MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #11

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804151617215672686

 

[arielilane]

@JHall7news

The defense has completed it's cross examination of Dr Scordi-Bello Adam Lally is doing his re-direct. It possible the Commonwealth could rest within a few minutes if this is Lally's last witness.


9:58 AM · Jun 21, 2024

 

[TIGER0822]

THAT comment was a stunner. Is she the one that said he did not die from being in a fight: sounds like it. It was awful to hear someone in her position to be so absurd, what is her reference then? How would the person look? Like John with eye area like it was and being possibly BASHED from behind like thousands of people who are killed that way >

All Il could think of is that she is not excluding the possibility that he was in a fight (legal verbiage) and that I am trying to cover up for the report I wrote that may cost me my medical license or at least a reprimand.

 

[arielilane]

@SueNBCBoston

Little is done.
Lally is back.
Could a piece of plastic cause the injuries to the face?
-yes


9:58 AM · Jun 21, 2024

 

[arielilane]

@BienickWCVB

Lally begins re-direct questioning. Asks about a minor knee injury O'Keefe suffered. Asks about other possible causes of injuries to his face.

"Not typical but possible," Scordi-Bello says about the possibility that being dragged could result in a single abrasion to the back of the head.

Scordi-Bello says defensive wounds often include injuries she did not see in this case: forearm bruises ad cut, knuckle bruising, broken fingers, etc.

 

[arielilane]

@SueNBCBoston

Having a hard time hearing Lally.Back of head injuries consistent also with hitting frozen ground.Asking what defense wounds she doesn’t see.
-knuckle bruising, broken fingers.


What’s your opinion about what caused the head injuries?
-I don’t know how they came to be
They are consistent with a fall to the back of the head.

Again a single impact with a fall could cause all of these injuries.
Lally is done

 

[nodamselindistress]

Lally/the CW rests!

Hallelujah

 

[arielilane]

The CW rest.

 

[arielilane]

@BienickWCVB

Scordi-Bello is excused. Prosecution rests. Alan Jackson begins to say, "The defense moves to..." The judge interrupts him and calls for a sidebar.


10:03 AM · Jun 21, 2024

 

[TIGER0822]

How long have you known her

Nooooo!!! I want to see the ACTUAL experts testify. We cannot be deprived of that after all the nonsense we’ve witnessed over the past 2 months.

Who is not testifying? ??

 

[Derph]

Good morning and Happy Friday! What a day this will be!
Just a quick note. This trial, and every other trial, is NOT about whether or not you like KR or hate KR. On a grander scale, this trial isn't even really about KR, JOK or anyone else. This trial, and every trial, is a mechanism based on our Constitution that protects ALL of us. And the basic premise behind that is fairness to the individual's rights.

So...even if you hate KR...even if you think she "probably" did it, that isn't what any of this is about. We would all love to say that this is about justice for JOK. It isn't really. It is about seeking the truth. And the only fair way to seek the truth in a civilized society is to practice the rules of law as they are established in our laws, including statutory and case law, as applied to the Constitution.

So, if you feel that as a juror, you cold vote Guilty on any of the counts (keeping in mind that the trial is still going on and the defense hasn't even presented one witness as of yet) you must agree that it is OK and perfectly fine to have the following things happen to YOU, or your loved one if this were you or them on trial.

Failure to secure a crime scene (plus not even investigating the entire crime scene)
Evidence kept in plastic cups borrowed from a neighbor
Vehicle taken to the workplace of the homeowner who is a cop and happens to have been designated as excluded from case for conflict of interest
A lead investigator that is familiar with the witnesses in the case and zeroes in on you as a suspect within 12 hours based upon witness testimony by said witnesses
A lead investigator who is revealed to be completely biased against the accused due to physical body and your private personal medical issues
Several key witnesses deleting and disposing of cell phones with potential relevant and perhaps exonerating evidence
A judge who has a personal and professional connection to your accusers

These are just a few, but I bet there are many others I missed as I am only on coffee #2 so far today. But just imagine you or your loved one is found laying dead on the lawn of a home where people were in and out, all drunk, in the middle of the night during a snowstorm and investigators do not enter the home on the property.

So my point is that John deserved better than this. And whether you hate Karen or not, or think she might have done it or not, this is about YOU. And if the kind of investigation is allowed to put a person away for their entire lives in this manner, then I would say our legal system as a whole has failed.

JMO

My God this might be the best post I've ever read on this entire website!!!! Very well said!!

 

[arielilane]

#KarenRead Day 28 of testimony. Dr. Irini Scordi-Bello, the medical examiner who performed an autopsy on O'Keefe, will be back on the stand. She has testified his injuries are consistent with a fall or car crash but not a "major altercation". Jurors will likely see autopsy pics.


