MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[justwannahelp]

IDK, but could these be their mugshots in this article?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...lice-execute-search-warrant-article-1.2365659

The link isn't working for me but if it's her smiling in front of blue background then it's probably the old one. His old one is him with a ponytail with his mouth open like a guppy

 

[Sonya610]

NOT saying he should get a lesser charge due to insanity. Not even saying he's insane. I think he knows right from wrong.

But it sounds like he though demons were in a lot of things- not just Bella. He told someone a sorcerer pulled out black beads from his dog or something weird like that.

She recalled an argument on a medical transport van in which he challenged her Catholic faith with homespun demonology, pockets full of crystals, and a belief that he could communicate with the dead.

Once, he said, the dog was hit by a car, only to be revived by a sorcerer who summoned ominous black beads out of Bailey.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ong-descent/9UPZB7U1kHjsDEi96BebyH/story.html

That sounds like a new-age faith healer doing psychic surgery, not a "sorcerer summoning black beads" to me. The pockets full of crystals fit in with psychic surgery and other new age practices, if he was buying crystals and books on the occult he probably visited new age shops and met psychics/healers.

He demanded that the History Channel be paused during programs about Nazis, so he could ramble about the demonic symbology buried in the images.

Symbology "buried" in the images? The swastika wasn't exactly "buried". They make his ramblings about the occult sound like the work of a deranged mind seeing connections and making up theories about "demons" out of thin air. There are numerous books and documentaries linking the Nazis to the occult and those theories were widespread even back in the 1940's.

I think MM was eccentric, he was probably better educated and much better read than the junkies he hung out. When he rambled on about topics they didn't understand they interpreted it all as "satanic".

Another small discrepancy, some articles talk about him holding a "matted little dog" while others stated he frequently shaved the little dog down even if he didn't wash his own hair. I hope the latter is true as that shows he did take care of the animal.

 

[Amonet]

I'm not surprised at all JA has changed his mind.
He was told a story. Why wouldn't he believe it.
The majority on here believes RB did it until we start hearing how effed up MM is and then it's like wait a minute what is going on?? Maybe doe eyed MM is evil without the scaly skin.

It might be very hard to believe you made a baby with someone who was capable of killing that same baby. Plus he says he fell for her story due to the track marks on her neck, which supposedly showed that she was being held hostage by MM.

Her own sister didn't believe she was wholly innocent and I think the sister knew her better than JA did.

We can conjecture about these things until the trial, but at the end of the day it's what comes up in the trial that will matter, and I hope both RB and MM get severe sentences for what they put that baby through!

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate. It's hard to say things when he's not under suspicion, he might not be our favorite person of the year but he's not under suspicion.

Without seeing the birth certificate, we don't know what's written on it, and either way it doesn't pertain to the crime.

Whether JA ever met Bella, whether he kept in touch for news of her, whether he paid child support, or whatever the story is there, he's not under suspicion of killing her, and it is her death that has brought us all here.

He's not the only one who ever slept with a woman without a solid relationship and then left either before the baby was born or shortly after. For some of those men (where the woman has custody) it can be very hard to maintain a relationship, especially with a baby that can't even talk to them properly on the phone. When the absent parent lives in a different state and doesn't have money to go back and visit, then that's an added difficulty. Lots of people are living like this, and whether they're trying or not, their babies don't end up murdered! This child has, but he's not the murderer. JA's story is not an impressive one....but on the other hand due to someone else taking that child's life, he no longer has a chance to change that and make it up to Bella. I'm not trying to start a pity party for JA, I'm just saying that his part (or lack of) in Bella's life is not the crime that caused her to have a thread here. I can be unimpressed with his part as 'father' while still feeling no one deserves to get the news their baby has been mistreated and is now dead they'll never see her again.

 

[Sonya610]

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate.

A name on a birth certificate does not qualify as proof, the father has to fill out paperwork at the hospital or go to court.

Makes sense, otherwise plenty of unwed mothers in the ghetto would likely list a high paid celebrity as the "baby's daddy" hoping they can get some cash and/or attention and that would cause a legal nightmare.

 

[osu]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/30124429/bella-bonds-grandmother-calls-mother-a-liar
[h=3]Bella Bond's grandmother calls mother a liar[/h]

Quinn said Bond showed up at her house last Thursday night with her son, Joe Amoroso, and said they had something to tell her.

"She was crying and she said you are going to hate me… you will hate me," said Quinn.

The next morning when news broke that police had identified Bella as Baby Doe, she Amoroso and Bond were all watching the news together. Shortly after, investigators came and arrested Bond.

"She was just arrested and didn't have a chance to say a word," she said.

