GUILTY MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014 #2 *guilty*

[Seattle1]

I watched the trial, there's plenty of evidence that she pushed him towards it but there's also plenty of evidence that she tried to convince him not to do it and contacted people in his life asking them to help him, his best friend at least five times for example she straight up argued with his best friend when he was trying to downplay one of his attempts.

There's also plenty of evidence that his family particularly his mother was told about his problems and had opportunities to help him. Conrad tried to kill himself four times before the successful time, after one of them his mother was advised to put him into therapy and she rejected it. Conrad was secretly seeing a therapist by her own admission, after his death his therapist bills turned up on her credit card. Conrad also claimed his mother saw a suicide methods website open on his computer and never said anything.

There's more than this but the point is Conrad was not only suicidal before Michelle but he had attempted suicide at least four times and Michelle had contacted his best friend about him at least five times asking him to help Conrad, not to mention texts from her trying to convince him not to do it. She was the only person trying to convince him to live before she turned and started trying to convince him.

Really? What matters here is what happened on the day the victim lost his life -- the string of messages on the date of his death and MC telling CR to get back in the truck instead of calling authorities for help. One can be the perfect, father of the year but if one morning you pull out a gun and blow your child's brains out -- you're a murderer.

MC is one, sick piece of work that I hope is getting help. Her sick, trial run at playing a grieving girlfriend to judge the reaction of others and her apparent obsession with Lea Michele and Glee character Cory Montieth real- life OD death on July 13, 2013 are hardly a coincidence.

 

[Seattle1]

Michelle Carter: Love Texts & Death
Available from Investigation Discovery

(2021-)When police discover 18-year-old Conrad Roy dead in a Massachusetts parking lot, they are faced with an unprecedented investigation. The discovery of troubling text messages forces them to wonder if the death is suicide or something more sinister.

https://www.investigationdiscovery....le-carter-love-texts-and-death-discovery-plus

 

[Seattle1]

Parents of boy, 18, who killed himself after being encouraged by Michelle Carter speak out | Daily Mail Online

3/25/22

[..]

Speaking to People, St Denis recounted the last day she spent with her son, describing how they took a walk on the beach together and talked about his future.

Conrad, who struggled with depression and anxiety after his parents' divorce, had just earned his sea captain's license, allowing him to work with his father in marine towing. He also had been accepted into Fitchburg State University in Massachusetts.

'Conrad, he was a sweet boy that lost his way,' Conrad Roy Jr said of his son. 'He was just so, so happy until he became depressed.'

St Denis said on July 12, 2014, her son was unsure what to do with his future, but she tried to ease his mind by telling him that he did not have to make a decision away.

The mother recalled that at one point, Roy interrupted their walk to go sit in the car, presumably to check his text messages - a seemingly minor detail that had devastating consequences.

Later that day, St Denis said she had another conversation with her son while she was washing dishes at the family's home in Fairhaven, Massachusetts. At the end of their chat, the 18-year-old said goodbye to his mother and left the house for the last time.

'Why didn't he give me a hug, if he knew he was never going to see me again?' she wondered.

After walking out the door, Roy got in his pickup truck, drove to a nearby Kmart and parked behind the store. There, he rigged his vehicle to fill the cabin with carbon monoxide.

As Roy was slowly poisoning himself, he had a momentary change of heart and got out of the vehicle, but phone records presented at Carter's trial revealed that she called her boyfriend and urged him to get back inside his truck.

Other evidence included text messages that Carter, then 17, sent to Conrad earlier in the day, as he was sitting in the car during the outing with his mother.

[..]

 

[Seattle1]

8 Years After Teen Suicide Texting Tragedy, Conrad Roy's Parents Speak Out: 'No Parent Should Go Through This'

 

[Seattle1]

'The Girl From Plainville' is a bland take on Michelle Carter case

 

[zencompass]

'The Girl From Plainville' is a bland take on Michelle Carter case

Thank you, @Seattle1, for this post as well as the news articles in your previous posts.

Parents of boy, 18, who killed himself after being encouraged by Michelle Carter speak out | Daily Mail Online

I followed this case from the first news article about it and found it horrifying from a human standpoint let alone from a parent's view .

Subsequently I watched the trial. It was evident to me that Carter had/has no remorse.

