MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[kuromiiiilove]

No, we don’t know timestamp cannot be wrong.
When listening to testimony it’s important to listen to all of it. Not just the defense.

Thank you, Linda. I did listen to the whole trial while it was happening, so I did listen to prosecution as well as the defense. I am happy to explain my reasoning a little further. All IMO.

Search engines like Google record the exact time a search query is executed using server-side timestamps. When you perform a search, the request is sent to Google’s servers, which log the exact time of the query using their synchronized clocks. This ensures that the recorded time reflects when the search was processed, independent of the user’s device clock.

Furthermore, experts testifying on behalf of the prosecution stated that the 2:27 a.m. timestamp reflected when the Safari browser tab was initially opened, not when the search query was executed. They claim this was due to the WAL (write ahead log). I find this to be an intentional conflation, and in my opinion, this is not possible. The timestamp in question comes directly from Google’s servers, not from Safari’s WAL . It cannot be altered due to tabs being re-opened, new searches from the same tab, etc. It is an accurate reflection of when Jen McCabe made the ‘hos long’ search.

As always, all IMO unless substantiated by source.

 

[Derph]

Brian Higgins' behavior in particular was so odd, both on that night and in the subsequent days, that I think it bears singling out:

• We know that in the weeks prior to John's death, he and Karen had exchanged a series of messages and had kissed once. He admitted on the stand that he was romantically interested in her.
• The evening of John’s death, while everyone was at the Waterfall bar, Higgins texted Karen “Um, well..." which she ignored. We know how affectionate JO and KR were that night and I think he was becoming jealous watching them.
• After Higgins leaves the bar he goes to the Albert home and at 12:20 AM he texts John O’Keefe, “Where you at?”
• He says he left almost immediately afterwards because there was no Jameson whiskey there. Note that John was supposedly struck at 12:25 AM, right around the time Higgins, by his own testimony, would be leaving the house.
• We now know that he is on videotape arriving at the Canton PD at 1:26 AM. It’s only a five minute drive. Where was he for that missing hour? He claimed the roads were bad, but everyone else was driving around at more or less normal speeds and he was driving a Jeep.
• On the stand he claimed that he went to the PD only to move some cars around, but he is on videotape talking to someone on his phone. We don’t know who he was speaking with at that time of night. (Notably this didn’t come out in the original trial. The footage was originally withheld from the defense and they only found out about it recently. Apparently, Higgins didn’t mention this call in either his state or federal testimony.)
• At 2:22 AM when he’s at home, he and Brian Albert exchange phone calls. They later deny making the calls and claim they are “butt dials”.
• At 6:30 AM the next morning, Brian Albert calls him to tell him about JO and Higgins

• immediately shows up at the scene. This is shortly after JO is found in the snow. Brian Albert wouldn’t come out onto his lawn, but he called Higgins? Why?
• According to access logs, Higgins then goes to Canton PD and is there from 7 AM to 5 PM. (Remember, this is a Saturday. Higgins has the day off.)
• The logs also show that he enters the sally port that day, although Higgins says he doesn’t “recollect” if he was there at the same time as Karen’s SUV. The video from that time period is missing.
• Nine months later, Higgins drove to a military base to destroy his phone and its SIM card. He claimed he did it there because it was on his way, but that really makes no sense.

Keep in mind, this man is an ATF agent, who has an ethical duty to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, yet destroyed his phone in the most suspicious way possible so that it could never be examined. There’s also a lot I’ve left out, like the roughhousing at the Waterfall; the mysterious Jeep and its plow; his claim that he wasn’t at the PD on Saturday, but can’t remember where he was; and much more.

There's also the tape of Higgins being aggressively grabbed by Brian Albert as he was pointing and saying something in the direction of JOK and KR. Were words exchanged?

 

[sunshineray]

I do that too. However, Google does not update the timestamp when a tab is revisited. You will potentially see a second search, but the first search will still be there, unaltered.
Google search URLs contain timestamps that indicate when the search occurred. These timestamps are embedded in the URL parameters and are used to track the exact time of user actions.

