MA - Four children found hidden in apartment with alcohol, drugs, sex toys & corpse - Boston - June 21 2023

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Moo..narcan was not given..so I do not see overdose. My younger brother died of heart attack and yes he did drugs ...but it was a heart attack not OD...the drug taking had been the previous day. His body was just tired.
Someone was in medical distress, the children were being protected by removing them to another room that does not equal abuse.
How they could tell they were all men but trans or crossdressing is kinda interesting, many trans are really beautiful. Many women of color wear wigs. So why wigs an such were in report seems kinda strange.
I clean houses, hording and a messy house is really not a crime, or I would be out of work.
Drugs and sex toys strewn about.. show me pictures or I can give no opinion.
Just cause someone is trans or whatever does not equal sex crazy or pedophile.
It is a none story unless charges are laid....moo

But the person was already deceased of a cardiac arrest. Also Narcan is for opioids and there are many many other drugs.

So sorry you lost your brother

 

[MyBelle]

Ime the housing authority will not relocate them. If there were in fact drugs in the home, she could lose her housing. I missed where it was stated that it was her apartment so just going off of some posts here saying it was.

There are few reasons the PHA will relocate you and this isn’t one of them. They often place you somewhere and that’s it. Where you go from there is on you, especially as projects like that generally offer project-based assistance, meaning the assistance is tied to the unit and not the tenant. You move, you lose it.

Now, dcf sometimes helps parents find stable housing, so not sure what may happen there, when the parents get their kids back. Still, she does have a place to live so not sure if that’s even an option.

imo.

I think the Housing Authority has a responsibility to relocate them because her address was made public and a transphobic nutcase could show up at her door.

DCF has taken custody of the children but that's all they'll say due to privacy.

JMO

 

[nao]

Moo..if a person is missing or a person is wanted for legal issues..there is usually a physical description. But these people that were in the apartment are just witnesses, absolutely no reason to publicly give personal description of their fashion choices.....moo

 

[MyBelle]

I'm genuinely curious. If you go back and read the first MSM I posted along with the this thread, can you point out what the language used was, that leads you to assume the BFD report was possibly written by a transphobic person? I've double and triple checked myself just to see if there was something I was missing, and I cannot find any kind of inflammatory or derogatory language used at all, by the BFD.

This is the link: Kids, ‘drugs, sex toys,’ dead man in South Boston apartment: ‘Sickening’

I believe the Boston Herald article was written by an incredibly transphobic writer. <modsnip>

JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

I believe the Boston Herald article was written by an incredibly transphobic writer. <modsnip>

JMO

Well, that's one heck of a public accusation.
Do you know this person or have any reason to make such an accusation?
Have they published transphobic things previously?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I believe the Boston Herald article was written by an incredibly transphobic writer. <modsnip>

JMO

Just to summarize and hoping for some clarity so maybe I can understand:

@fred&edna asked
"Is it a reasonable assumption to believe the report that mentioned drugs, alcohol and sex toys... was written by transphobic individuals??"

To which you responded and said:

"I think that is a very reasonable assumption."

To which I responded and asked:

"Can you point out what the language used was, that leads you to assume the BFD report was possibly written by a transphobic person?"

To which you responded and stated:

"I believe the Boston Herald article was written by an incredibly transphobic writer."

So then, a couple of questions.

1. Do you believe the BFD report was written by a transphobic person as you initially stated, or
2. Do you believe the Boston Herald piece was written by the transphobic person?

If #2, can you please point out the exact language in the article that you consider transphobic, for those of us that aren't seeing it the same way.

I'm honestly trying to understand how others are seeing this.

 

[fred&edna]

The children were taken from the apartment that night, correct? Does anyone know if an emergency court order is required for removal of children?

 

[Stunned]

Just to summarize and hoping for some clarity so maybe I can understand:

@fred&edna asked
"Is it a reasonable assumption to believe the report that mentioned drugs, alcohol and sex toys... was written by transphobic individuals??"

To which you responded and said:

"I think that is a very reasonable assumption."

To which I responded and asked:

"Can you point out what the language used was, that leads you to assume the BFD report was possibly written by a transphobic person?"

To which you responded and stated:

"I believe the Boston Herald article was written by an incredibly transphobic writer."

So then, a couple of questions.

