MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[Bootsctr]

It sounds like RB doubted Bella's was JA's child, or was afraid this would allow the JA or his mother to take custody of Bella.

 

[BUF]

I agree...you know how you go to some homes and the pet odors are overwhelming, but the residents are nose-blind and don't notice? Could be the same thing.[/QUOTE

trust me.........,I'd take a thousand pet homes OVER the aroma of death........seeps into every pore, hangs onto hair & clothing too! & ps.skip the TV trick of Vicks under the nose unless you have a etoh swab under your nose IMMEDIATELY after leaving the scene!

You are so right...sad to say, but I know from personal experience that this is a smell you never forget. It never goes away.

 

[Bootsctr]

Ok, so Bella was murdered and double bagged and placed in the water. she washed up on Deer island and the bag was seen the day before then seen again on June 25th when the ladies dog tried to explore it. Therefore, we know her body was baking in the sun, enclosed, for at least 24 hours. According to news reports the baby had on the polka dot bottoms, had 2 blankets ( at least that was said in court) and the bag had been weighted down. Or did they say there were weights in the bag? There is a difference. Weights as in those round things you put on a Dumbbell? Chunks of concrete? Kind of odd they were unable to either trace the weights or not reveal what the weights were. Would people who frequented the apartment recognize these "weights"?

Look around your home.. what would YOU use to weigh down a body in a bag??? Did they go out and buy weights?

Anything i write is just my opinion.

What I thought I heard at the hearing was she was placed in the garbage bag and then placed inside a duffle bag with weights. I haven't read anything else about a duffle bag. Weights make me think of weight-lifting weights, but who knows what these two weighted the bag down with.

If indeed, Bella was also inside a weighted-down duffle bag, her escape and eventually ending up on Deer Island is truly a miracle.

Hoping they would release a transcription of the hearing, but haven't come across it yet.

 

[LaLaw2000]

It still remains that RB is the next of kin to Baby Bella even though (IMO) she certainly didn't deserve her. RB has been charged with a crime in relation to Bella's murder, but she has not been convicted of it yet. RB is in jail with no way to successfully post bond, but she is still in charge of who plans and carries out the funeral plans and interment.

I'm going to shut up about it now but I do hope that JA is not allowed to play the victim here and not allowed to have say so of the funeral plans and interment without proper and legal proof he is the father because he had never seen Bella and didn't know her. At least RB's sister knew Bella.

MOO

 

[Bootsctr]

You are so right...sad to say, but I know from personal experience that this is a smell you never forget. It never goes away.

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe after she was put in the refrigerator they didn't open it again until the plan on what to do with Bella's remains was made. I just can't fathom them EVER removing the smell from that refrigerator.

 

[Bootsctr]

More from LauriJ's link:

New York forensic science expert Lawrence Kobilinsky says it’s highly unusual for law enforcement to hold onto a body for more than three months, even when new information comes to light.“

Even without a cause of death, a jury can convict,” he says. “It seems to me that so much time has elapsed. I don’t think there will be any further analysis that will be done that will tell us anything about cause of death. I think it’s time we lay this child to rest.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/baby-doe-bella-bond-burial/

 

[Sonya610]

If indeed, Bella was also inside a weighted-down duffle bag, her escape and eventually ending up on Deer Island is truly a miracle.

The plastic bags were almost certainly to blame. Double bagged and tied tight so only "some moisture" entered. Whomever did that was clueless about body disposal, as most here know the gas builds up in the bag and the body surfaces (plus it prevents the water and sea life from destroying evidence).

Was the duffel bag found on the beach too? If not how did they find it?

Double bagging AND including two blankets shows an attempt to protect the body with a nurturing touch. That has RB written all over it.

 

[BUF]

More from LauriJ's link:

New York forensic science expert Lawrence Kobilinsky says it’s highly unusual for law enforcement to hold onto a body for more than three months, even when new information comes to light.“

Even without a cause of death, a jury can convict,” he says. “It seems to me that so much time has elapsed. I don’t think there will be any further analysis that will be done that will tell us anything about cause of death. I think it’s time we lay this child to rest.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/baby-doe-bella-bond-burial/

I had read that also. That is just his opinion. He has been a talking head on so many programs for so long. The investigation is still going on and maybe they are going in a different direction. Remember RB is held on $1mil cash bond, so obviously they aren't buying her story.

 

[Vedder]

I feel RB is the one involved in the death. Whether or not MM truly believed the CPS story, I dunno.

My only issue is.. If you charge someone with murder, do you have to have SOMETHING besides someone's word to back that up?? The police have to have SOMETHING to charge him with murder.. That's what I don't understand. Yeah we do not know all of the evidence.. But they've gotta be going on more than what RB has said. After all she is not an outstanding citizen.

