MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[Bobbywoo]

No, in hindsight, I think you're batting 100. LE must have put a guard on MM as soon as Sprinsky tipped them off and while they were tracking down RB.

Myself, I would have had a hard time keeping my hands off RB's throat. I wonder if we will see a replay of what she told JA and lots of crocodile tears if she is put on the stand. She's the master of deception and manipulation. She and CA could be sisters!!

Hell, if he wasn't guarded, he may have had the better part of a whole state and beyond wanting to put their hands on his throat

 

[bestill]

I've been away from the thread. Are there current mug shots of RB and MM showing formal charges? Just curious.

 

[heartgoesout]

""They complained even though they made good money. 25 % of their wage for one child.

My hubby would tell him how lucky they were as only 100% of his money went for his family. He had no compassion for these guys whatsoever. You play, you pay.""


Great quote from your husband, human.

 

[heartgoesout]

A couple of people asked what happened to JA's wife/girlfriend in Florida. She apparently died in a car crash. I don't think it's an appropriate topic for discussion as he's not a suspect and it doesn't have anything to do with Bella, but that's apparently what happened.

I am so sorry to hear this.

 

[Bootsctr]

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/09/26/baby-bellas-case-a-challenge-for-massachusetts-governor/
[h=1]Baby Bella’s case a challenge for Massachusetts governor[/h] Before being elected, Charlie Baker responded to child deaths by demanding state agency resignations; now he's blaming policy.

So many innocent lives lost... No answers. Even foster care is not dependable to protect the child. :sigh: What is the answer?

 

[Bravo]

Thanks for all the updates folks. Too many to thank. I see some new faces :welcome:

 

[Steleheart]

I m pretty sure this story was linked a while back but here is what JA said about not calling and what DA Conley said about that;

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/...anges-mind-blames-mother-for-daughters-death/

"Amoroso claims Bond confessed to him Thursday night, the day before Bond was arrested. He did not contact authorities.
“I didn’t have to. The authorities were all over the investigation. The warrants had already been sent out. They were all over this case,” he said.
Suffolk County District Attorney Dan Conley says charges won’t be brought against Amoroso.

“We can perhaps say that he’s morally culpable. He certainly should have picked up the phone and done something earlier,” Conley said. “But from a criminal responsibility point of view, there aren’t statutes that would be applicable here.”

Not sure if I buy that. I wonder if they are waiting for him to talk some more about arriving in August and whether he knew anything then.

MOO

 

[Bravo]

I must say in getting caught up I am shocked JA has had a "change of heart" :thinking:

 

[Bootsctr]

I've been away from the thread. Are there current mug shots of RB and MM showing formal charges? Just curious.

I haven't seen any new ones - still the grinning RB and spaced out MM.

 

[wondering25]

I m pretty sure this story was linked a while back but here is what JA said about not calling and what DA Conley said about that;

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/...anges-mind-blames-mother-for-daughters-death/

"Amoroso claims Bond confessed to him Thursday night, the day before Bond was arrested. He did not contact authorities.
“I didn’t have to. The authorities were all over the investigation. The warrants had already been sent out. They were all over this case,” he said.
Suffolk County District Attorney Dan Conley says charges won’t be brought against Amoroso.

“We can perhaps say that he’s morally culpable. He certainly should have picked up the phone and done something earlier,” Conley said. “But from a criminal responsibility point of view, there aren’t statutes that would be applicable here.”

Not sure if I buy that. I wonder if they are waiting for him to talk some more about arriving in August and whether he knew anything then.

MOO

Unless he is a mandatory reporter.. nurse, doctor teacher etc. what possible crime did JA commit by not reporting RB? Neighbors, friends etc knew TB was abusing the baby and they never reported it and child abuse is a crime. Not morally nice but not a crime to not report a crime. If i am a clerk in a store and i see someone shoplift i am under no duty (except to my employer). I dont have to report it. These are all crimes.. JMO

Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[Bobbywoo]

I must say in getting caught up I am shocked JA has had a "change of heart" :thinking:

I wonder if it is a sincere change of heart? Or if he's simply playing to the media?

