MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

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  • #141
On the other hand, I believe KR has benefited from errors made. I don't believe she would have had a defense but for it. That's not excusing poor police work, it's looking at what sort of trial she might realistically have had, without the opportunities that arose to point at a cover-up.

I think this time around it's going to be a very different trial. The cw seems to have been working harder towards proving what the evidence does show, and to properly address and counter defense arguments. IMO
To name a few, the cw will have to overcome several faux pas that equal a botched investigation

Not Securing the Scene
Not Following Chain of Custody
Confirmation Bias
Not interviewing all persons at the address
Not looking inside the house if allowed
no immediate photos of deceased location and condition
unprofessional unauthorized collection of evidence

JMOO
 
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I'll say again that KR is not someone I would click with to become friends but this next trial scares me
I agree.
Actually, I'd go one step further.
I would run fast and far in the opposite direction if I ever came across her.
 
  • #144
I agree.
Actually, I'd go one step further.
I would run fast and far in the opposite direction if I ever came across her.
Why? Would you be afraid she'd back into you?
 
  • #145
On the other hand, I believe KR has benefited from errors made. I don't believe she would have had a defense but for it. That's not excusing poor police work, it's looking at what sort of trial she might realistically have had, without the opportunities that arose to point at a cover-up.

I think this time around it's going to be a very different trial. The cw seems to have been working harder towards proving what the evidence does show, and to properly address and counter defense arguments. IMO
Putting aside worst offenders such as Proctor's misogynistic tunnel visioned obsession with KR from day one, and the propensity for KR's tail light shards (40/45 I believe) to keep turning up on the lawn between Feb 3rd and Feb 18th 2022, I don't see how KR is supposed to have 'benefitted' from the lack of a proper investigation.

What would a competent and impartial investigation have looked like sans Proctor's tunnel vision and JMc being taken at her word without wider interviews?

Moo:
1) Investigators checking other vehicles, (especially Brian Higgins') whose drivers were drunkenly behind the wheel on Fairview in the relevant time frame. Higgins' vehicle and snow plow scrutinised for damage and blood. Higgins formally interviewed.

2)KR's Tail Light photographed at JOK's place. Examination of fire hydrant including photography and testing for paint ( post sert discovery) at Fairview. Examination and photographs of JOK's vehicle at Meadows where impacted by Lexus at 5am. Search of ground in vicinity.

3) Thorough analysis, measurement, swabbing and research of wounds to right arm. Supporting search warrant for 34 Fairview which would have been granted given JOK's body was found on the property. Chloe looked into. House searched.

4) Formal, separated, recorded interviews with the home owner, J Mc, the Alberts.

I'm guessing you assume she did it, but minus that assumption I don't think one can say Karen Read has benefitted from other potential POIs never being systematically investigated. Nor did she benefit from investigators and the Medical examiner failing to show any interest in the origin of JO's arm wounds.

Nor did she benefit from the lack of investigation into objects that could have caused minimal damage to a tail light in the relevant area, given the lack of blood and skin on KR's Lexus, the lack of blood/skin/DNA on the five shards (one of which was on road close to the fire hydrant,) found by sert, the lack of skin/blood/DNA on any shards ( 40 in total) Proctor kept 'finding' on the lawn between feb 3rd and 18th.

Jmo
 
  • #146
Putting aside worst offenders such as Proctor's misogynistic tunnel visioned obsession with KR from day one, and the propensity for KR's tail light shards (40/45 I believe) to keep turning up on the lawn between Feb 3rd and Feb 18th 2022, I don't see how KR is supposed to have 'benefitted' from the lack of a proper investigation.

What would a competent and impartial investigation have looked like sans Proctor's tunnel vision and JMc being taken at her word without wider interviews?

Moo:
1) Investigators checking other vehicles, (especially Brian Higgins') whose drivers were drunkenly behind the wheel on Fairview in the relevant time frame. Higgins' vehicle and snow plow scrutinised for damage and blood. Higgins formally interviewed.

2)KR's Tail Light photographed at JOK's place. Examination of fire hydrant including photography and testing for paint ( post sert discovery) at Fairview. Examination and photographs of JOK's vehicle at Meadows where impacted by Lexus at 5am. Search of ground in vicinity.

3) Thorough analysis, measurement, swabbing and research of wounds to right arm. Supporting search warrant for 34 Fairview which would have been granted given JOK's body was found on the property. Chloe looked into. House searched.

4) Formal, separated, recorded interviews with the home owner, J Mc, the Alberts.

I'm guessing you assume she did it, but minus that assumption I don't think one can say Karen Read has benefitted from other potential POIs never being systematically investigated. Nor did she benefit from investigators and the Medical examiner failing to show any interest in the origin of JO's arm wounds.

Nor did she benefit from the lack of investigation into objects that could have caused minimal damage to a tail light in the relevant area, given the lack of blood and skin on KR's Lexus, the lack of blood/skin/DNA on the five shards (one of which was on road close to the fire hydrant,) found by sert, the lack of skin/blood/DNA on any shards ( 40 in total) Proctor kept 'finding' on the lawn between feb 3rd and 18th.

