MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[Sonya610]

ANY type of "sleepy-time" stuff is VERY popular with addicts. The other manner of "dealing with youngsters" is to trade off baby sitting coverage

Joypath did you see all of the posts yesterday regarding heroin/asphyxiation/nausea and how it often doesn't show up during a forensic tox screen?

Any thoughts, is it a viable theory?

 

[Amonet]

If RB was telling the truth then put yourself in MMs position.

MM is in a hospital bed, he finds out RB told his friend about the murder. That causes a some stress. Then the POLICE show up to question him about Bella (a whole lot of stress) so he decides to tell them RB is a great person? After she just turned him in and blamed everything on him?

The only reason he would tell the authorities RB is a good mother would be if he thought it would get back to CPS and influence the CPS case. If he thought they were there about a murder praising RB's mothering skills would be the last thing on his mind.

Well I think all of this, plus the way he was shaking his head at some of the allegations during the arraignment hearing, is why so many of us have felt that there might be a bigger chance he's either innocent than we think for RB?

You're right, it doesn't make sense. He already received the texts from MS, so if he know's the jig is up, why not do the same as RB and say he walked in on her and Bella was already dead? Could he not come up with that as a story even after the police question him? But if he genuinely thought Bella was with CPS, then there's no reason to change that story, even if it sounds like the most ludicrous thing to us, because we've known for months that Bella was dead (we just didn't know her name).

If the forensics turns up something that's significantly different from RB's story, maybe the smell of death is in a closet instead of the bedroom, then I think it certainly points to her and this would strengthen a case against her as sole murderer, and that it was murder instead of natural causes or accident. But, if everything checks out, with smell of death in the bedroom and then in the fridge...then what?

What about security cameras on the route from the apartment to the harbor, and at the harbor itself? Would any stores have kept tapes from that far back, in case after dumping the body they go to buy cigarettes or beer?

 

[Bootsctr]

Wouldn't MM have to be tried first? If he is found not guilty how could they convict her for helping him?

Makes sense to me. Thank you!

 

[Bootsctr]

Do we know for sure that this was RB's apt, or could it have been the godmothers house?

Look at that little sweetie in her pink bathrobe on her little pink Hello Kitty chair...breaks my heart every time I see these photos knowing how she was found.

I believe it could be at the godmother's house. Not for sure though.

 

[Mollyandme]

I believe MMs statements to the police imply he really DID think Bella was with CPS.

Bella had been gone for months. MM knew RB was telling people that MM killed the child. He surely knew the police had the body and were conducting a HUGE search for those responsible.

Yet when the police came to question him he said nice things about RB! He said she is a "Good mother" and that the child is "Well care for" !!!!

Obviously MM was sharp witted at that time so why did he say that? RB had turned him in. Wouldn't it make more sense to stick with the CPS story while subtly casting doubt on RB?

He said those nice things because he really believed Bella was with CPS.

Maybe folks will think that was just a "clever ploy" on his part to make himself seem innocent, if that is true then it was the ONLY clever thing in this entire story. If MM were that clever, if he had days/weeks to think about how to dispose of Bella's body he would have come up with a much better plan and the body would never have washed up on the beach.

I think this is highly possible. Fwiw. If it wasn't for the refrigerator or freezer story, which seems like that might be possible based on some of the strange decomposition findings when they found Bella (i believe it had to do with the insects not being consistent with other decomp, but I will have to go back to find Joypaths post about it), I would be squarely of the opinion that RB acted alone. The witness account of RB and MM both being abusive and neglecting Bella along with the demonology aspect is my only other hold up.

At this point I have extreme doubt of a guilty verdict for MM unless there's solid forensics. He was smart to lawyer up right away and has a cast of witnesses against him as it relates directly to his interactions with Bella that will have their credibility destroyed on the stand, including DCF. This is another reason forensics are crucial because I don't think strong circumstantial evidence will get a guilty verdict against MM.

There was a case in the news last spring that was somewhat similar except the child was never missing. Mom and BF were both allegedly severely abusing the child and CPS was involved. The caseworker attempted to see the child the day before the child died but the live in boyfriend wouldn't answer the door so the CPS worker left (no comment unless you want a two page rant). When phone records were examined they found texts between mom and bf from the same time CPS was outside with mom and bf freaking out and mom telling him not to let caseworker in. The next day the child died. Mom was at work and the BF brought the lifeless child to a drs office below their apartment where the dr attempted to save him but it was too late. The boyfriend was charged with murder first and then the finger pointing between mom and BF began. After what seemed like forever, mom was also charged with murder so sometimes it does take longer and the investigation needs to unfold until the proper charges can be filed. The defendants haven't gone to trial yet so I have no clue what will happen but it's just an example that RB may still be facing murder charges of some degree in the next few months but hopefully sooner.