That's what I'm stuck on too. If a body is found in my neighborhood and my husband tells LE he saw me kill this person, I would be charged with murder on his word alone? It doesn't sit right with me.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Maybe the duffle bag, weights, and so forth came from RB telling LE. IDK, there so many questions and not enough facts given to us by LE. (and rightfully so)

 

[LaLaw2000]

More from LauriJ's link:

New York forensic science expert Lawrence Kobilinsky says it’s highly unusual for law enforcement to hold onto a body for more than three months, even when new information comes to light.“

Even without a cause of death, a jury can convict,” he says. “It seems to me that so much time has elapsed. I don’t think there will be any further analysis that will be done that will tell us anything about cause of death. I think it’s time we lay this child to rest.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/baby-doe-bella-bond-burial/

Thanks so much for this link, Bootsctr! I have been saying essentially the same thing about holding Baby Bella's body since so much testing had been done and tissue samples having been taken. The ME may not ever be able to find the COD. He hasn't so far. Hopefully this 'new information' will be helpful. I am not denigrating the ME. I admire doctors who are able to do this important work.

I do not care for Kobilensky because of his comments and opinions in past cases, but I agree with him on this one.

It is certainly not the same thing but there were problems with the release of Jon Benet Ramsey's body. LE didn't want the body to be released and the ME really didn't have any legal reason to withhold her body. Her body had to be released.

As I stated earlier, there is going to be a legal dust up somewhere here. IMO

 

[Sonya610]

Maybe the duffle bag, weights, and so forth came from RB telling LE. IDK, there so many questions and not enough facts given to us by LE. (and rightfully so)

Do we know any details regarding how the body was dropped into the ocean?

I am having a hard time picturing it (maybe it is obvious and I don't see it). I guess if there was a pier one could walk out on the edge and drop a bag but then fishermen or whomever could find it. From the shoreline how could someone do it? Toss it out into the surf? Wouldn't a boat be required?

Is it possible the body wasn't weight down at all? Just tossed from the shore and then found a couple of days later?

 

[Bootsctr]

Maybe the duffle bag, weights, and so forth came from RB telling LE. IDK, there so many questions and not enough facts given to us by LE. (and rightfully so)

I think the duffle bag info and weights came directly from RB (purely speculating). I know they had divers at Deer Island looking for additional items, more bodies, etc. Maybe they have sent divers to where Bella was actually thrown into the water and found some items there. If so, they aren't saying publically. I believe we were told nothing else was found...

 

[tlcya]

BBM

--there was this:

http://www.wcvb.com/news/prosecutor-...abuse/35408172
Family planning Bella's funeral as memorials continue to grow
September 22, 2015.

--article and video @ link.

--amoroso: "I feel that I should definitely have the final say so, b/c I didn't have any say so then."

--the lawyer of rachelle's Mom---he should have a paternity test, we shouldn't just take his word for it, somebody should ask him to produce a DNA sample..

--reporter: amoroso scoffed at the idea that he is not the father, but would not go on camera to defend himself.

That JA has refused to provide DNA is not the impression I get from this video. This video shows the attorney for the maternal grandmother who never even knew Bella existed because she and RB had been estranged for 14 years. That attorney (whose presence in this case confuses me frankly) said JA should have to produce DNA to prove he is Bella's father. Seems reasonable. The video goes on to say that JA scoffed at the idea that he is NOT Bella's father and declined to discuss the attorney's :twocents: on camera. That could be taken as him refusing to get into a tit for tat back and forth over this DNA business publicly with this attorney for maternal gramma. Doesn't lead me to believe he has refused to give one or for that matter that any authority has asked for one (although I too would think it would be a matter of course before releasing remains).

To me the way this is worded "would not go on camera to defend himself" makes it sound as if the reporter was setting up an adversarial situation/tone between the attorney for maternal gramma and JA. Seems as if JA simply declined to take the bait. :moo:

 

[Bootsctr]

Personally, I believe JA could have already submitted his DNA for testing and we're simply waiting for confirmation so Bella can be buried and rest in peace FINALLY!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Do we know any details regarding how the body was dropped into the ocean?

I am having a hard time picturing it (maybe it is obvious and I don't see it). I guess if there was a pier one could walk out on the edge and drop a bag but then fishermen or whomever could find it. From the shoreline how could someone do it? Toss it out into the surf? Wouldn't a boat be required?

Is it possible the body wasn't weight down at all? Just tossed from the shore and then found a couple of days later?

Man! Who knows? I really don't believe a word out of RB's mouth or anyone other than LE.

I can't see RB and MM having access to a boat or them being straight enough to even operate one.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

the lack of COD is worrisome. I hope it doesn't mean Bella's body sits in limbo with the ME's office for an extended period.

She deserves to be laid to rest with dignity after the treatment it is alleged her body received at the hands of those responsible for her death.

 

[LaLaw2000]

That's what I'm stuck on too. If a body is found in my neighborhood and my husband tells LE he saw me kill this person, I would be charged with murder on his word alone? It doesn't sit right with me.

I honestly don't think so, Vedder. There has to be enough evidence pointing toward you for you to even be legally arrested. You probably would be taken in for questioning though!

MOO

 

[Bootsctr]

Man! Who knows? I really don't believe a word out of RB's mouth or anyone other than LE.

I can't see RB and MM having access to a boat or them being straight enough to even operate one.

MOO

I can't either. It would be like Dumb and Dumber, or Dumber and Dumber or the blind leading the blind. I don't know.

 

[wondering25]

IF JA has any plans to sue DCYS he is going to need a DNA test establishing paternity.. simple.. that will motivate him. JMO