MA - Four children found hidden in apartment with alcohol, drugs, sex toys & corpse - Boston - June 21 2023

[fred&edna]

That is exactly what was stated at first. Except there's literally nothing to back it up.

Now allegedly it's the writer(s) (Matthew Medsger and Joe Dwinell) of the first article I posted who are transphobic.

I don't know anything about the Boston Herald other than it's an approved MSM source here.
Which makes zero sense, if they hire folks that openly discriminate against any group of people.

jmo

Boston 25 news also obtained the FD report. (As I posted previously)

Boston 25 obtained the fire department report, which matched up with another source’s information.

According to the fire department report that I reviewed, firefighters found six adults “who appeared to be males” in the apartment, with four kids in a back bedroom. One of the men tried to stop first responders from going into the room where they found the children, who are ages 5 to 10. The report said the adults were uncooperative and denied having children inside the apartment.

‘Cry for help’: City councilor calls for answers after kids found in ‘house of horrors’ after death

First responders were called to the Mary Ellen McCormack Complex run by the Boston Housing Authority for a person not breathing, but that’s not all they found when they entered a top floor apartment.

www.boston25news.com

 

[fred&edna]

It sounds as if this mom was in the apartment as she says "we".

"Nobody was hiding the kids, we were trying to keep the kids away from the person who was dead on the floor... it's pretty traumatizing."

Mom of 2 kids taken from South Boston apartment speaks as police, fire officials give conflicting details

The mother of two children removed from a South Boston apartment fire officials called “unsanitary” during a death investigation spoke with NBC10 Boston Friday as authorities remained tight-lipped about the specific details of the case. The incident happened Saturday at an apartment on Old...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[tlcya]

Without seeing the fire department report it is hard to piece together after the fact what info came straight from the report and what info has been embellished along the way by other individuals with reason to put their own spin on events.

As to the children being taken into custody by CPS, I would imagine even the suggestion that there is an issue would result in their removal until investigation of any allegations could be completed. So to me that is not proof that there was some wild drug and sex party going on with the children present.

I won't comment any further on this case unless or until more facts come to light and less info from "sources" I don't find credible is at the forefront. JMO YMMV

ETA this is all I can find from the actual report (DIRECT QUOTE PER THE HERALD)
“The apartment was in extremely unsanitary conditions. Approximately 6 adults, who appeared to be males, were seen in the apartment,” they wrote, saying they subsequently found “four children in the back bedroom being hidden by an adult male from first responders.”

According to the incident report the children ranged from ages 5 to 10.

“All of the adult parties were being uncooperative and did not provide helpful information. All adults present denied having children inside the apartment,” they wrote.

Fire crews say they filed a “51A form with the appropriate state agency.”
Kids, ‘drugs, sex toys,’ dead man in South Boston apartment: ‘Sickening’

 

[Ontario Mom]

Boston 25 news also obtained the FD report. (As I posted previously)

Boston 25 obtained the fire department report, which matched up with another source’s information.

According to the fire department report that I reviewed, firefighters found six adults “who appeared to be males” in the apartment, with four kids in a back bedroom. One of the men tried to stop first responders from going into the room where they found the children, who are ages 5 to 10. The report said the adults were uncooperative and denied having children inside the apartment.

‘Cry for help’: City councilor calls for answers after kids found in ‘house of horrors’ after death

First responders were called to the Mary Ellen McCormack Complex run by the Boston Housing Authority for a person not breathing, but that’s not all they found when they entered a top floor apartment.

www.boston25news.com

I don't care if these men were in dresses or wearing MAGA hats and khakis, or dressed up like the flipping Easter Bunny.

The fact is, these men all lied to first responders and tried to convince them there were no children there, when the children themselves were heard crying for help, hidden away in a back room.

The fact is, these children were removed from their parent's custody due to the extreme unsanitary living conditions in the apartment. Those 4 kids are the victims in this awful situation.

From the linked article, and the entire reason I posted this case in the first place:

"At the end of the day, my biggest concern is what were the children exposed to and were they hurt in any way,” said Murphy."

jmo

 

[shotgun09]

Boston 25 news also obtained the FD report. (As I posted previously)

Boston 25 obtained the fire department report, which matched up with another source’s information.

According to the fire department report that I reviewed, firefighters found six adults “who appeared to be males” in the apartment, with four kids in a back bedroom. One of the men tried to stop first responders from going into the room where they found the children, who are ages 5 to 10. The report said the adults were uncooperative and denied having children inside the apartment.

‘Cry for help’: City councilor calls for answers after kids found in ‘house of horrors’ after death

First responders were called to the Mary Ellen McCormack Complex run by the Boston Housing Authority for a person not breathing, but that’s not all they found when they entered a top floor apartment.

www.boston25news.com

It was that statement in that article that alarmed me. WHY would six adults be "hiding" children? Who, as reported and not denied, have been removed into CPS custody.

