MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[Derph]

So we get to see a local freaking weatherman to tell us the ground was closed but not an FBI expert to tell how crappy the investigation into the murder was. Make this make sense to me?

 

[cocomod]

So we get to see a local freaking weatherman to tell us the ground was closed but not an FBI expert to tell how crappy the investigation into the murder was. Make this make sense to me?

There is NO way to make sense of her rulings!!

"The court finds that expert testimony is not needed for the jury to determine whether or not the investigation was compromised by any failure to follow procedures or pursue other suspects," Cannone wrote.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

And like clockwork and another slap in the face for the Defense by this thing presiding over this case. This is getting ridiculous.

The Defense will not be able to disclose the FBI investigation into JOK's murder. judge will NOT let Michael Easter (retired FBI) testify for defense about quality of police investigation.

But I thought the investigation was OVER and NOTHING came of it?? Why then are they hiding it?

Oh and she WON'T let Karen wear headphones so she can hear what is being said at sidebar!!!!!!

I just can't with this *(&&*^&"&^ %$0- #$#$T$ %&%, anymore.

At what point does Judge Cannone’s apparent bias become harmful to the CW’s case? If KR is convicted, surely her defense will argue that she was subject to unfair treatment. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Judge blocks Karen Read's defense from calling expert in 2nd trial

One day before the start of jury selection for Karen Read's second trial, the judge overseeing the case blocked one of the defense's planned witnesses from testifying in the case.

www.wcvb.com

3/31/25

Judge Beverly Cannone ruled Monday that retired FBI special agent Michael Easter can not be called to testify about his criticisms of the investigation into Boston police officer John O'Keefe's death.


"The court finds that expert testimony is not needed for the jury to determine whether or not the investigation was compromised by any failure to follow procedures or pursue other suspects," Cannone wrote.

 

[Forest_Wood]

There is NO way to make sense of her rulings!!

"The court finds that expert testimony is not needed for the jury to determine whether or not the investigation was compromised by any failure to follow procedures or pursue other suspects," Cannone wrote.

The jury will easily be able to discern how the investigation was compromised by failure to follow procedures. It is so evident IMO, even without the FBI testimonies!
MOO

 

[Derph]

Another ruling:

Memorandum of Decision and Order on Commonwealth’s Motion in Limine to Preclude The Defendant From Raising A Third-Party Culprit Defense — ALLOWED in Part and DENIED in Part. -CANNOT use Colin Albert, CAN use Brian Higgins and Brian Albert.

 

[mrjitty]

Sensible ruling and no surprises.

IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

At what point does Judge Cannone’s apparent bias become harmful to the CW’s case? If KR is convicted, surely her defense will argue that she was subject to unfair treatment. MOO

Very heavy lift IMO.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

There is NO way to make sense of her rulings!!

"The court finds that expert testimony is not needed for the jury to determine whether or not the investigation was compromised by any failure to follow procedures or pursue other suspects," Cannone wrote.

Almost seems IMO that the judge’s ruling, IIUC is possibly conflating issues? “….. by any failure to follow procedures or pursue other suspects,” …….

Whether or not the investigation is compromised, would in and of itself be a separate and distinct matter. And whether or not other suspects were (or were not) considered is also a separate matter. Both could be true, or false. Why would those two elements be linked in a ruling? SMH. MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Can anyone explain why Karen Read told to Jen McCabe that she left John at The Waterfall that night?

A difficult piece of testimony for the defence if believed IMO. This is where the doco could really but the defence in the hind quarters. Defendant says clearly in the doc he was at the door and it can’t be reconciled IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

I started a long post to this on Fri, but got pulled away and I thought I saved it but it didn't save, and I don't feel like looking up all the research I did so I'm going to try to wing it. For this I did a quick google search and I apologize for not saving my sources that I had on a much longer post.

I might not understand biology properly but if JOK was dead, how could blood pump to his hand to form a bruise? How could an IV work without blood circulation unless he was having his heart pumped. And they would have had to perform that hours after he died, and all thru the time EMS showed up, got him to a hospital and into an ER.

Bruising can appear on a dead body as uncirculated blood pools in the extremities.
Lividity (Postmortem Stain):
As blood circulation stops, blood pools in the lowest parts of the body, causing a reddish-purple discoloration that looks like a bruise.

• Lividity( blood pooling) starts appearing within a few hours of death.
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• It's initially not fixed, meaning the area will blanch under pressure and shift with body position.
  
  
• After about 4-6 hours, the lividity becomes fixed, meaning it doesn't blanch and shifts with body position.

In some cases, bruises have been found to appear after death, even several hours later.

• • The time it takes for livor mortis to become fixed can vary.
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• Other observers have noted a different time sequence; lividity becoming apparent from 20 minutes to 2 hours after death, reaching maximum intensity in 6–9 hours and becoming fixed from 3 to 5 days.
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• After death, blood stops circulation stops and blood pools in the area closest to the ground.
  
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  • The capillaries in the dermis are occluded by the surrounding fat as it solidifies, preventing the blood from moving.

There are a few reasons a bruise can form: Medications, nutrient deficiency, diabetes, and several other diseases and procedures that don't have any baring on this that we know of. I think we all can agree that trauma seems the most logical explanation for the bruise on his hand. But if blood has stopped circulating then the bruise wouldn't form from trauma, but from lividity. So therefore the bruise on JOK's hand could not form from the trauma of the IV needle OR the trauma happened BEFORE death! If you look at the autopsy photos ( which I'm not going to post here) there is a bruise on JOK's hand starting in the middle of the hand and going down to around the 1st knuckle on his pointer finger. So that bruise either happened when JOK was hit by the car or by some other incident. A fight perhaps, or a fall or a defensive action from something that he was trying to get away from. The point is we don't know exactly and that to me raises doubt. One of the avalanche of doubt I have about KR hitting him with her car.