1. Do you believe the BFD report was written by a transphobic person as you initially stated, or
2. Do you believe the Boston Herald piece was written by the transphobic person?

If #2, can you please point out the exact language in the article that you consider transphobic, for those of us that aren't seeing it the same way.

I'm honestly trying to understand how others are seeing this.

I think the JMO or IMO at the bottom of any post is pretty clear. Different writers can’t help but see things through a different perspective. IMO

 

[LaineyJ]

I think the Housing Authority has a responsibility to relocate them because her address was made public and a transphobic nutcase could show up at her door.

DCF has taken custody of the children but that's all they'll say due to privacy.

JMO

IMO and ime it’s not their responsibility. Would it be the right thing to do? Maybe. Are they responsible? Likely not. People could’ve read her name and possibly found her address on the internet, so even if it wasn’t listed as being her place, she’d be in the same position.

Her best course of action would be to request to transfer to another PBV unit though sometimes it’s limited to the same site. In that case, not much protection from anyone. They’d also need to actually have a vacancy and approve it. Next best option is to find a sympathetic figure in local government to see if they can find a way to help. For what it’s worth, I’d like to see whatever it takes to keep the kids safe. Maybe that’s also where dcf could lend a hand in the housing issue.

All imo and ime as a former public housing tenant who needed to relocate for my immediate safety.

Eta a word

 

[nao]

Moo...it comes down to, nobody has been charged with anything. But the address and changeable accusations, description of circumstances has unnecessary been made public..for no reason whatsoever.
The children's welfare is important but child protective services does not publicly announce removal, that in no way is good for the children involved....moo

 

[wdmcmahan]

I can’t help but wonder, if the adults weren’t transgender, what would the initial reporting have been. I’m very frustrated and disheartened by the way the city councilor and the media chose to describe the adults, no matter what the situation was.

Obviously the main concern is for the children and it seems like the proper steps have been taken to help them… I hope they are in a safe and loving environment right now.

 

[fred&edna]

Interesting information about 51A screening, a 51B and 110 CRM 4.31 etc

The Crucial First Steps of a DCF "51A Investigation" for Child Abuse or Neglect in MA

Massachusetts DCF lawyer Nicole K. Levy reviews the crucial first steps taken by the Department of Children and Families (DCF) after there is a report of child neglect or abuse.

www.lynchowens.com

 

[MyBelle]

Moo...it comes down to, nobody has been charged with anything. But the address and changeable accusations, description of circumstances has unnecessary been made public..for no reason whatsoever.
The children's welfare is important but child protective services does not publicly announce removal, that in no way is good for the children involved....moo

ITA. The incident happened 8 days ago and there still have been no charges filed.

JMO

 

[Bodhi]

The Boston Herald is a tabloid newspaper. That's not pejorative, just a factual statement. That's its niche in the market. The tabloid format promotes sensationalist coverage over in-depth reporting.

In looking at the Herald's coverage of this incident, their articles cite unnamed sources and politicians providing information that is, at best, second- or third-hand and possibly repeated with an agenda in mind. The articles refer to a Fire Department incident report that is not public. The Herald does not quote from it directly. All completely expected from the Herald. Readers who purchase the newspaper want the style and format the Herald delivers. And people who read it online take the source into consideration and if interested seek confirmation elsewhere.

Even so, I still find myself surprised at the blatant disregard of facts in the Herald's headlines. An article published as late as Friday evening is headlined "Boston fire union blasts Mayor Wu’s version of Southie OD den call". The text of the article refutes that characterization of the death and the apartment.

Boxes checked on the report, however, indicate that police do not suspect a hate crime, drug use or alcohol consumption. Responding officers wore body cameras.

Boston fire union blasts Mayor Wu’s version of Southie OD den call

The fire union is pushing back at the mayor and police, saying firefighters stand by what they reported after rushing into a South Boston apartment this past weekend, a matter that triggered a 51A …

www.bostonherald.com

Despite the fact that drug use is not suspected, the headline slurs the victim, the victim's friends, and the McCormick housing project as a "Southie OD den".

IMO, it is clear that coverage in the Herald, which has since been picked up and amplified by conservative commentators and outlets nationwide, has a point of view.