 

[Mollyandme]

YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT HOWEVER, WHY WOULDNT THE MOTHER JUST SAY THAT? Is it because the mother sat on her and not MM? i mean why say he was punching her in the stomach? MOO


Anything I write is just my opinion.

Prob bc she's the one who murdered Bella, IMO

 

[Steleheart]

YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT HOWEVER, WHY WOULDNT THE MOTHER JUST SAY THAT? Is it because the mother sat on her and not MM? i mean why say he was punching her in the stomach? MOO


Anything I write is just my opinion.

I think it's because she knows she sat on Bella and killed her. She was afraid there would be evidence of damage to Bella so she made up the punching story.

MOO

 

[Steleheart]

If RB was telling the truth then put yourself in MMs position.

MM is in a hospital bed, he finds out RB told his friend about the murder. That causes a some stress. Then the POLICE show up to question him about Bella (a whole lot of stress) so he decides to tell them RB is a great person? After she just turned him in and blamed everything on him?

The only reason he would tell the authorities RB is a good mother would be if he thought it would get back to CPS and influence the CPS case. If he thought they were there about a murder praising RB's mothering skills would be the last thing on his mind.

On the other hand - MM is in a hospital bed, the friend is now involved, RB starts to panic thinking MM may tell about Bella so she makes up the story about MM and tells the friend. Then she runs to JA and tells him too. She includes being held against her will (neighbors already refuted that), she finally was able to escape when MM was hospitalized (some 5 months?) He injected her jugular against her will(expertly while she struggled to escape).

RB has a history of manipulating men- MM, JA, various Johns - and alienating women - her sister, mother, JA's mother, etc.
And now LE, Lawyer, etc.

MOO

 

[BUF]

On the other hand - MM is in a hospital bed, the friend is now involved, RB starts to panic thinking MM may tell about Bella so she makes up the story about MM and tells the friend. Then she runs to JA and tells him too. She includes being held against her will (neighbors already refuted that), she finally was able to escape when MM was hospitalized (some 5 months?) He injected her jugular against her will(expertly while she struggled to escape).

RB has a history of manipulating men- MM, JA, various Johns - and alienating women - her sister, mother, JA's mother, etc.
And now LE, Lawyer, etc.

MOO

I think you are correct on this. It does fit the timeline with the information we do have.

 

[Steleheart]

I think MM took the safest route - play Mickey the Dunce and tell the original story RB TOLD him to tell. I think he knew what happened to Bella. I think he knew what was in the bag in the fridge but he stuck to the story even though he knew from the friend she was blaming him for murder.

MOO

 

[Sonya610]

I think MM took the safest route - play Mickey the Dunce and tell the original story RB TOLD him to tell. I think he knew what happened to Bella. I think he knew what was in the bag in the fridge but he stuck to the story even though he knew from the friend she was blaming him for murder.

MOO

I could see that as a possibility if he was sort of in denial/pretending he didn't know what was in the bag. Basically taking the stance of "It isn't my business and I am not going to ask".

But if he helped transport the bag that would change things, I have to think he would have thought things through carefully if she asked him to "help her bury a body".

I think we can believe there were no fingerprints found on the plastic or other surfaces, if there had been both RB and MM have records and would have been traced to them. I just can't imagine what, if any evidence will prove MM did all of this.

 

[Mollyandme]

I think it's because she knows she sat on Bella and killed her. She was afraid there would be evidence of damage to Bella so she made up the punching story.

MOO

^^^this exactly^^^ imo

Ps- sorry I'm posting so much but I start my new job monday and I have been home with my young kids for the past three years so I'm trying to be updated bc I won't be able to even check here with my new job until after the kids are in bed every night, if I'm still awake at that point!

Anyway, I have compassion for most addicts but RB is just manipulative and evil to the core. I currently get more of a paranoid and delusional vibe from MM but I also think he's intelligent and wouldn't be surprised if he has a high IQ, who knows. My friend is a psychologist and we were discussing this the other day and she speculated that based on what she has seen and read, MM might be on the high functioning end of the autism spectrum but she said that was just based on what has been reported and his demeanor in the courtroom (which is hard to really analyze at all bc who knows what meds he was on). She also stated that other mental illnesses like anxiety, depression, OCD, etc are often co morbid with this and many times an individual on the high functioning end of the spectrum will become very interested and focused on certain subjects and spend a lot of time getting all the info they can about the subject or hobby they are into. I found this interesting because of the paranoia and the demonology....

