MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[Wishbone]

This case keeps getting more convoluted. Wouldn't that be like having an insider who was privy to jury discussions? The same discussions as this jury will surely have?

No, she was an alternate juror so no discussion.
The new attorney is Victoria George, an alternate juror from her first trial.
According to the Board of Bar Overseers, George is now working for David Yannetti's law firm. Yannetti is Karen Read's longest serving attorney.
George was a juror in Read's first trial who was selected as an alternate on the day of closing arguments and who therefore did not participate in deliberations.

Karen Read adds Victoria George, juror from first trial, to legal team

According to a new court filing, Karen Read has added a new attorney to her legal team who was a juror during her first trial.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[turaj]

This case keeps getting more convoluted. Wouldn't that be like having an insider who was privy to jury discussions? The same discussions as this jury will surely have?

this was an alternate so not in discussions but could have been in contact after the mistrial. this is just strange.

 

[turaj]

And the CW just filed a notice of discovery!!!!! What the actual heck!????? How are they still magically finding "new" evidence less than a week before trial?? Of course absolutely NOTHING will happen to Brennan as the Prosecution is allowed to do anything it wants. Sickening.

i tend to disagree about Brennan. Look at yesterday. He lost his motion big time. Now a notice of discovery? I think Judge C will not be interested in this one either. He is trying to delay the trial and she is not having any of that.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904960971396788580

 

[Izzylizzy]

The juror/attorney is a first for Peter

 

[Seattle1]

The juror/attorney is a first for Peter

Actually, Peter did not host the juror/attorney on his YT.

He discussed her joining the defense team at the end of his program which was essentially dedicated to viewing/discussing the 30+ page Order by BC denying the defense's Motion to Dismiss for extraordinary governmental misconduct.

 

[mrjitty]

I listened to a bunch of the argument on the alts

I guess Judge C will do the same as last time, but it was interesting argument. On cases I have followed, I've seen quite a range of latitude on specific alternate suspects and it also seems to vary by jurisdiction. I think it is good Judge will likely give them quite a bit of rope (like last time), though some of the supposed evidence against the alts is pretty thin.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Actually, Peter did not host the juror/attorney on his YT.

He discussed her joining the defense team at the end of his program which was essentially dedicated to viewing/discussing the 30+ page Order by BC denying the defense's Motion to Dismiss for extraordinary governmental misconduct.

Exactly which is why I didn't say he did.
What I did say was "The juror/attorney is a first for Peter"

 

[Izzylizzy]

Actually, Peter did not host the juror/attorney on his YT.

He discussed her joining the defense team at the end of his program which was essentially dedicated to viewing/discussing the 30+ page Order by BC denying the defense's Motion to Dismiss for extraordinary governmental misconduct.

Peter opened @ 2:10 about the juror/lawyer saying "it's insane" "something I've literally never seen before" "never heard before".

"The juror/attorney is a first for Peter"

 

[nodamselindistress]

Re: Motion to Dismiss

I loved what Peter said about Judge Cannone employing EXCUSES as her reasoning to get to her previously desired outcome. Obvious!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Peter opened @ 2:10 about the juror/lawyer saying "it's insane" "something I've literally never seen before" "never heard before".

"The juror/attorney is a first for Peter"

She's not a criminal lawyer but not sure what kind of law she practises. Turtleboy says she got kicked off the jury because she was making faces indicating her disgust at the commonwealth.

 

[turaj]

She's not a criminal lawyer but not sure what kind of law she practises. Turtleboy says she got kicked off the jury because she was making faces indicating her disgust at the commonwealth.

as I understand it she was picked as an alternate..frankly I don't recall how they pick them but clearly CW was glad she was gone. "Kicking off" to me implies that she left before the end for her behavior.

 

[Izzylizzy]

She's not a criminal lawyer but not sure what kind of law she practises. Turtleboy says she got kicked off the jury because she was making faces indicating her disgust at the commonwealth.

Is it confirmed that she was kicked off for whatever as an alternate juror?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Is it confirmed that she was kicked off for whatever as an alternate juror?

I mistakenly used the term kicked off. I mistook her for the other woman who was talking about the case at a bar.
The video you posted above said the following, starting at 53:00:
The Lawyer You Know read an announcement made by Turtle Boy who wrote, "... Victoria was a juror in the first trial who was made an alternate on the final day after making faces throughout the trial indicating her disgust with the CW".
So what does it mean to be made an alternate. Was she still on the jury but not sent into deliberations?