What exactly did the children say to First Responders on the scene? What did they say to CPS investigators?

Obviously, (and after reading @fred&edna 's post earlier about how the CPS investigations work) this particular incident was alarming enough to warrant removal.

IMO, their removal was not because of spilled Rice Krispies on the floor, and an overflowing dirty cat litter box. Nor was it because a man had collapsed and died in the home. Children witness that often ( sadly) and do not get removed. Something warranted removal.

MOO and Peace

 

[Ontario Mom]

It sounds as if this mom was in the apartment as she says "we".

"Nobody was hiding the kids, we were trying to keep the kids away from the person who was dead on the floor... it's pretty traumatizing."

Mom of 2 kids taken from South Boston apartment speaks as police, fire officials give conflicting details

The mother of two children removed from a South Boston apartment fire officials called “unsanitary” during a death investigation spoke with NBC10 Boston Friday as authorities remained tight-lipped about the specific details of the case. The incident happened Saturday at an apartment on Old...

www.nbcboston.com

It does sound like she's trying to state she was there.

Which is interesting, since all the other reports from BPD and BFD contradict that statement completely.
6 adults that appeared to be males, that denied having children in the apartment.

Not a single link I've seen mentions that the mother of 2 of the kids was inside the apartment along with the 6 adult males.

 

[sandy_80]

It sounds as if this mom was in the apartment as she says "we".

"Nobody was hiding the kids, we were trying to keep the kids away from the person who was dead on the floor... it's pretty traumatizing."

Mom of 2 kids taken from South Boston apartment speaks as police, fire officials give conflicting details

The mother of two children removed from a South Boston apartment fire officials called “unsanitary” during a death investigation spoke with NBC10 Boston Friday as authorities remained tight-lipped about the specific details of the case. The incident happened Saturday at an apartment on Old...

www.nbcboston.com

there is no mention of a female
its possible very much that after first responders came.. the scene was restaged 9 after feeling threatened ) for the police including this female which was called to come and participate in the act
jmo

 

[bestill]

I haven't read every post on this but just because the BFD and BPD have differing reports, media has differing converages and a town council member and a mayor have differing opinions and questions about what happened doesn't mean anyone is transphobic. Have we lost our way so much that we can't question what we're being told or reading because it's considered some type of "phobic"? This is so messed up to me.

I hope the investigation reports are released so that we can read them and have a better understanding about this. My questions are who has the most to lose by the truth?

All JMO

 

[Keane]

The fact is, these men all lied to first responders and tried to convince them there were no children there, when the children themselves were heard crying for help, hidden away in a back room.

That has not been established as fact.

 

[Sundog]

Boston 25 news also obtained the FD report. (As I posted previously)

Boston 25 obtained the fire department report, which matched up with another source’s information.

According to the fire department report that I reviewed, firefighters found six adults “who appeared to be males” in the apartment, with four kids in a back bedroom. One of the men tried to stop first responders from going into the room where they found the children, who are ages 5 to 10. The report said the adults were uncooperative and denied having children inside the apartment.

‘Cry for help’: City councilor calls for answers after kids found in ‘house of horrors’ after death

First responders were called to the Mary Ellen McCormack Complex run by the Boston Housing Authority for a person not breathing, but that’s not all they found when they entered a top floor apartment.

www.boston25news.com

Why would one of the men try to stop first responders from going into the back bedroom where the children were found? No wonder the Fire Department's first responders filed a report to have this investigated by the Department of Family Services, given this action by the male, an overdose death in the other room, and the drugs and sex toys observed in the apartment. And that the children were calling out for help.

I don't see how anyone can make the claim that the action by the Fire Department was inappropriate or question their judgement to report what they saw and experienced.

JMO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

That has not been established as fact.

The BFD report states this is what happened.
I have zero reason or any evidence at all to assume they're being dishonest so I will give them the benefit of the doubt and take their report as factual.

jmo

 

[Bodhi]

Why would one of the men try to stop first responders from going into the back bedroom where the children were found? No wonder the Fire Department's first responders filed to have

Again, that is not established as a fact. The Boston Police Department is on record disputing it. The police press release was put out specifically to rebut any suggestion that the adults were uncooperative or hiding children or that drugs were involved in the death or the scene. It establishes as a fact that each child had a parent present in the apartment and that parents and officers agreed to shield the children from the distressing unsuccessful effort to resusciate an adult they like knew.

The police statement clears up misunderstandings. It restores the dignity of the deceased person, the friends and parents, and the McCormack housing project.

 

[Bodhi]

The BFD report states this is what happened.
I have zero reason or any evidence at all to assume they're being dishonest so I will give them the benefit of the doubt and take their report as factual.

jmo

Nobody is accusing the Fire Department of being dishonest. Their incident report is not public. The union spokesperson does not speak for the Fire Department.