It was not surprising that the Supreme Court denied Carter's Appeal to reverse her conviction, upholding the original conviction. Hearing of the Appeal must have been another gut-punch to Conrad's family.

In their Order, "We conclude that the evidence was sufficient to support the judge's finding of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed involuntary manslaughter as a youthful offender, and that the other legal issues presented by the defendant, including her First Amendment claim, lack merit. We therefore affirm."

I think of the legal "But For Test". The But For Test concludes that a defendant is the factual cause of a harm if that harm would not have occurred “but-for” the defendant’s negligence.

Carter has not accepted any responsibility for her role in Conrad's death and she never will. She knew that she could have told Conrad's family what was happening. Instead, in my opinion, she took the role of cheering him on... to his suicide death.

In my view, one of the most horrifying things Carter did was when she made a convincing argument to Conrad that his family would "understand" and would "get over it".

In my opinion, "But For" Carter's actions, Conrad would still be alive.

I wish that Carter felt remorse. I wish that she would have taken responsibility and spoken out in public warning others not to do as she did. But that has not been her choice. I believe it would be to her benefit if she did that as a public service and to show her humanity.

For me, I won't be watching a romanticized fictional drama.

The review of 'The Girl From Plainville" by Brian Lowry (CNN) speaks volumes:

'The Girl From Plainville' is a bland take on Michelle Carter case

"Still, viewers frankly came away with a much better sense of Carter's story from the HBO documentary "I Love You, Now Die" than they will from watching this. Truth can be stranger than fiction, but in this case, nonfiction is considerably more illuminating than drama."

Just my own opinions.


Michelle Carter case: Read the court decision to uphold involuntary manslaughter conviction

But-for test

 

[zencompass]

Conrad Roy’s Mom Speaks Out About New Series ‘The Girl From Plainville’ – NBC Boston


Excerpts:

"... Roy's mother, Lynn St. Denis, who told People that she hasn't seen the series and is worried "there may be an attempt to defend some of [Michelle's] needless and evil actions."

"But St. Denis is aware that 'The Girl From Plainville' will bring renewed attention to the case, which may help her in her quest to make Massachusetts the 43rd state to criminalize suicide coercion."

"St. Denis said she was motivated to work with lawmakers on the bill, called Conrad's Law, because she doesn't "want another family to deal with what I had to deal with."

 

[ilovewings]

Thank you, @Seattle1, for this post as well as the news articles in your previous posts.

Parents of boy, 18, who killed himself after being encouraged by Michelle Carter speak out | Daily Mail Online

I followed this case from the first news article about it and found it horrifying from a human standpoint let alone from a parent's view .

Subsequently I watched the trial. It was evident to me that Carter had/has no remorse.

It was not surprising that the Supreme Court denied Carter's Appeal to reverse her conviction, upholding the original conviction. Hearing of the Appeal must have been another gut-punch to Conrad's family.

In their Order, "We conclude that the evidence was sufficient to support the judge's finding of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed involuntary manslaughter as a youthful offender, and that the other legal issues presented by the defendant, including her First Amendment claim, lack merit. We therefore affirm."

I think of the legal "But For Test". The But For Test concludes that a defendant is the factual cause of a harm if that harm would not have occurred “but-for” the defendant’s negligence.

Carter has not accepted any responsibility for her role in Conrad's death and she never will. She knew that she could have told Conrad's family what was happening. Instead, in my opinion, she took the role of cheering him on... to his suicide death.

In my view, one of the most horrifying things Carter did was when she made a convincing argument to Conrad that his family would "understand" and would "get over it".

In my opinion, "But For" Carter's actions, Conrad would still be alive.

I wish that Carter felt remorse. I wish that she would have taken responsibility and spoken out in public warning others not to do as she did. But that has not been her choice. I believe it would be to her benefit if she did that as a public service and to show her humanity.

For me, I won't be watching a romanticized fictional drama.

The review of 'The Girl From Plainville" by Brian Lowry (CNN) speaks volumes:

'The Girl From Plainville' is a bland take on Michelle Carter case

"Still, viewers frankly came away with a much better sense of Carter's story from the HBO documentary "I Love You, Now Die" than they will from watching this. Truth can be stranger than fiction, but in this case, nonfiction is considerably more illuminating than drama."