 

[Izzylizzy]

She's not a criminal lawyer but not sure what kind of law she practises. Turtleboy says she got kicked off the jury because she was making faces indicating her disgust at the commonwealth.

IMO:
If what TB said is true I would think that that info about VG would have hit the MSM as soon as it was announced she was joining KR's defense...???

I haven't looked for any info about it but in VG's statement she refers to herself as having been an "alternate" and nothing else about her jury experience.
LYK was speaking like VG was an alternate juror who was not privy to the deliberations.
I'm not up on this case like the seasoned KR veterans here are so my question is is TB credible?
Is there a consensus here about him?
I know a bit about KR's connection to him, a very little bit.

 

[Forest_Wood]

IMO:
If what TB said is true I would think that that info about VG would have hit the MSM as soon as it was announced she was joining KR's defense...???

I haven't looked for any info about it but in VG's statement she refers to herself as having been an "alternate" and nothing else about her jury experience.
LYK was speaking like VG was an alternate juror who was not privy to the deliberations.
I'm not up on this case like the seasoned KR veterans here are so my question is is TB credible?
Is there a consensus here about him?
I know a bit about KR's connection to him, a very little bit.

Same!
I haven't had much interest in Turtle Boy (I don't even know his real name), therefore I don't have an answer to your question.

 

[turaj]

I mistakenly used the term kicked off. I mistook her for the other woman who was talking about the case at a bar.
The video you posted above said the following, starting at 53:00:
The Lawyer You Know read an announcement made by Turtle Boy who wrote, "... Victoria was a juror in the first trial who was made an alternate on the final day after making faces throughout the trial indicating her disgust with the CW".
So what does it mean to be made an alternate. Was she still on the jury but not sent into deliberations?

that term "made an alternate" confuses me. Normally there is some fair process by which alternates are selected...not handpicked by the court. How were the alternates decided in the first trial. Anyone know?

 

[Sustained]

Same!
I haven't had much interest in Turtle Boy (I don't even know his real name), therefore I don't have an answer to your question.

Aiden Kearney - a blogger and an ardent Read supporter who was arrested and charged with multiple counts of felony witness intimidation, including harassing Jennifer McCabe at a school sporting event. More recently, he was caught outside of a pizza shop in Canton harassing the owner Chris Albert (Brian's brother).

The CW wants to use communications between Read and Kearney in the 2nd trial and filed a motion to do so. Not sure where that stands legally.

Karen Read prosecutors want to use messages with Aidan "Turtleboy" Kearney at second trial

Prosecutors in Karen Read's case want to use messages with Aidan Kearney, the blogger who writers under the name "Turtleboy," as evidence in Read's second trial.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Seattle1]

Karen Read adds Victoria George, juror from first trial, to legal team

According to a new court filing, Karen Read has added a new attorney to her legal team who was a juror during her first trial.

www.cbsnews.com

3/26/25

According to the Board of Bar Overseers, [Victoria] George is now working for David Yannetti's law firm. Yannetti is Karen Read's longest serving attorney.

George was a juror in Read's first trial who was selected as an alternate on the day of closing arguments and who therefore did not participate in deliberations.

When reached by WBZ-TV George said "no comment" because she is "under a gag order."

"It's so unusual that I think it probably has never happened, maybe in the history of the country before," WBZ legal expert Katherine Loftus said.

 

[Izzylizzy]

that term "made an alternate" confuses me. Normally there is some fair process by which alternates are selected...not handpicked by the court. How were the alternates decided in the first trial. Anyone know?

This is Massachusetts's jury info.
There is judicial discretion so nothing may be written in stone.

' Alternate jurors'​

(1) Impanelling jury with alternative jurors​

If a jury trial is likely to be protracted, the judge may impanel a jury of not more than sixteen members and the court shall have jurisdiction to try the case with that jury.

(2) Selection of twelve jurors​

If at the time of the final submission of the case to the jury more than twelve members of the jury who have heard the whole case are alive and not incapacitated or disqualified, the judge shall direct the clerk to place the names of all the remaining jurors except the foreman in a box and draw the names of a sufficient number to reduce the jury to twelve members. Those jurors whose names are drawn shall not be discharged, but shall be known as alternate jurors and shall be kept separate and apart from the other jurors in some convenient place, subject to the same rules and regulations as the other jurors, until the jury has agreed upon a verdict or has been otherwise discharged.

https://www.mass.gov/rules-of-criminal-procedure/criminal-procedure-rule-20-trial-jurors#:~:text=(2)%20Selection%20of%20twelve%20jurors,or%20has%20been%20otherwise%20discharged.