 

[katydid23]

If the State cannot figure out for sure, which one of these two killed this sweet baby, then I hope they BOTH are arrested and charged for her demise. It would be a tragedy if they both walked away from this because of the lies and confusion. I don't see it happening that way though. If they were both present in the apartment while the baby was in the refrigerator then they both deserve to be in prison for a long long time, imo.

 

[BUF]

lonetraveler, I see you are back. Hope all went well with your surgery!

 

[jjenny]

I believe MMs statements to the police imply he really DID think Bella was with CPS.

Bella had been gone for months. MM knew RB was telling people that MM killed the child. He surely knew the police had the body and were conducting a HUGE search for those responsible.

Yet when the police came to question him he said nice things about RB! He said she is a "Good mother" and that the child is "Well care for" !!!!

Obviously MM was sharp witted at that time so why did he say that? RB had turned him in. Wouldn't it make more sense to stick with the CPS story while subtly casting doubt on RB?

He said those nice things because he really believed Bella was with CPS.

Maybe folks will think that was just a "clever ploy" on his part to make himself seem innocent, if that is true then it was the ONLY clever thing in this entire story. If MM were that clever, if he had days/weeks to think about how to dispose of Bella's body he would have come up with a much better plan and the body would never have washed up on the beach.

I am sorry, but how did he know police had he body if he believed child was with CPS? Up till the end he maintained child was with CPS, so where would he think the body came from? If he believed RB was a good mother and child was well cared for (I haven't seen that reported, do you have a link) why would he think CPS took the child? I don't t believe for a second he thought child was with CPS.

 

[Sonya610]

If the State cannot figure out for sure, which one of these two killed this sweet baby, then I hope they BOTH are arrested and charged for her demise.

If they can't prove anything then just RB should be punished for this IMO.

RB knew the child wasn't with CPS, RB was the one that brought up the whole "Bella was murdered" story. RB was most definitely responsible for covering up the girl's death. Those are the things that we know are facts.

At this point there is a fair amount of doubt that MM had anything to do with it, not one known fact proves his involvement.

 

[Sonya610]

I am sorry, but how did he know police had he body if he believed child was with CPS? Up till the end he maintained child was with CPS, so where would he think the body came from? If he believed RB was a good mother and child was well cared for (I haven't seen that reported, do you have a link) why would he think CPS took the child? I don't t believe for a second he thought child was with CPS.

I was saying IF he killed the girl then he would have likely known the police found the body, he already knew that RB had been telling people he killed Bella.

According to the complaint, police interviewed McCarthy on Friday, and he told them that Bond had said the state took Bella sometime around Easter. He didn’t know the details, the complaint said, but he called Bond “a good mother” and described Bella’s living conditions as “safe and appropriate.”

When police told him that his story differed from Bond’s, McCarthy said Bond might be trying to “save her own ,” denied having anything to do with Bella’s death and requested a lawyer.

http://wnep.com/2015/09/21/baby-does-mother-and-moms-boyfriend-to-appear-in-court/

I really hope the police recorded that interview with MM, that will mean a lot. Obviously they let him ramble a while.

 

[BUF]

Did RB even have a car? Did MM have a car (maybe his mothers)? This would probably answer questions if MM was involved.

If RB didn't have a car, she wouldn't have taken the body on a train or by foot.

 

[Inthedetails]

I am sorry, but how did he know police had he body if he believed child was with CPS? Up till the end he maintained child was with CPS, so where would he think the body came from? If he believed RB was a good mother and child was well cared for (I haven't seen that reported, do you have a link) why would he think CPS took the child? I don't t believe for a second he thought child was with CPS.

RB had to have a story to tell people who asked about Bella. Whether she invented the CPS story, or MM came up with that story, or they devised the story together, they BOTH were telling people that Bella was taken by CPS.

I agree with you that MM never believed Bella was with CPS. He knew where she was in the fridge. I think he stayed in the apartment because he had to make sure the crime was eventually covered up. Once they dumped the body, he thought it was all finished and could continue on forever with the CPS story.

 

[katydid23]

If they can't prove anything then just RB should be punished for this IMO.

RB knew the child wasn't with CPS, RB was the one that brought up the whole "Bella was murdered" story. RB was most definitely responsible for covering up the girl's death. Those are the things that we know are facts.

At this point there is a fair amount of doubt that MM had anything to do with it, not one known fact proves his involvement.

IF he was there in the apartment while the garbage bag with the dead baby was in the refrigerator, then he had to know she was not with CPS.

And it seems , according to his life long friend, that he was there and complicit in Bella being put in the closets as punishment. If so, I don't have a lot of sympathy for him. JMO