Just my own opinions.


Michelle Carter case: Read the court decision to uphold involuntary manslaughter conviction

But-for test

I am so sickened by this case and this monster Michelle Carter I could not bring myself to watch the documentary about the case last night. She is a cold and has absolutely not remorse IMO

 

[borndem]

I am so sickened by this case and this monster Michelle Carter I could not bring myself to watch the documentary about the case last night. She is a cold and has absolutely not remorse IMO

Same here -- I don't want to see her or hear her -- she destroyed a young man's faith in himself and destroyed the family who loved him.

 

[Seattle1]

4/7/22 'Girl from Plainville' seen after early jail release for manslaughter of boy she goaded into suicide | Daily Mail Online

MC was spotted for the first time since 2020 -- outside doing yardwork.

My brother sent me the link with his message that read that he hoped MC feels as bad as she looks.

I agree -- no remorse, no apology, ever.

 

[borndem]

As it often happens, jail/prison was not kind to the Plainville Girl, was it? Pity.
I can't imagine that any of her jail-mates would pat her on the back for what she did. Like sex-abusers of children, etc., those criminals are held in contempt by their fellow inmates -- she has got to have been in that group. She was just plain mean, selfish, and cruel to that struggling young man, and I think she did as a lark -- just to see if she could do it. IMO. And for what? For what? Hoping all her sick birds come to roost.

 

[zencompass]

Carter will be found and photographed for the rest of her life - like Karla Holmolka (also known as Leanne Teale, and Leanne Bordelais). They can change their names but not their faces.

It's a type of "life sentence" that will, no matter how she changes her appearance, make her known to friends, neighbours and co-workers. She will forever have to live with what she's done because she will be reminded of it over the coming years by photographs in the news.

Nothing, sadly, will ever bring back Conrad. My heart breaks for Conrad's family. But I don't believe Carter ever thought that this would ruin her life as well and follow her wherever she goes.

At least that's a "type of sentence" for someone who caused an innocent person's death. Her evil deed will continue to be in the news and whoever is in her midst, if they didn't know, will know.

JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Michelle Carter’s texting suicide trial revisited

 

[ilovewings]

Michelle Carter’s texting suicide trial revisited

I'll pass

 

[zencompass]

Michelle Carter’s texting suicide trial revisited

Thank you @JerseyGirl for linking this news article.

It was an informative read, especially this part:

"Lynn Roy, Conrad's mother, told ABC News that she hasn't seen the show, but wants to keep the focus on her son and mental health awareness."

"In the meantime, she's working to ensure that in the future, anyone who coerces someone into killing themselves will face harsher punishments. Lynn Roy has been calling on state lawmakers to pass "Conrad's Law," which would require a minimum 5-year sentence for anyone who is convicted of such an act."

"Lynn Roy said she hopes that something positive can come out of her son's passing."

"I will never stop honoring him and carrying him with me," she said."

 

[zencompass]

Michelle Carter’s texting suicide trial revisited

Conrad Roy's Aunt, in my opinion, said it best (in the article you linked above):

"I don't think that she helped him kill himself," Roy's aunt, Kim Bozzi, told ABC News' "20/20" in 2017. "I think she forced him to kill himself."

 

[ilovewings]

Conrad Roy's Aunt, in my opinion, said it best (in the article you linked above):

"I don't think that she helped him kill himself," Roy's aunt, Kim Bozzi, told ABC News' "20/20" in 2017. "I think she forced him to kill himself."

Agree--- truer words were never spoken-- IMO she enjoyed the power she had over him---and she used it to ensure he committed suicide-- She is a disgusting
wretch with no redeeming human qualities, and worst of all she got a s!ap On the wrist as punishment.

Our justice system let this young man and his family down.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Michelle Carter-Conrad Roy case: What Carter’s friends said during trial in ‘The Girl From Plainville’

 

[DrQ]

Thanks for the link. This case makes me sad and angry.

 

[Seattle1]

Michelle Carter-Conrad Roy case: What Carter’s friends said during trial in ‘The Girl From Plainville’

From the link:

Samantha Boardman, 20, of Norfolk, Mass., a former friend of defendant Michelle Carter looks over photos that were taken at the Homers for Conrad fundraising event that Carter organized several months after Conrad Roy III committed suicide.