Jmo
I never assume anything. I follow trials to judge the evidence for myself.

I have no doubt KR knew she had left him to die in the cold, and knew exactly where he was and why he was there.
 
  • #147
I never assume anything. I follow trials to judge the evidence for myself.

I have no doubt KR knew she had left him to die in the cold, and knew exactly where he was and why he was there.
I agree.
 
  • #148
Putting aside worst offenders such as Proctor's misogynistic tunnel visioned obsession with KR from day one, and the propensity for KR's tail light shards (40/45 I believe) to keep turning up on the lawn between Feb 3rd and Feb 18th 2022, I don't see how KR is supposed to have 'benefitted' from the lack of a proper investigation.

What would a competent and impartial investigation have looked like sans Proctor's tunnel vision and JMc being taken at her word without wider interviews?

Moo:
1) Investigators checking other vehicles, (especially Brian Higgins') whose drivers were drunkenly behind the wheel on Fairview in the relevant time frame. Higgins' vehicle and snow plow scrutinised for damage and blood. Higgins formally interviewed.

2)KR's Tail Light photographed at JOK's place. Examination of fire hydrant including photography and testing for paint ( post sert discovery) at Fairview. Examination and photographs of JOK's vehicle at Meadows where impacted by Lexus at 5am. Search of ground in vicinity.

3) Thorough analysis, measurement, swabbing and research of wounds to right arm. Supporting search warrant for 34 Fairview which would have been granted given JOK's body was found on the property. Chloe looked into. House searched.

4) Formal, separated, recorded interviews with the home owner, J Mc, the Alberts.

I'm guessing you assume she did it, but minus that assumption I don't think one can say Karen Read has benefitted from other potential POIs never being systematically investigated. Nor did she benefit from investigators and the Medical examiner failing to show any interest in the origin of JO's arm wounds.

Nor did she benefit from the lack of investigation into objects that could have caused minimal damage to a tail light in the relevant area, given the lack of blood and skin on KR's Lexus, the lack of blood/skin/DNA on the five shards (one of which was on road close to the fire hydrant,) found by sert, the lack of skin/blood/DNA on any shards ( 40 in total) Proctor kept 'finding' on the lawn between feb 3rd and 18th.

Jmo
Because in reality, it was really just that simple as a case of a hit & run by a furious drunken women.

There’s literally no evidence of a conspiracy.
The FBI found none, the independent audit found nothing. It’s a fantastic work of fiction. A number of lies strung together by a women desperate to evade consequences.

ALL IN MY OPINION.
 
  • #149
Because in reality, it was really just that simple as a case of a hit & run by a furious drunken women.

There’s literally no evidence of a conspiracy.
The FBI found none, the independent audit found nothing. It’s a fantastic work of fiction. A number of lies strung together by a women desperate to evade consequences.

ALL IN MY OPINION.
Statement of scope of audit

2025 Independent Audit
of the Town of Canton
Police Department
5 Stones intelligence (5Si) was tasked with auditing the
Canton Police Department in accordance with the scope of
work order detailed within. 5Si’s report does not make any
findings of fact or conclusions of law regarding ongoing
criminal investigations or pending legal matters involving
the Canton Police Department


 
  • #150
Because in reality, it was really just that simple as a case of a hit & run by a furious drunken women.

There’s literally no evidence of a conspiracy.
The FBI found none, the independent audit found nothing. It’s a fantastic work of fiction. A number of lies strung together by a women desperate to evade consequences.

ALL IN MY OPINION.
I think you probably missed the jist of my post. As I said, I was outlining my opinion of what an impartial, competent investigation would have likely looked like.

The 'reality' you claim exists ( she was angry drunk so she killed him), moo encompasses the exact unprofessional, bias approach the lead investigator took imo. Canton police dept's general incompetence incidentally helped Proctor remain unaccountable, along with MSP officer Bukhenic and Lt Tully (Proctor's supervisor IIRC).

This was not an impartial, investigation. Perfectly legitimate avenues of investigation and legitimate POIs were foreclosed. That was not ok. It was deeply flawed investigating.

The injustice stemming from this tunnelled investigation is founded on actual, real past actions of individuals, but Moo reasonable discussion dies with circular logic, so I am agreeing to disagree.
 
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Because in reality, it was really just that simple as a case of a hit & run by a furious drunken women.

There’s literally no evidence of a conspiracy.
The FBI found none, the independent audit found nothing. It’s a fantastic work of fiction. A number of lies strung together by a women desperate to evade consequences.

ALL IN MY OPINION.
All MOO.

Zero evidence of anything other than a tragic drunk driving accident.