 

[Fernymom]

I'm not caught up at the moment but just Wanted to add an opinion real quick. I've seen over and over again how Rachelle looks evil and mean. How they can't imagine her letting MM control her, and it was more likely she bossed MM around. I feel strongly the same way. I knew Rachelle about 20 yrs ago. We were not close or even friends but just acquaintances. But she was mean! I never felt comfortable around her. Compared to the rest of us, she was very rough. Loud, rude and mean. She just had the attitude that she would kick your butt if she didn't like something about you.
I just can't see her being pushed around by anyone, never mind MM.

 

[cvaldez1975]

He didn't sign the affidavit, and she didn't pursue it hard because the $ would go to social services.

Predators, abusers, and sociopaths know how to manipulate. Maybe he made big promises and convinced RB he was something he wasn't.

I wonder how the grandmother and her BF ,or is it husband , could get custody? First of all, there is no record that JA is the father. And gmom and her hubby were homeless so I wonder about their history.

I do wonder how JA got out of child support and why. I cannot believe it is not a requirement that the father must be identified. Where I lived, it did not matter if the mother said there were 20 possibilities.

I wonder if she said she was a prostitute and did not know in order to get money directly fom JA.

Where I live, the money goes to the county. There may be $50 cash that goes to the mother. I forget

 

[cvaldez1975]

Be careful w your seed, that what I tell my sons.

I do think custody and support is a broken system. I don't agree w automatic custody to mom. We deal w A very half mom who got primary for who knows what reason.

Predators, abusers, and sociopaths know how to manipulate. Maybe he made big promises and convinced RB he was something he wasn't.

I agree with that. Or another cute trick is that the fathers quit jobs and work under the table. My hubby had to deduct money for child support from people that worked for him. Court ordered.

They complained even though they made good money. 25 % of their wage for one child.

My hubby would tell him how lucky they were as only 100% of his money went for his family. He had no compassion for these guys whatsoever. You play, you pay.

Even if the guy cannot pay now, his name is known and any money csn be attached, even money made while in prison.

There is no reason taxpayers should pay for these children , although we do and must when there is no choice. And I am a left winger! We cannot have children paying the price of adult's poor choices. That is why I believe in sterilizing those that will not take care of their children. You can play, but you do not get to ctreate children as if they are puppies in a puppy mill.

I harp and harp on this, but why should these people create children that get to live in hell?

 

[Bootsctr]

I'm not caught up at the moment but just Wanted to add an opinion real quick. I've seen over and over again how Rachelle looks evil and mean. How they can't imagine her letting MM control her, and it was more likely she bossed MM around. I feel strongly the same way. I knew Rachelle about 20 yrs ago. We were not close or even friends but just acquaintances. But she was mean! I never felt comfortable around her. Compared to the rest of us, she was very rough. Loud, rude and mean. She just had the attitude that she would kick your butt if she didn't like something about you.
I just can't see her being pushed around by anyone, never mind MM.

Oh my! You actually knew RB! I feel for you! She looks like a bully! I'm so glad she's behind bars. I think A LOT of people are glad she is behind bars now. Thanks for responding!

 

[Angelcolev]

I'm not caught up at the moment but just Wanted to add an opinion real quick. I've seen over and over again how Rachelle looks evil and mean. How they can't imagine her letting MM control her, and it was more likely she bossed MM around. I feel strongly the same way. I knew Rachelle about 20 yrs ago. We were not close or even friends but just acquaintances. But she was mean! I never felt comfortable around her. Compared to the rest of us, she was very rough. Loud, rude and mean. She just had the attitude that she would kick your butt if she didn't like something about you.
I just can't see her being pushed around by anyone, never mind MM.

