MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[lauriej]

Trust me, they have the DNA to prove he is the father. No way, no how are they releasing her body to ANYONE without proof. Don't forget she's "their girl" and they're still not going to let anything happen to her.

--we know they have bella's DNA, getting his (even if he doesn't want to produce it) shouldn't be that difficult.

--don't they take DNA when someone is convicted of a felony? if so, florida will have that on file.

 

[verbonica]

--we know they have bella's DNA, getting his (even if he doesn't want to produce it) shouldn't be that difficult.

--don't they take DNA when someone is convicted of a felony? if so, florida will have that on file.

bbm

I'm not sure that he has been convicted of any felonies in Florida... his convictions could all be for misdemeanors.

 

[Amonet]

I was commenting on the photo & Bella.

The rug in the photo is the same one from Rachelle's apartment.

Do you notice the little Bella-sized children's chairs? There was another one there, not just the little pink one Bella was sitting in in the photo, and I noticed the other one in a different photo of the apartment. It's funny but in my mind I don't really think of people who are going to kill their children as buying things like that for the child....it's kinda like those things make it a child's home rather than a child living in a grown up home. Honestly, if I was DCF and saw a photo like that I wouldn't think that was an 'at risk' child. Yet five months later, that little girl was dead....

 

[Amonet]

The stories say RB went to one of MMs friends, and told the friend that MM had killed Bella. At that point the "friend" texted MM and accused him, and MM replied the friend shouldn't believe what the "Cracked out " says.

So according to the text messages MM knew that RB was telling people long before the police arrived to question him.

The story below sounds noticeably different in various ways than the versions we read before. The friend "Met Bella on various occasions"? I thought he lived there for a while and supposedly moved out because they mistreated Bella, but he didn't bother reporting it.

Also the friend texted both RB and MM accusing them of killing Bella? And then told them to "Rot in Hell"?

Maybe others can read it and add input. Some of this sounds very new to me. Texting and accusing both RB and MM?

It's possible that those quotes aren't so much conflicting but need to be read alongside the other things we've heard.

We heard before that Rachelle confessed to MS that Bella was dead, in person after MS said that now she was clean there was a chance she'd get Bella back (from DCF). After the confession, MS texted MM and MM said that Bella was with DCF and Rachelle was lying. Then MS contacted his sister and she was the one who put two and two together to match Bella with the composite.

So the quotes there could be consistent if MS then texted back with the "rot in hell" comment after he realized Bella really was dead...she was Baby Doe. Before that, maybe even he wasn't sure if Rachelle was just making up the story of MM killing Bella, but now he knew it was true and that they'd both participated, at least to the point of neither calling an ambulance and then hiding the body instead of admitting to it, so this made him angry at both of them?

While we expect someone who's telling the truth to have a consistent story, whenever a normal person tells a story there will be things they forget on the first telling and they don't remember until later. You really need to put all the versions together to see if they are consistent and not expect every telling to be 100% identical with nothing added or left out.

 

[Amonet]

didnt LE say as soon as they walked in they pinpointed evidence? some say it was the throw carpet but maybe it was an odor?

The only thing I remember reading was that LE walked into the apartment and when they looked over at a rug, they 'knew' they had the right apartment.

I think the rest is our assumptions from reading that line. We've looked at that line and thought "what was the significance of the rug" and in our minds added on an explanation, whether it was the zebra print rug to match the blanket in with the body or maybe it was a stain (from death) on the rug. But I don't think we got an official explanation of the line about the rug or why it was significant.

It also seems possible that there was an animal hair on the rug that was run to see if it was a cat or dog hair and the color of the animal, and maybe the animal was laying on the rug so they knew they had the right apartment?

 

[Sonya610]

The bits about wifi and texting could be very important. The wifi could have been for the whole house, provided by the landlord, which is why RB went to a neighbor and asked for the password. That would complicate any searches for data, the authorities could see someone using the wifi searched for baby doe 50 times but without the device (cell phone or computer) they couldn't prove who was doing it. Text messages could be very damning, a lack of text messages could imply only 1 person was involved.

I think the fact MMs friend sent a text message when he heard about the killing is both odd and a clear sign he did not believe RB (because he knew she is a liar?).

If someone tells you your friend killed their baby and covered up the crime for months would you send a text message saying "Hey, so and so says you murdered their baby and held them hostage to cover up the crime, is that true?"

Obviously if he believed MM was in fact a dangerous killer/hostage taker he wouldn't be sending text messages telling MM he knew what he did! If he believed RBs story he would want the police to lock up MM asap especially because they could both (RB and the friend) be in danger after the text message.