I had a lot more on this that went into could the bruise indicate of the body was moved. If lividity was the reason for the bruise was it caused by the way he was laying there in the snow and if he was propped up at some point but I think I made my point above. This is my understanding of things and I may be wrong.

I think I'd choose the opinion of the ME who examined John's body, and saw the ER notes, over Google. The defense didn't cross-examine the ME on this not being a viable explanation, due to death having already occurred, or due to it being lividity.

The ER doctor, Dr Rice, testified about perfusion that existed as a result of CPR, for the hour at the hospital before death was pronounced.

3.18.30 -

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Very heavy lift IMO.

Agree to disagree. In my opinion, Judge Cannone’s refusal to recuse herself despite alleged connections to Jen McCabe and Julie Nagel, her restrictive rulings to the defense, her admission of questionable expert testimony in the prosecutions favor (specifically Dr. Crosby, who is an animal doctor, but testified to John’s human injuries), her denials of motion to dismiss and her behavior when she realized that the murder 2 was likely a NG verdict, as well as her abrupt terminations of hearings when defense is speaking, all set up KR’s defense team with strong grounds for appeal based on judicial bias and impeding the defense. All IMO, and of course there’s only one way to find out… sit back and watch it all unfold!

 

[Derph]

A difficult piece of testimony for the defence if believed IMO. This is where the doco could really but the defence in the hind quarters. Defendant says clearly in the doc he was at the door and it can’t be reconciled IMO.

Absolutely NOTHING that came out of that person's mouth can be believed to be the truth. I found her testimony to completely unbelievable and vile. No one can not remember all the things she couldn't remember. Funny how her memory worked in complete and vivid detail when she was drunk but when she's completely sober she couldn't remember a single thing she said yesterday or the day before. Every single question the Defense asked her she had to have her memory be refreshed. But yet she blathered on and on and on when the Prosection asked her a question. That's called lying and that's what she did every time she opened her mouth.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Absolutely NOTHING that came out of that person's mouth can be believed to be the truth. I found her testimony to completely unbelievable and vile. No one can not remember all the things she couldn't remember. Funny how her memory worked in complete and vivid detail when she was drunk but when she's completely sober she couldn't remember a single thing she said yesterday or the day before. Every single question the Defense asked her she had to have her memory be refreshed. But yet she blathered on and on and on when the Prosection asked her a question. That's called lying and that's what she did every time she opened her mouth.

Her trying to say that Google somehow fudged the time of the search was very sketchy to me. Especially since expert testimony found that that’s basically impossible. In my humble opinion.

 

[Derph]

I think I'd choose the opinion of the ME who examined John's body, and saw the ER notes, over Google. The defense didn't cross-examine the ME on this not being a viable explanation, due to death having already occurred, or due to it being lividity.

The ER doctor, Dr Rice, testified about perfusion that existed as a result of CPR, for the hour at the hospital before death was pronounced.

3.18.30 -

Well just saying, a medical examiner from the same office is still saying Sandra Birchmore committed suicide so you might not want to put too much stock in them.

State medical examiner still considers Sandra Birchmore’s death a suicide despite prosecution of ex-Stoughton officer - The Boston Globe

 

[keek]

Well just saying, a medical examiner from the same office is still saying Sandra Birchmore committed suicide so you might not want to put too much stock in them.

State medical examiner still considers Sandra Birchmore’s death a suicide despite prosecution of ex-Stoughton officer - The Boston Globe

ALL of them shocked me really, at their seemingly unwillingness to feel they could be totally truthful. It was cringey. They all work for the STATE OF MA. Don't want to be harrassed, lose their jobs might of gone through their minds all along. They seemed scared and I was not looking for that for sure. <modsnip: Off topic details of other case have been removed>

 

[Tortoise]

Well just saying, a medical examiner from the same office is still saying Sandra Birchmore committed suicide so you might not want to put too much stock in them.

State medical examiner still considers Sandra Birchmore’s death a suicide despite prosecution of ex-Stoughton officer - The Boston Globe

I also provided a link to the evidence of the doctor who was working on John's body, who said there was perfusion when they were accessing his veins.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906808771344732358

 

[Derph]

ALL of them shocked me really, at their seemingly unwillingness to feel they could be totally truthful. It was cringey. They all work for the STATE OF MA. Don't want to be harrassed, lose their jobs might of gone through their minds all along. They seemed scared and I was not looking for that for sure. <modsnip: Off topic details of other case have been removed>

Exactly. Their track record isn't exactly stellar. There was this jewel that resulted in 20,000 convictions being dropped!!

Massive drug lab scandal results in 20,000 convictions dropped

Five years ago, Massachusetts drug lab chemist Annie Dookhan was caught faking results. That led to Tuesday's dismissal of over 21,000 convictions.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Wishbone]

I also provided a link to the evidence of the doctor who was working on John's body, who said there was perfusion when they were accessing his veins.

The perfusion pressure must not have been enough.
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When perfusion pressure in certain areas drops too low, that can lead to major problems. The two most critical areas where this can happen are your heart and brain. When either of these organs isn't getting enough blood flow, it can lead to serious or life-threatening conditions.

What is Perfusion Pressure?

Perfusion pressure is what ensures your blood flows to everywhere it needs to go. Without it, blood can’t circulate, leading to serious or even deadly problems.

my.clevelandclinic.org