 

[justwannahelp]

It might be very hard to believe you made a baby with someone who was capable of killing that same baby. Plus he says he fell for her story due to the track marks on her neck, which supposedly showed that she was being held hostage by MM.

Her own sister didn't believe she was wholly innocent and I think the sister knew her better than JA did.

We can conjecture about these things until the trial, but at the end of the day it's what comes up in the trial that will matter, and I hope both RB and MM get severe sentences for what they put that baby through!

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate. It's hard to say things when he's not under suspicion, he might not be our favorite person of the year but he's not under suspicion.

Without seeing the birth certificate, we don't know what's written on it, and either way it doesn't pertain to the crime.

Whether JA ever met Bella, whether he kept in touch for news of her, whether he paid child support, or whatever the story is there, he's not under suspicion of killing her, and it is her death that has brought us all here.

He's not the only one who ever slept with a woman without a solid relationship and then left either before the baby was born or shortly after. For some of those men (where the woman has custody) it can be very hard to maintain a relationship, especially with a baby that can't even talk to them properly on the phone. When the absent parent lives in a different state and doesn't have money to go back and visit, then that's an added difficulty. Lots of people are living like this, and whether they're trying or not, their babies don't end up murdered! This child has, but he's not the murderer. JA's story is not an impressive one....but on the other hand due to someone else taking that child's life, he no longer has a chance to change that and make it up to Bella. I'm not trying to start a pity party for JA, I'm just saying that his part (or lack of) in Bella's life is not the crime that caused her to have a thread here. I can be unimpressed with his part as 'father' while still feeling no one deserves to get the news their baby has been mistreated and is now dead they'll never see her again.

Agreed.

 

[matou]

So when was the sleeping by the water then? The night before?

 

[justwannahelp]

Someone on the board here knows Rachelle from way back when.

One of my online friends knows BioDad from about ten years back and her words towards him are not kind.

Small world.

RB and MM have now been in custody for just over a week. RB should be through the worst part of detox now. MM is another story- he's got a complicated medical history and those abscesses may have required extensive treatment.

Wonder if they are getting any visitors and more importantly what they might be saying during phone calls and visits, all of which is most likely being carefully recorded. Something tells me not many people will come to visit them, but if anyone does, my gut tells me that Rachelle is going to keep repeating her story.

Yes. Mm was taken back to the hospital after the arraignment. He was bandages up pretty thick. They never said which jail RB was going to. And still no mugshots.

 

[justwannahelp]

IDK, but could these be their mugshots in this article?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...lice-execute-search-warrant-article-1.2365659

I think those are old. I'm guessing Mm doesn't have one since he's being held in the hospital?? I still haven't read which jail or prison RB is at- just that she's being held on 1 million bond.

 

[wondering25]

It might be very hard to believe you made a baby with someone who was capable of killing that same baby. Plus he says he fell for her story due to the track marks on her neck, which supposedly showed that she was being held hostage by MM.

Her own sister didn't believe she was wholly innocent and I think the sister knew her better than JA did.

We can conjecture about these things until the trial, but at the end of the day it's what comes up in the trial that will matter, and I hope both RB and MM get severe sentences for what they put that baby through!

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate. It's hard to say things when he's not under suspicion, he might not be our favorite person of the year but he's not under suspicion.

Without seeing the birth certificate, we don't know what's written on it, and either way it doesn't pertain to the crime.

Whether JA ever met Bella, whether he kept in touch for news of her, whether he paid child support, or whatever the story is there, he's not under suspicion of killing her, and it is her death that has brought us all here.

He's not the only one who ever slept with a woman without a solid relationship and then left either before the baby was born or shortly after. For some of those men (where the woman has custody) it can be very hard to maintain a relationship, especially with a baby that can't even talk to them properly on the phone. When the absent parent lives in a different state and doesn't have money to go back and visit, then that's an added difficulty. Lots of people are living like this, and whether they're trying or not, their babies don't end up murdered! This child has, but he's not the murderer. JA's story is not an impressive one....but on the other hand due to someone else taking that child's life, he no longer has a chance to change that and make it up to Bella. I'm not trying to start a pity party for JA, I'm just saying that his part (or lack of) in Bella's life is not the crime that caused her to have a thread here. I can be unimpressed with his part as 'father' while still feeling no one deserves to get the news their baby has been mistreated and is now dead they'll never see her again.