 

[Bootsctr]

Bond’s next-door neighbor, Siomy Torres, said she simply assumed the state Department of Children and Families had taken the child. Bella used to play with Torres’s daughter, and Torres said that until Bella disappeared, Rachelle Bond had been chatty, sharing details of her life, and talking of her joy at having custody of Bella and her desire to be a good mother.

Around the same time, she said, she stopped seeing the girl, and Bond withdrew. Bond stopped speaking to her, she said. Torres did not pry, because Bond seemed unstable.

Hermiz, however, said Bond still wandered up to her apartment to use the phone or ask for her Wi-Fi password.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...orities-say/wLIDYWKmrIBZZgBExcWRsI/story.html

Here is the report where Bond still wandered up to her neighbor's apartment to use the phone after Bella's disappearance. So, I'm thinking at that time she didn't have a phone. Maybe later she did get a cell phone, or she used ML's phone to tell ML's sister that Bella was Baby Doe. MM did have a phone because of the texts between he and ML. Yayaya!

 

[Angelcolev]

The bits about wifi and texting could be very important. The wifi could have been for the whole house, provided by the landlord, which is why RB went to a neighbor and asked for the password. That would complicate any searches for data, the authorities could see someone using the wifi searched for baby doe 50 times but without the device (cell phone or computer) they couldn't prove who was doing it. Text messages could be very damning, a lack of text messages could imply only 1 person was involved.

I think the fact MMs friend sent a text message when he heard about the killing is both odd and a clear sign he did not believe RB (because he knew she is a liar?).

If someone tells you your friend killed their baby and covered up the crime for months would you send a text message saying "Hey, so and so says you murdered their baby and held them hostage to cover up the crime, is that true?"

Obviously if he believed MM was in fact a dangerous killer/hostage taker he wouldn't be sending text messages telling MM he knew all about the crime! If he believed RBs story he would want the police to lock up MM asap especially because they could both (RB and the friend) be in danger after the text message.

I find it odd that in every ( so far) version of the story of RB telling MS about the murder, she's quoted as saying " and I'm an accessory after the fact" or in a different version, " and I'm an accessory to murder". Who talks like that? Esp a junkie prostitute? To me, it sounds like she was definitely searching the web to see what she COULD BE charged with? Or, perhaps she's so evil, she did the actual murder but then tried to figure out how she could be held less culpable? I just have a hard time believing she knows murder charges and what does or does not constitute " accessory after the fact". IMO she had to be researching that somehow. I hope for the sake of justice they have a device ( like her cell maybe?) that can show that kind of search history. Even better if they have search history when MM is proven not to be at the apartment? Otherwise I would think the defense atty's will have a field day saying " oh there is no proof it was RB/MM searching the terminology".
I wonder how often MM actually stayed with her at the apt? At least from what I've read in MSM, I'm not 100% convinced MM was actually living there. Course my speculation is caused by various differing reports from MSM. Some of the " facts" written could be just journalistic license.
JMO

 

[Sonya610]

Hermiz, however, said Bond still wandered up to her apartment to use the phone or ask for her Wi-Fi password.

If RB was asking for the wifi password she had a device to access the internet, otherwise she would have asked the neighbor if she could use the computer for a few minutes.

 

[wondering25]

Ok, so Bella was murdered and double bagged and placed in the water. she washed up on Deer island and the bag was seen the day before then seen again on June 25th when the ladies dog tried to explore it. Therefore, we know her body was baking in the sun, enclosed, for at least 24 hours. According to news reports the baby had on the polka dot bottoms, had 2 blankets ( at least that was said in court) and the bag had been weighted down. Or did they say there were weights in the bag? There is a difference. Weights as in those round things you put on a Dumbbell? Chunks of concrete? Kind of odd they were unable to either trace the weights or not reveal what the weights were. Would people who frequented the apartment recognize these "weights"?

Look around your home.. what would YOU use to weigh down a body in a bag??? Did they go out and buy weights?

Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Trust me, they have the DNA to prove he is the father. No way, no how are they releasing her body to ANYONE without proof. Don't forget she's "their girl" and they're still not going to let anything happen to her.

IIRC, I had heard and read that JA refused testing. What entity would it be up to for the testing? Not LE, IMO, so who? There would be no legal basis for LE to demand JA's DNA because he has not been arrested or accused of a crime. Would it be the ME to demand testing? As far as I know, he/she would not have the legal authority to ask for a DNA test to establish paternity.