 

[cenazoic]

The BFD report states this is what happened.
I have zero reason or any evidence at all to assume they're being dishonest so I will give them the benefit of the doubt and take their report as factual.

The problem is that we the public haven’t seen this actual report (although we’ve seen the BPD’s). We’ve read reporting on the report, which isn’t the same thing.

There’s a lot of emphasis in this thread about ‘men in drag’, comments about ‘drag sex parties’ and trans people in general, but we have ZERO idea how the adults actually identify. Or what they were doing that day.

I agree that being trans/gay or whatever shouldn’t disqualify questions and simply asking questions in good faith is not transphobic. However, when the focus seems to be on these ‘men in drag’ and whatever demented thing such people might get up to (with children present!), mixed with a subtext of ‘and that makes whatever-this-is 100x worse!’ - that starts seeming a bit like… unexamined biases.

IMO.

 

[Sundog]

Again, that is not established as a fact. The Boston Police Department is on record disputing it. The police press release was put out specifically to rebut any suggestion that the adults were uncooperative or hiding children or that drugs were involved in the death or the scene. It establishes as a fact that each child had a parent present in the apartment and that parents and officers agreed to shield the children from the distressing unsuccessful effort to resusciate an adult they like knew.

The police statement clears up misunderstandings. It restores the dignity of the deceased
person, the friends and parents, and the McCormack housing project.

I understand there are conflicting reports, but the Fire Department were the first/initial first responders. To ignore their findings would be a disservice to the children and their safety and well-being. Hopefully the Dept of Children and Family Services will be able to make the right decision with regard to the well being of the children. I assume they will interview everyone involved, including the first first responders.

The actions of the males partying at the apartment doesn't concern me other than in relation to the children.


edits for spelling

 

[Ontario Mom]

Again, that is not established as a fact. The Boston Police Department is on record disputing it. The police press release was put out specifically to rebut any suggestion that the adults were uncooperative or hiding children or that drugs were involved in the death or the scene. It establishes as a fact that each child had a parent present in the apartment and that parents and officers agreed to shield the children from the distressing unsuccessful effort to resusciate an adult they like knew.

The police statement clears up misunderstandings. It restores the dignity of the deceased person, the friends and parents, and the McCormack housing project.

Boston PD was not first on scene, Boston FD was.
What they say they saw, is different than what Boston PD say they saw once they arrived.
It seems pretty obvious to me the adults likely tidied up a bit and responded more cooperatively once the police arrived.

The Boston PD statement doesn't clear anything up, it's just their version of what they saw.

Either way, the kids were still removed and taken into state custody. And those kids, are my only real concern.

jmo

 

[MyBelle]

Again, that is not established as a fact. The Boston Police Department is on record disputing it. The police press release was put out specifically to rebut any suggestion that the adults were uncooperative or hiding children or that drugs were involved in the death or the scene. It establishes as a fact that each child had a parent present in the apartment and that parents and officers agreed to shield the children from the distressing unsuccessful effort to resusciate an adult they like knew.

The police statement clears up misunderstandings. It restores the dignity of the deceased person, the friends and parents, and the McCormack housing project.

BBM. And here it is, day 9 after the unfortunate incident and still no arrest.

I choose to believe the BPD official response and trust that the family and children are safe and well. My sympathy to the deceased's family and friends.

JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

The problem is that we the public haven’t seen this actual report (although we’ve seen the BPD’s). We’ve read reporting on the report, which isn’t the same thing.

There’s a lot of emphasis in this thread about ‘men in drag’, comments about ‘drag sex parties’ and trans people in general, but we have ZERO idea how the adults actually identify. Or what they were doing that day.

I agree that being trans/gay or whatever shouldn’t disqualify questions and simply asking questions in good faith is not transphobic. However, when the focus seems to be on these ‘men in drag’ and whatever demented thing such people might get up to (with children present!), mixed with a subtext of ‘and that makes whatever-this-is 100x worse!’ - that starts seeming a bit like… unexamined biases.

IMO.

My focus is and has always been on the safety and well-being of the kids that were in that apartment. Period.

 

[46daze]

Maybe mom was one of the 6 “who appeared to be men.” This, MOO, is what makes the first reporting transphobic.

 

[MyBelle]

Nobody is accusing the Fire Department of being dishonest. Their incident report is not public. The union spokesperson does not speak for the Fire Department.

I agree. Plus, I've seen no proof the Boston Fire Department arrived before Police.

In my large city, the 9-1-1 dispatcher alerts Police, Fire/EMTs at the same time. The news media monitors radio dispatches and police will be needed for crowd control. They have no idea of the details behind the call for EMT help.

iirc, in this case, after it was determined the deceased could not be revived, Boston Detectives arrived to take photos of possible crime scene. I have no reason not to believe the official Police Report.

JMO