MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #11

[k-mac]

Doesn't matter. She didn't hit him.

That is not proven or factual.

You can't make opinion as fact.

She has been charged with it and it has not been disproven.

KR herself can't be sure if she hit him. one of her versions was did I hit him and in his drunkeness...he died?????

moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

What do you think they talked about?

The fact that she hit something and doesn’t remember what. But her tailight is busted & he’s missing. Thought she may have hit him.

- Staged tapping Johns car -

 

[skyedaze]

So do you think she could have just bumped him and his drunk self tripped and stumbled into the fire hydrant hitting his head?
Then he's injured and too drunk to get himself up and out of the cold so he dies there?
If so, how does that explain a way all of the weirdness and cover up type activity from all of the other people?
Massive butt dials and butt deletes?
How does that explain the dog bite looking injuries and the random rehoming of the dog, house reno and move?
And how did no one see him lying there???
Even if she did hit him somehow, we still have a lot of holes and missing information.

ALL of those people were drunk as heck and driving around in a snowstorm.
smh!

 

[keek]

When I heard her say this about John not showing signs of being in a fight, all I could think of was well, what about if he was hit from behind? Or perhaps someone was holding him/ restraining him while someone else worked him over ? He may have fallen after the first sucker punch. When he did not get up maybe someone kicked him in the head screaming “ Get up you snitch”. JMO.

THAT comment was a stunner. Is she the one that said he did not die from being in a fight: sounds like it. It was awful to hear someone in her position to be so absurd, what is her reference then? How would the person look? Like John with eye area like it was and being possibly BASHED from behind like thousands of people who are killed that way >

 

[fluffypaste]

That is not proven or factual.

You can't make opinion as fact.

She has been charged with it and it has not been disproven.

moo

Saying that the charges are true simply because "she's been charged with it" is circular reasoning.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Karen's reaction to finding John's body says everything I need to know about how she felt about him. You can hear her wailing in the background of the 911 call. There is no way that's fake. She loved him, intensely.

I also don't believe she could have had such an intense and convincing reaction if she were pretending to have just found the body. That's not pretend. Her reaction fully convinces me that she just found the body, with no prior knowledge of it.

She was hysterical before she “found” him

 

[TTF14]

I have never seen a prosecution's case as week as this one in all of the myriad trials I have followed. Never. I'm so curious about why they even chose to take this to trial. Is there a motive I'm not aware of? It's so weird!

 

[KSwizzle]

I can’t find the hair staying on the car plausible in any realm of existence, a single piece of hair staying on the car in a blizzard the whole time? Furthermore, if you believe it to be true, they were dating and why wouldn’t his hairs and or say touch dna be on her car

It was touch dna found on the taillight, which means he literally just could have put his hand on the taillight at any point reasonable for it to still be on there is is in no way indicative of a car strike

You don’t even need the dog bite theory to be true for her to have not hit JOK, I have no dog in the fight as it were and I’m just interpreting the facts but the dog theory doesn’t discredit there is no evidence showing he was struck by a car

He doesn’t have even had to have entered the house or moved after the times you state for something else to happen to him and Karen not hit him with her car

Extremely interesting case, just my personal opinion but at this point I don’t think she hit him and at the very least I don’t see how they can find her guilty of the highest charge brought against her

 

[HarmonyE.]

She has been charged with it and it has not been disproven.

She's an American citizen. It doesn't work that way here.

The prosecution has to do the proving. And they failed.

 

[nightowl1975]

Yeah the experts said being hit by a car can't be discounted either.

moo

Which experts said this?

 

[k-mac]

Saying that the charges are true simply because "she's been charged with it" is circular reasoning.

To be clear can you explain what circular reasoning is.

 

[fluffypaste]

Which experts said this?

Presumably this person is referring to Proctor and Trooper Paul. Go watch Paul's testimony and cross and see how much of an "expert" you think he really is. As for Proctor, I don't think we even need to talk about him.

 

[TTF14]

So sorry if this is duplicative, but I've been away all day. If the State rests tomorrow, do we think there's a possibility of a directed verdict? I have a hard time imagining how she'd not grant a directed verdict.

 

[k-mac]

That is not proven or factual.

You can't make opinion as fact.

She has been charged with it and it has not been disproven.

KR herself can't be sure if she hit him. one of her versions was did I hit him and in his drunkeness...he died?????

moo

She's an American citizen. It doesn't work that way here.

The prosecution has to do the proving. And they failed.

It does indeed work that way, She is currently under a court of law.
It has NOT been disproven that KR hit him.

When a jury comes back with a verdict there will be the answer.

Until then it is opinion only that she did/ or did not hit him.

moo

 

[fluffypaste]

So sorry if this is duplicative, but I've been away all day. If the State rests tomorrow, do we think there's a possibility of a directed verdict? I have a hard time imagining how she'd not grant a directed verdict.

Absolutely zero possibility of a directed verdict. I assure you this is going to the jury and they will decide Karen's fate.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ever play Clue? There are all kinds of every day items that could have been used by an assailant to cause that head injury.

Did I miss the ME discussing what caused the bruises to both fists?

Yes
One was a small abrasion and the other hand was from resuscitation attempts, IV site pushed warm fluids

 

[HarmonyE.]

It does indeed work that way, She is currently under a court of law.
It has NOT been disproven that KR hit him.

When a jury comes back with a verdict there will be the answer.

Sorry, but you are not correct. I'm not sure what your native country is, but in the US you are innocent until proven guilty by the prosecution.

 

[KMouse]

She was hysterical before she “found” him

She never loved John. She loved herself and still does.

 

[k-mac]

Which experts said this?

A tubby dude with grey hair. late 50s.
I will have a look later today if I get a chance.

 

[nodamselindistress]

It has not been DISPROVEN?

South America?