There is a LOT of room for reasonable doubt in this case. 2 strung out druggies pointing fingers at each other, or at the very least one of them who claims he wasnt even there and thought Bella was with DCF. I cannot think of ONE THING that would convince me who the actual murderer was.. Can you? RB will not come over as believable and she isnt charged with murder either (so far) and her word saying MM did this alone but she stood by and watched or saw and did nothing and then helped dispose of the body sounds disingenuous. No One is going to believe a strung out, prostitute, mother who fails to protect her child.. even through the indignity of refrigerating her and throwing her in a bag in the ocean. MOO

JA is no hero but he didnt murder anyone nor is he charged with anything. He is a stupid, screwed up man who is going to have sex with whatever is available and MAYBE had enough "class" ( yikes) to defend the mother of his dead baby.. at least initially.

We cannot relate to these people. They are not in our little world..but they exist. MOO

RB's story will keep changing slightly.. IMO. MM will keep his mouth shut. RB will be discredited on the stand during MM's trial and reasonable doubt is born. As for JA..if he can stay clean and stop being an attention he might be salvageable. They will make mince meat out of him, and DCF on the stand too. Everyone and everything will be on trial bedsides MM and RB. Count on it. JMO

Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[BUF]

It might be very hard to believe you made a baby with someone who was capable of killing that same baby. Plus he says he fell for her story due to the track marks on her neck, which supposedly showed that she was being held hostage by MM.

Her own sister didn't believe she was wholly innocent and I think the sister knew her better than JA did.

We can conjecture about these things until the trial, but at the end of the day it's what comes up in the trial that will matter, and I hope both RB and MM get severe sentences for what they put that baby through!

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate. It's hard to say things when he's not under suspicion, he might not be our favorite person of the year but he's not under suspicion.

Without seeing the birth certificate, we don't know what's written on it, and either way it doesn't pertain to the crime.

Whether JA ever met Bella, whether he kept in touch for news of her, whether he paid child support, or whatever the story is there, he's not under suspicion of killing her, and it is her death that has brought us all here.

He's not the only one who ever slept with a woman without a solid relationship and then left either before the baby was born or shortly after. For some of those men (where the woman has custody) it can be very hard to maintain a relationship, especially with a baby that can't even talk to them properly on the phone. When the absent parent lives in a different state and doesn't have money to go back and visit, then that's an added difficulty. Lots of people are living like this, and whether they're trying or not, their babies don't end up murdered! This child has, but he's not the murderer. JA's story is not an impressive one....but on the other hand due to someone else taking that child's life, he no longer has a chance to change that and make it up to Bella. I'm not trying to start a pity party for JA, I'm just saying that his part (or lack of) in Bella's life is not the crime that caused her to have a thread here. I can be unimpressed with his part as 'father' while still feeling no one deserves to get the news their baby has been mistreated and is now dead they'll never see her again.

I think the discussion has been about all the recent articles of him being interviewed, as he has certainly been making the media circuit.

For me, one fact remains...he did not contact the authorities after RB told him Bella had been murdered, someone else reported it. This sweet innocent child deserved so much more than her short life offered her...and even after her murder she wasn't afforded the respect she deserved.

....

Joseph Amoroso told The Boston Globe that he knew more than a week ago that his young daughter Bella Bond had been killed, but he didn’t go to authorities. Someone else did.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...any-charges/YTA7sJjk2sjnRSFn8wfOPJ/story.html

 

[Sonya610]

"She was crying and she said you are going to hate me… you will hate me," said Quinn.

That sounds like a classic attempt at manipulation to me. Make them imagine the worst possible thing before telling them about a minor incident.

Course in this case it actually was the worst possible thing imaginable.

 

[justwannahelp]

I think the discussion has been about all the recent articles of him being interviewed, as he has certainly been making the media circuit.

For me, one fact remains...he did not contact the authorities after RB told him Bella had been murdered, someone else reported it. This sweet innocent child deserved so much more than her short life offered her...and even after her murder she wasn't afforded the respect she deserved.

....

Joseph Amoroso told The Boston Globe that he knew more than a week ago that his young daughter Bella Bond had been killed, but he didn’t go to authorities. Someone else did.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...any-charges/YTA7sJjk2sjnRSFn8wfOPJ/story.html

Since the latest article was published with Him saying that he didn't need to go to LE- they were "already all over it"- the warrants had already been issued etc. I'm really considering that he was working with LE but is not allowed to say so. Is that ludicrous? I mean to think its possible that LE called him up in Florida and said we need you to go up to boston and coax a confession out of rachelle. Maybe they placed most of the blame on mm so that amoroso wouldn't be hostile towards RB and blow his cover.

If he wasn't working with LE, then why did he go to boston at that time and how did he know the warrants were already issued and that LE was "all over it"?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I'm not caught up at the moment but just Wanted to add an opinion real quick. I've seen over and over again how Rachelle looks evil and mean. How they can't imagine her letting MM control her, and it was more likely she bossed MM around. I feel strongly the same way. I knew Rachelle about 20 yrs ago. We were not close or even friends but just acquaintances. But she was mean! I never felt comfortable around her. Compared to the rest of us, she was very rough. Loud, rude and mean. She just had the attitude that she would kick your butt if she didn't like something about you.
I just can't see her being pushed around by anyone, never mind MM.