 

[NeverPersonal]

On Saturday, Boston Police and Fire crews responded to 381 Old Colony Avenue

Boston City Council will hold hearing after four kids found near corpse, drugs, sex toys

“I filed this hearing order to address what happened at the (Boston Housing Authority) Saturday,” Boston City Councilor-At-Large Erin Murphy told the Herald in a Tuesday text message. “It will come…

www.bostonherald.com

So the police misread the whole mess?? I don't think so.

<modsnip>

 

[asmi106082]

Everyone who is willing to help have to go through the same rigorous training as those in paid positions. You can't have someone showing up to help if they don't know what they are doing or how to use the equipment. While there are stories of heroic individuals who enter burning buildings to save people, from a safety perspective of the professionals, they just become another person to save.

Agreed. I live in Virginia Beach and I see a lot of TV ads for volunteer EMS workers needed. You get trained and certified just like a paid paramedic but you’re a volunteer. We also have a paid, city funded paramedic squad. Same with the fire department.
I grew up in Pennsylvania, a small town near Harrisburg and Hershey, and the majority of the local fire department staff were volunteers. It’s not as uncommon as you might think. They still get the training.

 

[nao]

Moo... If it was a fire or arson then it would be appropriate for the fire department to be in control and spokesperson to the media and public. But this is not a fire related situation.
If it is thought there is criminal activity, then that is for the police department to deal with.
If the fire department disagrees with the police report, is it being implied that the police are corrupt or inept? Feels a lot like politics and power struggle. ...moo

 

[fred&edna]

The Boston Herald is a tabloid newspaper. That's not pejorative, just a factual statement. That's its niche in the market. The tabloid format promotes sensationalist coverage over in-depth reporting.

In looking at the Herald's coverage of this incident, their articles cite unnamed sources and politicians providing information that is, at best, second- or third-hand and possibly repeated with an agenda in mind. The articles refer to a Fire Department incident report that is not public. The Herald does not quote from it directly. All completely expected from the Herald. Readers who purchase the newspaper want the style and format the Herald delivers. And people who read it online take the source into consideration and if interested seek confirmation elsewhere.

Even so, I still find myself surprised at the blatant disregard of facts in the Herald's headlines. An article published as late as Friday evening is headlined "Boston fire union blasts Mayor Wu’s version of Southie OD den call". The text of the article refutes that characterization of the death and the apartment.

Boston fire union blasts Mayor Wu’s version of Southie OD den call

The fire union is pushing back at the mayor and police, saying firefighters stand by what they reported after rushing into a South Boston apartment this past weekend, a matter that triggered a 51A …

www.bostonherald.com

Despite the fact that drug use is not suspected, the headline slurs the victim, the victim's friends, and the McCormick housing project as a "Southie OD den".

IMO, it is clear that coverage in the Herald, which has since been picked up and amplified by conservative commentators and outlets nationwide, has a point of view.

Thanks for that info. I was not aware the Boston Herald was considered a tabloid newspaper and I was unaware of Howie Carr. I can certainly see why many don't believe what was printed/stated by BH or Carr.

I thought people posting here were doubting the fire department report because they believed that report was written by transphobic firefighters... that was the reason I asked the question earlier.

Again, I'm not attempting to argue with anyone... just seeking info. I wouldn't be aware of the tabloid nature of the Boston Herald/H Carr if I wasn't asking questions.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thanks for that info. I was not aware the Boston Herald was considered a tabloid newspaper and I was unaware of Howie Carr. I can certainly see why many don't believe what was printed/stated by BH or Carr.

I thought people posting here were doubting the fire department report because they believed that report was written by transphobic firefighters... that was the reason I asked the question earlier.

Again, I'm not attempting to argue with anyone... just seeking info. I wouldn't be aware of the tabloid nature of the Boston Herald/H Carr if I wasn't asking questions.

That is exactly what was stated at first. Except there's literally nothing to back it up.

Now allegedly it's the writer(s) (Matthew Medsger and Joe Dwinell) of the first article I posted who are transphobic.

I don't know anything about the Boston Herald other than it's an approved MSM source here.
Which makes zero sense, if they hire folks that openly discriminate against any group of people.

jmo

 

[Keane]

There are several MSM sources that have a particular slant, the Boston Herald and NY Post to name two.
They are both broadsheet tabloids. (That's not an insult btw, just factual.)

As far as 'drug paraphernalia', since pot is legal in Massachusetts, a bong or roach clip could indicate legal drug use.