Scordi-Bello returns to the stand. Says she received the police report then reached out to police for more info. "I did not have all the information I needed to determine the manner (of death)," she says.



Scordi-Bello says she spoke with Tpr Michael Proctor twice during her investigation. Says she did not feel pressured to come up with a specific reponse.


Lally hands Scordi-Bello five photos. She says four show O'Keefe's body at the hospital and another shows him during the autopsy.


Prosecutor Lally displays a picture of O'Keefe at the hospital. His head, chest and one arm are visible. He's attached to medical equipment. His head injuries are visible. Jurors are looking at the screen and have no visible reaction.


Now Lally is showing a close-up of O'Keefe's right arm with what Scordi-Bello describes as superficial abrasions. "I do not know how they came to be," she says. Says they did not contribute to his death.

Scordi-Bello says the bruise and two small dots on the back of O'Keefe's right hand could be first attempts by first-responders to insert an IV.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804142061144113446

Jurors are now seeing a closer picture of O'Keefe's head. His eye lids are swollen and discolored. Scordi-Bellos says there are small abrasions on his nose.

Jurors are now seeing a close-up shot of O'Keefe's head. A patch of hair has been shave. Scordo-Bellom says there is a laceration typical of blunt force trauma. This is the most graphic photo. One juror is biting her finger.


"They're not the classic pedestrian injuries we've observed," Scordi-Bello says. But she says it is possible they are the result of a fall or car crash.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804143475362771116

Scordi-Bello says in most car-pedestrian crashes there are injuries to the legs. But she says the height of Read's SUV might explain the absence of such injuries on O’Keefe.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804144128906743859

Defense attorney Elizabeth Little begins cross examining Scordi-Bello by asking about the different kinds of blunt force injuries. Little asks if such injuries could be claws. Scordi-Bello: "Claws? Possibly."


Scordi-Bello says it is "likely and unlikely at the same time" that O'Keefe's injuries were caused by Read's SUV traveling at 24 mph.
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Little is showing a photo of O'Keefe's face. Scordi-Bello says it shows him after he has been washed. Scordi-Bello says, "That is a possibility" when asked if his injuries are the result of being punched.


Scordi-Bello says the scratch on the back of the head could also have been caused by being dragged.


Scordi-Bello agrees that the skull fracture could have been caused by a blow from a baseball bat or a barbell.


Scordi-Bello says O'Keefe's arm injuries could have been caused by "road rash" but agrees with Little that this is not normally how they appear.


O'Keefe's family cannot see the large screen where the pictures are being displayed. But they can see them on the laptops at the prosecution and defense tables.


Little shows another picture of bruises on O'Keefe's hands. Points out that hospital staff inserted an IV in his leg. Scordi-Bello agrees hand bruises are often defensive wounds.

Little asks if the injuries are consistent with a physical altercation. Lally objections. Judge sustains. Sidebar.


Scodi-Bello agrees that O'Keefe's head injuries could be the result of a single impact or multiple impacts. Also agrees that a punch to the face could cause someone to fall back and hit their head.


Little shows Scordi-Bello the photo of O'Keefe's head and torso at the hospital. Asks about pooling of blood in the body after death.


Lally begins re-direct questioning. Asks about a minor knee injury O'Keefe suffered. Asks about other possible causes of injuries to his face.

"Not typical but possible," Scordi-Bello says about the possibility that being dragged could result in a single abrasion to the back of the head.

Scordi-Bello says defensive wounds often include injuries she did not see in this case: forearm bruises ad cut, knuckle bruising, broken fingers, etc.


Scordi-Bello is excused. Prosecution rests. Alan Jackson begins to say, "The defense moves to..." The judge interrupts him and calls for a sidebar.

 

[TIGER0822]

She had her own house, seriously no one calls at those hours unless there’s an issue.

If I killed someone, I would not be calling people to discuss it. Dear God may I never be in that situation.

 

[arielilane]

@TedDanielnews

on redirect ADA Lally asks about head injuries:
AL: could that also be consistent with striking his head on frozen ground?
IS: Could be, yes

Breaking: Commonwealth has rested in the Karen Read murder trial.
AJ immediately stood up to say something and Judge called sidebar

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804153527448519167

 

[thebedbug]

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to say the skull was fractured as he had no broken bones. People are referencing the fact that outside of his skull, which no one refutes he has a grievous injury on, he had no broken bones which, and just my opinion only, is unbelievable considering the commonwealth claims he was hit at 24mph directly on his arm, to me that’s literally impossible given the scenario trooper Paul is claiming

The impact of something (even Read's SUV) at 24mph doesn't automatically break a bone.

