MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

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Day One: One witness thanks to Jackson.

Let it go, Jackson. Not a good look beating (bullying) a witness. Try kindness. moo
That's... not how this works. Would you want your defense attorney to be kind if you were on trial for murder?
 
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Trying to find a link, but I’m seeing Chief Rafferty just retired.

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Looks like she had a year long one only extended from last year instead of I believe three, due to the townspeople wanting her out, new blood. SO interesting if she did only get that one year extension, that is up in June. Retire instead of seeing if her contract gets extended. Doubt highly it would of due to the critical audit of her police dept. Retiring she gets her benefits.
 
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Is it new information from AJ's opening that John O'Keefe never had signs of hypothermia, no frostbite, no cold-induced injuries to his organs from cold or frost? I don't recall that from Trial 1.
 
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4/22/25

 
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It looks like there's no secret about the grand jury this time around. The witness and AJ were openly talking about it. No more secret.
 
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Kerry Roberts called the police around 5:15 or 05:30 asking about John O'Keefe and told them he was a cop, so the Canton police knew that JOK was missing even before they were called again after 06:00 by Jenn McCabe. When they got the call that a body had been found, they must have had an inkling who it was.
 
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Day One: One witness thanks to Jackson.
Let it go, Jackson. Not a good look beating (bullying) a witness. Try kindness. moo

It is Jackson's job to question a witness who has repeatedly changed his story over time, especially one that needed to meet with Brennan on three different occasions before this trial to go over his story.

I'm sorry. Please humor me. What is Moo?
I had some trouble with this particular phrase when I first came across this forum.

Where I am from, moo is what cows say.
MOO would be a cow yelling.

Like you I asked what it meant in and it was suggested to be either "Matter of Opinion or "My Opinion only".

Either one makes more sense to me than mooing like a cow after each sentence, so I'm grateful that the record has been set straight in that regard.
 
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Sounds like Brennan is proposing an unfounded conspiracy with no substantiated evidence against KR's attorneys and ARCA. I thought you weren't a fan of this sort of thing. Why should it only be defense lawyers who have potential to drink conspiracy kool aid ( sp?). Jmo

Well I reject that conspiracy notion outright!

Counsel deleting messages with the expert witnesses is simply not allowed - though I am not naive that such back channels go on.

Why would AJ delete texts that relate to the critical period if not to obscure the formative period of the relationship? The CW is entitled to those messages to understand the true nature of the engagement. Worse still, the defence then concealed the deletion of those messages until Hank Brennan confronted the court with evidence that proved they existed. The defence falsely certified that they had complied with discovery, until on the eve of trial, they had to reveal what had been destroyed. Then Alessi has the nerve to hector the Judge that she said only emails and not texts?

I do not know what is in those texts but there is certainly an implication that ARCCA is not so independent and the CW is entitled to that info for it's cross examination.

That is not a conspiracy. Just hard law. And if Hank had 100 deleted messages with a CW witness posters would be justifiably outraged.

When ARCA is voir dired ( though what is going to happen if they can't do it this Friday with two days notice.? They weren't expecting voir dire until the defense's case in chief which is weeks away) nothing will come of this. Moo. Why do you believe the well respected professionals at ARCA would hide and delete nefarious text messages in some sort of conspiracy with KR's defense? And then lie on the stand under oath about their impartiality at the last trial? And risk their careers? I see no evidence of this in Brennan's hasty oral motion.. Moo

You are aware that the CW had equal access to ARCA's findings and naturally enough but imo unjustly chose to ignore them? Jmo

I certainly hope that the ARCCA witnesses have not deleted their side of the messages and that the CW will now be able to get access to them. The Judge ordered that the ARCCA witnesses must bring them along. I agree it would be extremely unprofessional if they have also deleted them. I truly hope that is not the case and it would confront the Judge with a train wreck situation.

IMO the Judge has acted completely properly here to ensure discovery is complied with - I just hope the messages still exist so that is possible.

MOO
 
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Special ADA Brennan masterful, genius.

KR narrator of her own trial... her own testimony.

Guilty! moo

Justice is coming for Officer John O'Keefe

He didnt deserve to be killed by a drunk angry raging abuser. moo

@JulieCourtTV


THE DEFENDANT’S STATEMENTS The Commonwealth is using Karen Read’s own words against her at trial. This is perfectly proper within the Rules of Evidence This was a clip from the @DiscoveryID docuseries.


I really can't understand the thinking that led Yannetti and Jackson to greenlight this

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
 
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The CW really, really don't want these ARCCA experts to give their evidence again! They'll try every hook and every crook to stop them from taking the stand!

JMO

IMO that is not what is going on. Rather Brennan wants the messages to show that ARCCA were less independent than claimed for his cross.

While the Judge could obviously sanction the defence for this wild discovery violation, I doubt she does that, provided ARCCA themselves can deliver the relevant info - then things can get back on an even keel. This is why Brennan has motioned that ARCCA themselves be required to discover this info. Finally the Judge has ordered that.

IMO if the CW had done this, the Judge would have struck the witness, and rightly so.

To be honest I don't really understand how this can have happened. AJ is a top tier attorney. He knows this won't fly.
 
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For the CW to file Motion #680 posted above -- all knowing that the defense was denied a hearing on its Motion to Dismiss (citing "extraordinary government misconduct" including alleged video manipulation, withheld evidence, and interference with the jury), where again, the facts on this matter and more could and should have been addressed pretrial, has to be the most disingenuous action I've ever witnessed by a prosecutor.

It's also little consolation that the defense will have the Court's irrational decisions on record (for the appellate) to find the defense in violation of Discovery, and demand ARCCA defense experts appear for voir dire on day four of the defendant's trial.

I find it both sad and fortunate for the defendant that the CW allows cameras in the Courtroom to capture the Court openly "rushing the defense" in front of the jurors, editorializing their examination of witnesses, and Judge BC's famous "heavy sighs" to name just a few of the very inappropriate actions witnessed on Day 1 of trial that are grossly interfering with the defendant receiving a fair trial.

I'm glad that KR has such a strong, supportive family -- I think she's going to need them now more than ever. MOO
 
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For the CW to file Motion #680 posted above -- all knowing that the defense was denied a hearing on its Motion to Dismiss (citing "extraordinary government misconduct" including alleged video manipulation, withheld evidence, and interference with the jury), where again, the facts on this matter and more could and should have been addressed pretrial, has to be the most disingenuous action I've ever witnessed by a prosecutor.

It's also little consolation that the defense will have the Court's irrational decisions on record (for the appellate) to find the defense in violation of Discovery, and demand ARCCA defense experts appear for voir dire on day four of the defendant's trial.

I find it both sad and fortunate for the defendant that the CW allows cameras in the Courtroom to capture the Court openly "rushing the defense" in front of the jurors, editorializing their examination of witnesses, and Judge BC's famous "heavy sighs" to name just a few of the very inappropriate actions witnessed on Day 1 of trial that are grossly interfering with the defendant receiving a fair trial.

I'm glad that KR has such a strong, supportive family -- I think she's going to need them now more than ever. MOO

Something I've been wondering about re that motion - and I did not follow everything back in feb - do you think the D waited until Feb to seek permission of USAO because they might have intended to maintain the independence of ARCCA? If not, I wonder why they did not seek permission in 2024. Perhaps they kept their options open on that?
 
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