Browser history timestamps are pretty accurate. Google and other search engines simply don’t do when Jen insinuated they did with her ‘hos long to die in cold’ search.

Especially when you consider she is not claiming to have searched something earlier and revisited the tab later as you suggest. She is claiming that she made a search around 6am, and Google transposed it to an EARLIER time of 2:27. Simply not possible.

All imo.

I understood it to be that she said on the stand KR either called/or was with her searching? And KR was frantic about JOK being out in the cold and that's when she googled that? And didn't the tech expert say Jen used a tab opened at that 2am time but the "hos" search was hours later?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I understood it to be that she said on the stand KR either called/or was with her searching? And KR was frantic about JOK being out in the cold and that's when she googled that? And didn't the tech expert say Jen used a tab opened at that 2am time but the "hos" search was hours later?

Yes, that is correct. Jen McCabe claimed the search was made when KR was looking for JOK with the group, around 6:30 AM. She claims that KR told her to make the search.

And yes, experts for the prosecution claimed that the tab was opened at 2:27, and that the ‘hos long’ search was made later. My post you quoted explains why I feel that is not possible, given the timestamp is from Googles servers, not from JM’s safari app.

 

[Derph]

Thank you, Linda. I did listen to the whole trial while it was happening, so I did listen to prosecution as well as the defense. I am happy to explain my reasoning a little further. All IMO.

Search engines like Google record the exact time a search query is executed using server-side timestamps. When you perform a search, the request is sent to Google’s servers, which log the exact time of the query using their synchronized clocks. This ensures that the recorded time reflects when the search was processed, independent of the user’s device clock.

Furthermore, experts testifying on behalf of the prosecution stated that the 2:27 a.m. timestamp reflected when the Safari browser tab was initially opened, not when the search query was executed. They claim this was due to the WAL (write ahead log). I find this to be an intentional conflation, and in my opinion, this is not possible. The timestamp is question comes directly from Google’s servers, not from Safari’s WAL . It cannot be altered due to tabs being re-opened, new searches from the same tab, etc. It is an accurate reflection of when Jen McCabe made the ‘hos long’ search.

As always, all IMO unless substantiated by source.

Funny how the only search jen deleted was THAT one. 1 out of, what was it 40,000 items on her phone. Why just that one? Absolutely laughable to ignore all the red flags that woman waved.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Funny how the only search jen deleted was THAT one. 1 out of, what was it 40,000 items on her phone. Why just that one? Absolutely laughable to ignore all the red flags that woman waved.

Talk about ‘consciousness of guilt’… IMO

 

[rescuemom]

I don’t believe she went from searching basketball scores to Hos long to die in cold

Unbelievable is right. This tragedy is unbelievable. The first she needed to do for her daughter. The second she needed to do to protect herself.

 

[keek]

Not enough weight has been given to the blood dripping down JOK's shirt IMHO. It is evidence that at some point he was standing or seated to have allowed the blood to flow downwards onto his shirt. As he was found laying on the ground, the blood would have dripped down onto the ground under his head.

Down his shirt onto the top leg of his jeans. He was for sure sat up but due to the head wound the expert said he would of been immobilized. Basement floor dug up, carpet removed situation.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Brian Higgins' behavior in particular was so odd, both on that night and in the subsequent days, that I think it bears singling out:

