attorney would claim a rape as consensual just because...well uh...it makes me sick!
I can't even begin to imagine how the hell she will spawn away 31 days.:sick:

BBM
MS Lyons did not inject herself into this case in order to obtain justice for the murder of Caylee Anthony..
A Victims Advocate she is not :twocents:

I agree she is also fair game to whomever wishes to investigate her as well..especially since she also plays and most likely instigates that vicious game.

I pray that she is never the victim of a sexual attack...for her own words may come back to bite her.

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks to Angel for posting this in the updates thread.

*More at link!

Casey Anthony: WFTV's Bill Sheaffer answers latest criticism from TV analyst
posted by halboedeker on Nov 24, 2009 11:02:58 PM
<snipped>
Sheaffer issued a statement to me tonight: "As your readers have seen over the past several days, one way to obfuscate the truth and shift focus from damning facts it to create a straw man upon whom to lodge false allegations. It is an unfortunate, but sometimes effective, way of creating a diversion orchestrated to cause confusion and to divert attention from the core issues.

It looks as if Hornsby has a fight, all right. What do you make of that?

Article:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent...y+%28TV+Guy%29

 

[Hell's Belle]

No, you are not confused. I have not listened to the audio - but I have read the transcription of the "killers" part WFTv included in their online story.

(The above looks like I clip quoted, but I didn't) I think you would get a better idea of what folks are steamed up about if you listened to the whole thing. That way you have the whole context. It won't take that long, and you can be speaking from a position of actual knowledge. I think it's a little coy to claim other's aren't seeing the context when you're read only an excerpt. (I didn't react to it the same way most here are reacting, but that's just me.)

It looks like any member of the public can order a copy of AL's lecture from the FACDL's website (although I haven't tested the order form to see if it asks me if I'm an association member). That being the case, the real beef with the information being released appears to be more financial on the part of the organization--or simple bad publicity--rather than a disclosure of "confidential" information.

You haven't addressed the question of your own possible bias against WFTV and Shaeffer because WFTV *apparently* dumped you as a commentator and hired Shaeffer?

Finally, something that has always bothered me is your release of your advice to Baez. I'm not going to launch a detailed work product analysis here, but how was that proper, and how did it not violate your listserv's TOS?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What is most interesting about your thoughts are not that they are true - but the questions they raise in the people who hear them.

These types of questions are necessary to ferret out my true credibility. If I can ultimately withstand your attacks and still come out credible - then I have survived.

And my point of that analogy is to show your question of me is exactly what Mr. Baez's job is of Mr. Kronk. They need to cross-examine and explore every questionable motive, financial incentive, or bias he has in front of the jury.

If Mr. Kronk satisfactorily answers those questions, Mr. Baez has raised no doubts in a jurors mind - but, if Mr. Kronk does not answer those questions convincingly; well the jury may be left with questions about his veracity and credibility.

But keep it up, hopefully I can prove that while I am guilty of being a jerk, I am nonetheless an honest jerk.

While I respect your answer, Mr. Hornsby, I disagree. I disagree b/c that's like saying we should all be investigated if one of us on this site happen to come across an interesting tidbit that helps to convict or exonerate a perp. I personally think it's deplorable that a volunteer, or even somebody that follows a hunch or instinct, is having the finger pointed at him in such a manner. This is absolutely ridiculous. Caylee is DEAD and it makes me sick to think of all the lawyers, media outlets, and people in general making money off of this fatality. One on-air personality even got her own show being aired on a daily basis, instead of a couple times a week like it used to be, shortly after Caylee's case was initially reported. I wonder what the difference in revenue is from when Caylee's case started getting coverage (everyday) compared to before when was reported "missing"? Blog wars started & people don't even care about what somebody has to say if they don't agree with them. Gone is the respect. Gone is the dignity.

I applaud BS for doing the right thing. I disagree with him handing over a private piece of material that helps him be a criminal defense attorney, b/c it goes against his bond or oathe with the FACDL. It's comparable to a high-up executive or ceo sharing pertinent business data with a competetor. I don't, however, disagree with his reason for doing so. If the FACDL allows this type of teaching, then I personally believe they should be investigated. I do wonder if any rights have been violated in allowing some of these teachers or speakers to say the things they did. I know if I were a parent with a child in law school, or having paid for my child's schooling & he chose to become a defense attorney - I'd be po'd if I helped to fund for a class such as this! I agree with both sides of lawyers, we'd never find justice if we didn't see both sides. I disagree when certain ethics are being taught to violate rights! It's deplorable. For crying out loud, if a professor can be reprimanded for arguing why he believes cannabis should be legal, then surely the same should apply for the vermine who try to teach defense attorneys in capital cases to go to any means to prevent their client from receiving the dp - including throwing innocent people under the bus! What about if Kronk is innocent - we all know he is - well, would Lyon fight tooth & nail for him? I doubt it!

I've followed your reporting for some time now. I like the difference in opinions. I respect that. As a matter of fact, I agree with you on several issues in Casey's case. I really wish you wouldn't have messed with this man's career. That seemed so beneath you. In my 15 y/o son's words, that's waaay harsh, man.

 

[doogiesgirl]

There has been quite a bit of discussion on this thread about this very thing. RH is alleging the professional association is quite upset the AL audio tape of her dp conference in front of defense atty's, has been leaked. RH furthered that he notified the organization himself that BS is the one that leaked the tape to KB.

Wa wa wa

Does he need some cheese to go with his whine? moo


TY--BTW

 

[wenwe4]

I think this is has become a do/don't shoot the messenger to the 3rd power. Lemme get this straight,
1) AL speech to a dp defense atty audience contains vile and vulgar references to judges, female prosecutors, jurors, and others.
2) BS talks to KB about these tactics (messenger)
3) TV station links to actual audio tapes (messenger)
4) RH gets mad tapes are leaked out of DP defense atty realm, notifies professional org. alleges BS leaked tapes (messenger?)
5) Pro org asks tv station to take down audio, tv complies
6) RH comes here & blogs about incident (messenger?)