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Welcome to Ws yeshax!What’s your thoughts of the killer being a med student?
A medical student or a butcher- the person would have to have a tough stomach, imo.
Welcome to Ws yeshax!What’s your thoughts of the killer being a med student?
You and I are in lock-step on all of our thoughts. I think it was a pregnancy that needed to be hidden. The top half was tossed in the dumpster because it was ok that that part was found but the bottom half gone forever??? This murder haunts me to this day...
Welcome to Ws BornSkeptic!I'm very late in adding to this thread, but I've got an interest in this case because the "man with the white dog" lived next door to me -- at least, off and on. So, in the interest of having all the info here in one place, and for the sake of anyone else investigating this, I'll add a few additional bits of info that I know.
Herb Whitten (I knew him as "Will", which is how he introduced himself to me...) was the brother of the woman who owned the home next door to me. I suspect he was homeless, living out of his car, but am not positive of that fact. Anytime his sister was "away" (she would disappear for months -- Will intimated to me that she was hospitalized for some type of mental illness, but I again, I have no evidence of that), he would come and "house sit" until she came back and inevitably called the police to kick him out.
I initially knew Will as a carefree, happy-go-lucky sort. Never seemed to have a job, and he was always doing odd things -- I called him "the hippy next door", as he was often dressed in tie-dye shirts, building shoddy benches or birdbaths or sheds in the backyard. One of the things my wife and I remember was that he'd frequently be digging seemingly random holes -- when I asked him once what he was doing, he claimed he was putting in Koi ponds. He had a big Great Pyrynees dog, and would frequently dress himself and the dog up in matching Superman T-shirts. He told me he liked to dress up the dog and drive into the city at 2am when the bars let out, as it was a gimmick to get woman to stop and talk to him. Everything seemed harmless enough, we just thought he was an eccentric, and he wasn't really there often, maybe two or three months out of a year.
One year he came to stay for the better part of a summer, and the more he was around, the less "eccentric" and more "disturbed" he seemed to us. For one thing, he exhibited definitely bi-polar behaviors. I could be talking to him about something normal, and he'd suddenly switch from happy to agitated for the most innocent of conversations or actions -- something as simple as noticing a dent in his car door and asking him what happened to cause it would throw him into a defensive, aggressive rage. And he often had stories about (and bruises from) getting in fights with random people who were "hassling" him (he was Jewish, and often explained it as anti-semitism.) I was moonlighting at a job in Boston, and would frequently be getting home at 11-12 at night, and several times I'd pull in the driveway to see him standing in his front yard, shirtless, and wearing only shorts (or maybe underwear -- can't be sure) staring up at the sky.
We had three young kids (8-ish to 3-ish), and he would call them over into his yard to see something (like a frog) or to give them small gifts, like a salvaged, repainted, old beat up toy truck, which concerned us. To give the kids a defined line that they were not allowed to cross, we installed a fence, and that set him into a rage -- we didn't talk much in a neighborly way after that, as he was outwardly hostile over it.
When the murder occurred, and news came out that one of the people she was seen talking to last was a man with a big white dog, wearing matching Superman T's, we kind of freaked out -- but the police had apparently already investigated him and I believe he had already moved out again at that point. He came and went a few more times, and he didn't interact at all and was obviously angry.
I remember it as about 6 months later (though I've read other accounts stating it was a year), I came home to find police and medical examiner vehicles in their driveway. A pair of detectives came over to talk to me later that night, and said that he was dead in his bathtub. "Suicide?" I asked. And I distinctly remember the detective's response: "No way, the scene is way too bloody and violent. Somebody did this to him."
But when the news stories came out, there was no mention of homicide, only that he had committed suicide. Weird.
If you listen to the Crime Junkies podcast on this case, they mention that Karina had dated a Boston cop, and that there were rumors of a coverup, and that the Boston police department was somewhat infamous for the levels of corruption during that period. I believe it is definite possibility, given the certainty of the detective that I spoke with that it was a homicide, and then having that theory completely disappear from any news reports.
Personally, I think that he had it in him to murder. Like I wrote above, he was aggressive, angry, and a rather large guy -- probably 6'3" and rather powerfully built. But I don't know that he would have been clever enough to dispose of (and wash!) the body without being found out. Plus he apparently had a speeding ticket that night as an alibi, though Crime Junkies points out that there was nothing to deny that the body might have been already stashed, or even in the trunk of his car at the time.
My wife is convinced that the bottom half of the body is in one of those unfinished "Koi ponds" in the back of their yard, but the house has been sold twice now, and likely any evidence is long gone.
I remember it as about 6 months later (though I've read other accounts stating it was a year), I came home to find police and medical examiner vehicles in their driveway. A pair of detectives came over to talk to me later that night, and said that he was dead in his bathtub. "Suicide?" I asked. And I distinctly remember the detective's response: "No way, the scene is way too bloody and violent. Somebody did this to him."
But when the news stories came out, there was no mention of homicide, only that he had committed suicide. Weird.
Thinking about this case today I wondered if anyone had considered a BU med student and someone had. The med school is close by. Would have access to bone saws and equipment to dispose of the blood. She could not have possibly been dismembered in an apartment IMO.
Thinking about this case today I wondered if anyone had considered a BU med student and someone had. The med school is close by. Would have access to bone saws and equipment to dispose of the blood. She could not have possibly been dismembered in an apartment IMO.
IMO It is highly unlikely that she was dismembered inside any of the medical schools even by a student with access to the gross anatomy lab. Med schools (especially the labs) are incredibly secure facilities, and it has been that way for a long time. There is no way that someone could carry a body into the building undetected even at 3 am on a weekend.
That being said, it's always possible that someone with a medical background might have cut the body in two. At the very least, her killer was quite comfortable (if not skilled) with using a saw to dismember a body.
I read somewhere that a circular saw blade was found in the dumpster along with her body, but I can no longer locate the source. There are many different varieties of circular blades and depending on how specialized it was, it could reveal a lot about the killer.
True but why would he have to carry the body in? He would only have to carry her out after he murdered her inside. But I understand what you mean. I know it's possible she could have been dismembered in an apartment bathtub but the blood and noise would seem almost impossible to disguise. I don't believe a circular saw was ever found with the body because that would have been traced to it's store of origin in all likely hood and eventually to the killer. Also if the killer dismembered her because she would have been easier to remove from the murder scene why dump her in different locations?
Med schools are policed by security guards especially after hours. Even if you are are authorized to be there, the guards will check up on you. For that matter, the med schools likely had a lot video surveillance back in the 90s, too. Researchers were often targeted by animal activists and the need for security was pretty high.
Just a blade (not the entire saw) was found in the dumpster and the police never said whether it was connected to the murder. Its presence in the trash might have been purely coincidental. I've located that article and will post the contents later tonight.
I suspect that the killer was disrupted while putting the body in the dumpster behind 1091 Boylston and had to finish disposing of evidence elsewhere. There are a lot of apartment windows that overlook the dumpsters, plus vehicle and pedestrian traffic. There are many things that could have spooked him. I've never understood why the killer dumped her torso right there. He had been so cautious up until that point.