Just getting caught up, thanks everyone for all the updates and new links, timeline, etc.
Ferny- thank you for your insight! I am one of those who was in the camp re: RB knows more than what we've been told and I do think MM, even in light of the new articles about him ( whole other point but I do wonder if the stories are completely accurate.. JMO that a few bucks given to many of the type of ppl that were interviewed would change their minds to say/speculate/ whatever the reporter(s) were aiming at), I still believe RB was the ringmaster.
On the topic of MM and the new articles about them.. Did anyone also think perhaps this is all being done in an effort for him to use an insanity defense? of course that is only speculation by me.
As far as JA goes... IMHO, I'm sorry but I don't believe a word he says. It's not surprising to me that his tune as changed.. Maybe he wised up to RB's lies and manipulation, maybe he didn't, maybe since common opinion doesn't believe her as far as they could throw her, he is now having " doubts.. I don't know exactly, but IMO something with him is still " off".

 

[cvaldez1975]

I don't see the parallel, never have.

CA was comfty and privileged, spoiled. RB pretty much never had any hope. Yes, both irresponsible but they weren't close to the same background.

Predators, abusers, and sociopaths know how to manipulate. Maybe he made big promises and convinced RB he was something he wasn't.

I agree with that. Or another cute trick is that the fathers quit jobs and work under the table. My hubby had to deduct money for child support from people that worked for him. Court ordered.

They complained even though they made good money. 25 % of their wage for one child.

My hubby would tell him how lucky they were as only 100% of his money went for his family. He had no compassion for these guys whatsoever. You play, you pay.

Even if the guy cannot pay now, his name is known and any money csn be attached, even money made while in prison.

There is no reason taxpayers should pay for these children , although we do and must when there is no choice. And I am a left winger! We cannot have children paying the price of adult's poor choices. That is why I believe in sterilizing those that will not take care of their children. You can play, but you do not get to ctreate children as if they are puppies in a puppy mill.

I harp and harp on this, but why should these people create children that get to live in hell?

This whole case reminds me too darn much of another baby that was blessed with a pitiful excuse for a mother. I'm hoping this baby gets the justice that baby CA didn't get.

 

[human]

He didn't sign the affidavit, and she didn't pursue it hard because the $ would go to social services.

The govt goes after the father if someone receives services like RB did. There is no choice, The taxpayers are not expected to pay although it ends up we do often.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Affidavit and that's what they offer at the hospital to add the father. He wasn't there anyways.

Predators, abusers, and sociopaths know how to manipulate. Maybe he made big promises and convinced RB he was something he wasn't.

I agree with that. Or another cute trick is that the fathers quit jobs and work under the table. My hubby had to deduct money for child support from people that worked for him. Court ordered.

They complained even though they made good money. 25 % of their wage for one child.

My hubby would tell him how lucky they were as only 100% of his money went for his family. He had no compassion for these guys whatsoever. You play, you pay.

Even if the guy cannot pay now, his name is known and any money csn be attached, even money made while in prison.

There is no reason taxpayers should pay for these children , although we do and must when there is no choice. And I am a left winger! We cannot have children paying the price of adult's poor choices. That is why I believe in sterilizing those that will not take care of their children. You can play, but you do not get to ctreate children as if they are puppies in a puppy mill.

I harp and harp on this, but why should these people create children that get to live in hell?

This whole case reminds me too darn much of another baby that was blessed with a pitiful excuse for a mother. I'm hoping this baby gets the justice that baby CA didn't get.

Not in MA. A while back someone here posted a flyer on establishing paternity in MA. The father has to fill out a form at the hospital when the baby is born or later fill out some other gov paperwork.

Another article had some official saying since JA hasn't been established as the biological father yet the body would not be released to him. Maybe that is why they say it will take a couple of weeks for the body to be released.

 

[Bobbywoo]

I've been away from the thread. Are there current mug shots of RB and MM showing formal charges? Just curious.

I am very curious to see how they clean up for the trial.