• We know that in the weeks prior to John's death, he and Karen had exchanged a series of messages and had kissed once. He admitted on the stand that he was romantically interested in her.
• The evening of John’s death, while everyone was at the Waterfall bar, Higgins texted Karen “Um, well..." which she ignored. We know how affectionate JO and KR were that night and I think he was becoming jealous watching them.
• After Higgins leaves the bar he goes to the Albert home and at 12:20 AM he texts John O’Keefe, “Where you at?”
• He says he left almost immediately afterwards because there was no Jameson whiskey there. Note that John was supposedly struck at 12:25 AM, right around the time Higgins, by his own testimony, would be leaving the house.
• We now know that he is on videotape arriving at the Canton PD at 1:26 AM. It’s only a five minute drive. Where was he for that missing hour? He claimed the roads were bad, but everyone else was driving around at more or less normal speeds and he was driving a Jeep.
• On the stand he claimed that he went to the PD only to move some cars around, but he is on videotape talking to someone on his phone. We don’t know who he was speaking with at that time of night. (Notably this didn’t come out in the original trial. The footage was originally withheld from the defense and they only found out about it recently. Apparently, Higgins didn’t mention this call in either his state or federal testimony.)
• At 2:22 AM when he’s at home, he and Brian Albert exchange phone calls. They later deny making the calls and claim they are “butt dials”.
• At 6:30 AM the next morning, Brian Albert calls him to tell him about JO and Higgins immediately shows up at the scene. This is shortly after JO is found in the snow. Brian Albert wouldn’t come out onto his lawn, but he called Higgins? Why?
• According to access logs, Higgins then goes to Canton PD and is there from 7 AM to 5 PM. (Remember, this is a Saturday. Higgins has the day off.)
• The logs also show that he enters the sally port that day, although Higgins says he doesn’t “recollect” if he was there at the same time as Karen’s SUV. The video from that time period is missing.
• Nine months later, Higgins drove to a military base to destroy his phone and its SIM card. He claimed he did it there because it was on his way, but that really makes no sense.

Keep in mind, this man is an ATF agent, who has an ethical duty to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, yet destroyed his phone in the most suspicious way possible so that it could never be examined. There’s also a lot I’ve left out, like the roughhousing at the Waterfall; the mysterious Jeep and its plow; his claim that he wasn’t at the PD on Saturday, but can’t remember where he was; and much more.

Much of the behavior of Higgins and Brian Albert that night is suspect and can't be overlooked. There are just too many occurrences that make no sense. It will be interesting how these characters try to spin their stories this time around. We already know the defense will be well-prepared to counter whatever rubbish they try to convince the court of.
MOO

 

[keek]

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I can see it used in this context. The documentary said he was loyal to others and protective of his family.

ETA: And as I look at this definition, I can see him being protective of Karen too then, and possibly being riled up with Higgins if he had known about their flirting.

Used for years, pretty much a Catholic Irish, Bostony type of phrase. Not at all unusual in this instance regarding JO. I live here and common enough.

 

[cocomod]

Brian Higgins' behavior in particular was so odd, both on that night and in the subsequent days, that I think it bears singling out:

• We know that in the weeks prior to John's death, he and Karen had exchanged a series of messages and had kissed once. He admitted on the stand that he was romantically interested in her.
• The evening of John’s death, while everyone was at the Waterfall bar, Higgins texted Karen “Um, well..." which she ignored. We know how affectionate JO and KR were that night and I think he was becoming jealous watching them.
• After Higgins leaves the bar he goes to the Albert home and at 12:20 AM he texts John O’Keefe, “Where you at?”
• He says he left almost immediately afterwards because there was no Jameson whiskey there. Note that John was supposedly struck at 12:25 AM, right around the time Higgins, by his own testimony, would be leaving the house.
• We now know that he is on videotape arriving at the Canton PD at 1:26 AM. It’s only a five minute drive. Where was he for that missing hour? He claimed the roads were bad, but everyone else was driving around at more or less normal speeds and he was driving a Jeep.
• On the stand he claimed that he went to the PD only to move some cars around, but he is on videotape talking to someone on his phone. We don’t know who he was speaking with at that time of night. (Notably this didn’t come out in the original trial. The footage was originally withheld from the defense and they only found out about it recently. Apparently, Higgins didn’t mention this call in either his state or federal testimony.)
• At 2:22 AM when he’s at home, he and Brian Albert exchange phone calls. They later deny making the calls and claim they are “butt dials”.
• At 6:30 AM the next morning, Brian Albert calls him to tell him about JO and Higgins immediately shows up at the scene. This is shortly after JO is found in the snow. Brian Albert wouldn’t come out onto his lawn, but he called Higgins? Why?
• According to access logs, Higgins then goes to Canton PD and is there from 7 AM to 5 PM. (Remember, this is a Saturday. Higgins has the day off.)
• The logs also show that he enters the sally port that day, although Higgins says he doesn’t “recollect” if he was there at the same time as Karen’s SUV. The video from that time period is missing.
• Nine months later, Higgins drove to a military base to destroy his phone and its SIM card. He claimed he did it there because it was on his way, but that really makes no sense.