We all knew someone like this, the one in the group you'd be least surprised to see in trouble. But this is a whole other level, you and your friends from that time must be in shock!

 

[BUF]

Since the latest article was published with Him saying that he didn't need to go to LE- they were "already all over it"- the warrants had already been issued etc. I'm really considering that he was working with LE but is not allowed to say so. Is that ludicrous? I mean to think its possible that LE called him up in Florida and said we need you to go up to boston and coax a confession out of rachelle. Maybe they placed most of the blame on mm so that amoroso wouldn't be hostile towards RB and blow his cover.

If he wasn't working with LE, then why did he go to boston at that time and how did he know the warrants were already issued and that LE was "all over it"?

The timing could just be coincidence.

 

[Sonya610]

Since the latest article was published with Him saying that he didn't need to go to LE- they were "already all over it"- the warrants had already been issued etc.

I wouldn't go so far as to make him out to be "working with LE" but RB was arrested at his mother's house.

They knew where she was. The mother, or JA, or one of the associates let LE know she would be there.

 

[human]

I am not OK with some guy screwing and getting a woman pg and going on his merry way and giving the bs story that he cannot see his child or talk to her/ him.

Yes, the woman needs to protect herself, but the guy needs to as well. It makes me sick that people create children and then act like children avoiding to oay for the child or see the child, diss the mother they were willing to have sex with, etc.

What I have seen generally is that the woman is looking for love and think that this time the guy will stay with her even if it is shown that number three and four ran away as well.

Did RB think she was going to get love this time from a child who is too young to give the love they expect or did she think that the man would love her? I think everyone on earth wants love. They simply do not understand that love is not like in a fairy tale.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There is a LOT of room for reasonable doubt in this case. 2 strung out druggies pointing fingers at each other, or at the very least one of them who claims he wasnt even there and thought Bella was with DCF. I cannot think of ONE THING that would convince me who the actual murderer was.. Can you? RB will not come over as believable and she isnt charged with murder either (so far) and her word saying MM did this alone but she stood by and watched or saw and did nothing and then helped dispose of the body sounds disingenuous. No One is going to believe a strung out, prostitute, mother who fails to protect her child.. even through the indignity of refrigerating her and throwing her in a bag in the ocean. MOO

JA is no hero but he didnt murder anyone nor is he charged with anything. He is a stupid, screwed up man who is going to have sex with whatever is available and MAYBE had enough "class" ( yikes) to defend the mother of his dead baby.. at least initially.

We cannot relate to these people. They are not in our little world..but they exist. MOO

RB's story will keep changing slightly.. IMO. MM will keep his mouth shut. RB will be discredited on the stand during MM's trial and reasonable doubt is born. As for JA..if he can stay clean and stop being an attention he might be salvageable. They will make mince meat out of him, and DCF on the stand too. Everyone and everything will be on trial bedsides MM and RB. Count on it. JMO

Anything i write is just my opinion.

But how many cases are there every year where a child is killed by mom's boyfriend? What is stopping the boyfriend in any of those cases from blaming mom? And then mom blaming the boyfriend? It does seem like both could blame the other one, but I am positive that thousands of similiar cases have been prosecuted successfully despite that issue. I am genuinely curious as to how the prosecution got past that in other cases. However, I still worry about this case.

 

[human]

Re the mother of JA saying that she would have wanted to get Bella.I serioulsy doubt she was in any position to get to have any child. I think it is all bs grandstanding.

I wonder if the JA family has received any money from kind people?

 

[Sonya610]

But how many cases are there every year where a child is killed by mom's boyfriend? What is stopping the boyfriend in any of those cases from blaming mom? And then mom blaming the boyfriend? It does seem like both could blame the other one, but I am positive that thousands of similiar cases have been prosecuted successfully despite that issue. I am genuinely curious as to how the prosecution got past that in other cases. However, I still worry about this case.

Usually there is obvious evidence of abuse/homicide. Broken bones, or a baby rushed to the ER because "it stopped breathing or fell" and the medical peeps can clearly see/prove the baby died due to violence.

In this case the coroner found NO SIGNS of foul play on the body. Plus the crime scene is months old and BOTH suspects were living there.

I think it really will come down to "her word against his" and her word isn't good at all.

(ETA funny how MM liked to ramble on about demons and other crazy stuff but he didn't ramble to others when he allegedly "killed the demon named Bella". Only RB talked about it and that was months later).