A lot of factors would go into it:

what was his body positioning when he's hit?
did he have a moment to brace?
could he have been trying to jump out of the way?
what surface is he being hit by?
what's the reaction of his body after he's hit?
does he fly through the air?
does he "stick" to the car some?
does he go under the car?
do any combination of those things happen?
if he's knocked in the air... where does he land?
how does he land?

...and those are just off the top of my head. i'm sure we could come up with a dozen more, if we put a few minutes into it.

anecdotally - when I was a kid (about 10 or 11), I had a friend that ran out into the street and got hit by a car - which I can only guess was going somewhere between 25-35mph (it was a pretty rural one-lane street with very little traffic, but that's how fast people would go). in some combination of forces and momentum I don't quite understand, he was knocked up and landed in the yard across the street. He was home from the hospital that night with no broken bones (or - to be fair - skull fractures). having said that, it's not hard to imagine how it all could've ended much worse if any number of factors had been slightly different.

if you want to talk about being disingenuous - i'd suggest that anyone claiming the lack of other broken bones on his body is a sure sign he wasn't hit by her SUV, certainly fits the description.

 

[adot0902]

Good morning and Happy Friday! What a day this will be!
Just a quick note. This trial, and every other trial, is NOT about whether or not you like KR or hate KR. On a grander scale, this trial isn't even really about KR, JOK or anyone else. This trial, and every trial, is a mechanism based on our Constitution that protects ALL of us. And the basic premise behind that is fairness to the individual's rights.

So...even if you hate KR...even if you think she "probably" did it, that isn't what any of this is about. We would all love to say that this is about justice for JOK. It isn't really. It is about seeking the truth. And the only fair way to seek the truth in a civilized society is to practice the rules of law as they are established in our laws, including statutory and case law, as applied to the Constitution.

So, if you feel that as a juror, you cold vote Guilty on any of the counts (keeping in mind that the trial is still going on and the defense hasn't even presented one witness as of yet) you must agree that it is OK and perfectly fine to have the following things happen to YOU, or your loved one if this were you or them on trial.

Failure to secure a crime scene (plus not even investigating the entire crime scene)
Evidence kept in plastic cups borrowed from a neighbor
Vehicle taken to the workplace of the homeowner who is a cop and happens to have been designated as excluded from case for conflict of interest
A lead investigator that is familiar with the witnesses in the case and zeroes in on you as a suspect within 12 hours based upon witness testimony by said witnesses
A lead investigator who is revealed to be completely biased against the accused due to physical body and your private personal medical issues
Several key witnesses deleting and disposing of cell phones with potential relevant and perhaps exonerating evidence
A judge who has a personal and professional connection to your accusers

These are just a few, but I bet there are many others I missed as I am only on coffee #2 so far today. But just imagine you or your loved one is found laying dead on the lawn of a home where people were in and out, all drunk, in the middle of the night during a snowstorm and investigators do not enter the home on the property.

So my point is that John deserved better than this. And whether you hate Karen or not, or think she might have done it or not, this is about YOU. And if the kind of investigation is allowed to put a person away for their entire lives in this manner, then I would say our legal system as a whole has failed.

JMO

Someone already said it, but I'm saying it again so people who may have missed your post have a chance to see it!

ONE OF if not THE best posts on the KR thread.

 

[TIGER0822]

IMO
The voice messages KR left JO in that half hour period after she's left him for dead...

I effing hate you john!!
Your such a effing looser!
Your a pervert john!
You effing that other girl!



IMO those messages are 'look what you made you made me do.'


All roads lead to Karen Read's unhinged rage as showcased in the very messages from that very hour.

moo

Compare with Proctor's and the people who were in the house texts and actions and conflicting evidence!

 

[jepop]

Those arm injuries remain the elephant in the room. I really thought the medical examiner would have been required to take swabs and/or analyse them (compare with a data base or something?) in order to assist her with acertaining manner of death or at least some of the circumstances surrounding time immediately leading up to sustaining head wound. Imo she's a sub par ME.

Surely part of defense's case will unpack how those wounds were basically ignored at every stage of the investigation, plus accident recons are going to surely note that impact with a flat object (such as a tail light) is unlikely to have caused them. At least Little managed to get it out of ME that the wounds are discrete and uniform such as might be left by the claw of a dog. jmo

 

[TIGER0822]

It's only my own wild speculation, and i guess it might depend on what rebuttal the prosecution offers - but as things stand I do wonder how we can expect a jury to resolve these questions?

I suspect the defence experts on the injuries, reconstruction and the telematics will poke a lot of holes.

IMO

Dbm