Baby Bella's biological mother (hate to call her that) is the bottom line here because even though she has been charged with a crime, she is still innocent until proven guilty and convicted. SHE is the one who will have to sign a legal paper assigning someone to act on her behalf in Baby Bella's funeral plans. She could assign JA without proof of paternity. She could assign her sister. No funeral home is going to handle the funeral without the proper legal paperwork, and that will include RB's signature. My fear is that RB has signed a legal paper stating that JA will act in her behalf in the funeral plans and where Baby Bella is to be interred. Now JA has decided he doesn't believe RB didn't have something to do with Baby Bella's murder. Was that after he got RB to turn the plans over to him? I just feel there is going to be a legal dust up about it.

*Joypath, I know Baby Bella's body is with the ME and that LE alone doesn't have the authority to hold or release the body. However, the ME and LE could agree to hold the body longer. But why would they if all testing that could possibly be done has been done? Thank you so much for your professional input here!

MOO

 

[tlcya]

I have searched for some link stating that JA refused or declined to provide DNA but cannot find one. Does anyone have a link?

 

[Sonya610]

Look around your home.. what would YOU use to weigh down a body in a bag??? Did they go out and buy weights?

Rocks from the scene. The beach was full of them.

http://patch.com/massachusetts/charlestown/memorial-baby-doe-placed-deer-island-beach-0

 

[LaLaw2000]

Bella Bonds burial postponed. New information.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/baby-doe-bella-bond-burial/

Thanks for the link, Whiteorchids. I posted my last post before I caught up on this thread which I should never do.

In your link it states the burial has been postponed because the COD is still not known. What if they never know? What a mess.

*my opinion remains the same, though!

MOO

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have searched for some link stating that JA refused or declined to provide DNA but cannot find one. Does anyone have a link?

It may have been on a video, tlcya, but it was there. I read posts about JA's refusal to do paternity testing and posts were written about it. The reason I put IIRC is because I don't know where the video or the link is. IIRC used to be permissible here. Is it not now? Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

[Sonya610]

It may have been on a video, tlcya, but it was there. I read posts about JA's refusal to do paternity testing and posts were written about it. The reason I put IIRC is because I don't know where the video or the link is. IIRC used to be permissible here. Is it not now? Thanks in advance for your answer.

There were posts stating he was not legally recognized as the father and that he would need to have a dna test done before he could claim the body. If he wants the body he has to be tested so he doesn't have a choice.

 

[LaLaw2000]

--we know they have bella's DNA, getting his (even if he doesn't want to produce it) shouldn't be that difficult.

--don't they take DNA when someone is convicted of a felony? if so, florida will have that on file.

This is a very 'sticky wicket', lauriej. Of course DNA is taken upon the arrest of anyone accused of a felony. That only involves a cheek swabbing. When an incarcerated convicted felon is about to be released from prison or a detention facility after serving his or her time, a blood DNA is done rather than just swabbing. That sample goes directly to a state crime lab to be entered (again) into Codis.

You are correct in that Florida would have that on file at the state crime lab, but it would also be in Codis. The DNA on Codis cannot be used to establish paternity because that was not the reason the DNA was taken. It is all in the legalities of how that DNA can be used.

MOO

 

[BUF]

BBM

--there was this:

http://www.wcvb.com/news/prosecutor-...abuse/35408172
Family planning Bella's funeral as memorials continue to grow
September 22, 2015.

--article and video @ link.

--amoroso: "I feel that I should definitely have the final say so, b/c I didn't have any say so then."

--the lawyer of rachelle's Mom---he should have a paternity test, we shouldn't just take his word for it, somebody should ask him to produce a DNA sample..

--reporter: amoroso scoffed at the idea that he is not the father, but would not go on camera to defend himself.

Lauriej posted this. Sounds like JA said he wouldn't do a DNA, but wouldn't go on camera about it.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Thank you, Buf!

*That tells me that he just may not be certain he is actually Baby Bella's father if he just wants everyone to take his word for it. It also tells me that RB has not assigned JA to act in her behalf in planning the interment. I think RB's lawyer would certainly know whether or not JA had done a paternity test.

 

[Bootsctr]

I have searched for some link stating that JA refused or declined to provide DNA but cannot find one. Does anyone have a link?

I cannot find a link stating JA refused to provide DNA, but I did find this article regarding Rachelle Bond and JA's mother requesting Bond to submit DNA to confirm paternity.

“I was praying, Lord, I hope this is not Bella,” said Patricia Drake, 59, who is the mother of the girl’s father. She had lost touch with the girl’s mother, Rachelle Bond, after she suggested that Bond submit to a DNA test to confirm the paternity of her son Joseph Amoroso.

She said Bond used to bring Bella to her home twice a month. But after that conversation she disappeared. At that point, Bella was 8 months old.

“I knew something wasn’t right,” Drake said.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...s-not-bella/12EyPq5a5teFqO8527QfBN/story.html