Keep in mind, this man is an ATF agent, who has an ethical duty to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, yet destroyed his phone in the most suspicious way possible so that it could never be examined. There’s also a lot I’ve left out, like the roughhousing at the Waterfall; the mysterious Jeep and its plow; his claim that he wasn’t at the PD on Saturday, but can’t remember where he was; and much more.

Brilliant list!! Thank you!

How in the world could anyone ignore the crazy behavior by BH, the Alberts, and Jen??

 

[keek]

I took it to mean no one had a bad word to say about him. He was incredibly well liked.

That he was.

 

[cocomod]

Agreed.
But….Having a dog that attacks others dogs is not the same as a dog that attacks humans.
Having owned a well trained, well groomed German Shepherd, I also know it’s impossible to wrestle with one and not get a single hair on you

Again, the ME and the police did NOT look for hair on him when he was found. His arm injury was completely ignored by both. The shirt was compromised and cannot be taken as clean evidence as no COC and left out in open for weeks!

 

[keek]

Brilliant list!! Thank you!

How in the world could anyone ignore the crazy behavior by BH, the Alberts, and Jen??

It depends on how a person feels about Karen R. as a person by sight or their own shortcomings they feel about themselves, projected and ignoring the group and their stories and deleted calls, texts, (that were discovered anyway) butt calls, lottts of things. )

 

[cocomod]

The "hair" on the bumper is a non-entity any way you look at it. It was one hair if I recall correctly. One hair that survived a blizzard and all the driving around. One hair that didn't have a root attached, so it was a hair that came from the driver's boyfriend. Hmmmmm A big nothing sandwich!

 

[keek]

Again, the ME and the police did NOT look for hair on him when he was found. His arm injury was completely ignored by both. The shirt was compromised and cannot be taken as clean evidence as no COC and left out in open for weeks!

The appearance of a bloodied shirt looking washed, was chalked up to being in the snow. Please. Light snow falling at the time. Shirt and clothing were completely compromised and in the hands of Proctor, fired ex trooper, along with others. NO excuse if there was an investigation handled as it should of been, not a favor to the others, whose house he was at when killed, left to die.

 

[Spectrix]

Judge introduces the second trial against Karen Read, and issues instructions to prospective jurors -

 

[sunshineray]

Altho it is unusual I am not sure whats so hard to believe? I dont care who she works for P or D. Unusual yes but hinky no.

This juror never deliberated with the other jurors. She did have a birds eye view of the trial from the jurybox ...but it was a small courtroom so most people had good seats. Her familarity with the case is her main strength and I think she will be an asset to the defense. She could have also been an asset to the prosecution but it did not seem to work out that way.
With all the layoffs swirling around us its nice to see someone getting a good job and furtherng their career.
What I still cannot believe is that this case is going to back for a second trial with the same judge, who clearly should have been rotated out to avoid the perception/appearance of bias, using my taxpayer money as well as tax monies of others. Id rather see the money go to fixing the roads and supplementing school lunches etc.
And then if she is convicted we will see appeals ( so many appelate issues thanks Judge)and then more tax money being thrown at this.

Locals are disgusted about what is going on here. I am thankful to be busy with work etc and will not have the time to watch a lot of the trial -

Just my 2 cents -

I bet though if an alternate juror had joined the prosecution team it would have been viewed as a big no-no advantage and motions would have been filed. JMO

 

[rescuemom]

There is bias from the judge for some reason, that doesn't make sense IMO. I also noticed in many of the videos from the trial that she appears antsy, always moving, rocking her chair from side to side. Again, JMO, she seems uncomfortable even being there.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I bet though if an alternate juror had joined the prosecution team it would have been viewed as a big no-no advantage and motions would have been filed. JMO

Nah