There are reasons that the investigation wasn't unbiased: she found him in the snow, she was the last person with him, she told people her taillight was broken that morning, she was still drunk, and she admitted she might have hit him at the scene. If police ignored that evidence, but then spent time making sure he wasn't beaten up in a house full of people, attacked by their dog, and then left to freeze by his life long friends... I would call that an irresponsible waste of time.

She has had unlimited time and resources and the best lawyers in the world to come up with one single shred of evidence to the contrary and where is it?

The FBI had unlimited resources and a grand jury and haven't found any evidence.

The lack of evidence is not for lack of trying, it doesn't exist, and it didn't ever exist.
 
  • #153
DEDHAM, Mass. — Jury selection in the retrial of Karen Read enters its second week on Monday, with six jurors still needed before opening statements can commence.

No new jurors were selected Monday as the empanelment process came to a screeching halt, Boston 25′s Ted Daniel reported.

Out of the 45 jury candidates questioned in Dedham’s Norfolk Superior court on Monday, all but four said that they’ve seen, heard, or talked about the case, and 30 indicated that they’ve already formed an opinion.
 
  • #154
Sounds like numbers the judge and others had been expecting when they said it could take longer to seat a jury.
 
  • #155
I am not really sure I understand when the CW alleges that KR fatally and tragically hit JOK with her car?

JOK and KR arrive at the front of BA’s home at 12:24
RN comes in behind them KR pulls her car up to the flag pole, RN’s sister outside, no more then 5 minutes later she goes back and he leaves with his friends around 12:28-12:29, neither one of them see JOK outside, nor does RN see him inside the vehicle with KR who has the light on meaning that likely JOK got out the car before RN pulled up and was at the side or back of the house or was already inside and/or perhaps used a different entryway than the front door to get in. At 12:29:44 JOK answers an incoming call on phone for 8 seconds. At 12:36 KR is connects back on to JOK’s WiFi. At 12:42 She leaves a voicemail and you can hear her heels clacking on the garage cement floor. JOK lives 7-8 minutes away from BA so JOK had to leave around 12:29 to get back to the house at 12:36. RN also noted that KR was looking straight ahead and that her hands were at the 10 and 2 position and that her car was not in Park all of which may indicate she was probably getting ready to pull out of the spot after RN’s friend’s vehicle passed her and drive back to JOK’s. So when exactly did KR allegedly hit JOK? When did she and him get in an argument? For the time that RN and JN are outside JOK is nowhere to be found, let alone is he seen arguing with KR. He answers the phone for 8 seconds at 12:29:44. Did the person who allude to overhearing any arguing or such come from his line during that short time? KR has to be on the road by 12:29, perhaps even 12:30 the latest. Could they have really gotten under an intense fight in the minute or less they had between RN leaving and KR then departing as well? Was that enough time for JOK to return from wherever he was before, argue with KR and then KR to hit him with her car? Wouldn’t have RN or JN seen him on his supposed walk back to the vehicle?

Also, when did JMc see the SUV? At 12:31 she tells JOK to pull up behind her via text. But KR’s vehicle is at the corner by then. The car wouldn’t pull up to anything. By times allegedly JMc sees KR’s vehicle move to the corned at 12:40, KR is already back at JOK’s. Based on her text to JOK between 12:40 and 12:45 JMc was wondering where he was and looking for him. If he was hit by the car and sadly laying prone on the lawn wouldn’t she have seen him if she was looking out the window like she said. He couldn’t have been hidden or covered by the snow at that point since It neither snowing hard enough nor was he laying there long enough.

Also, generally scalp lacerations, including the one JOK unfortunately suffered, tend to bleed a lot. I would also imagine that the blood did not stick out in the snow or that JOK’s jeans and the dark color of his shirt did not stick out in the headlights of cars passing, leaving or coming to the house earlier.

How too does CW, or even the defense, explain the vomit down the front of his body that flowed down his shirt and into his pants and underwear as noted by the EMT. Wouldn’t JOK have to have been vertical in order for the fluids to flow that way? We know already from the ME that JOK remained unconscious, and thus would not have been able to move let alone stand or sit up on his own after he received his Basilar skull fracture so how do they explain the flow? Wouldnt it have been more likely that if JOK was vomiting, especially in such large amounts, that he would have asphyxiated due to being stuck prone in the ground after getting hit by car? So how didn’t he?



JMO/JMT
 
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I am not really sure I understand when the CW alleges that KR fatally and tragically hit JOK with her car?

JOK and KR arrive at the front of BA’s home at 12:24
RN comes in behind them KR pulls her car up to the flag pole, RN’s sister outside, no more then 5 minutes later she goes back and he leaves with his friends around 12:28-12:29, neither one of them see JOK outside, nor does RN see him inside the vehicle with KR who has the light on meaning that likely JOK got out the car before RN pulled up and was at the side or back of the house or was already inside and/or perhaps used a different entryway than the front door to get in. At 12:29:44 JOK answers an incoming call on phone for 8 seconds. At 12:36 KR is connects back on to JOK’s WiFi. At 12:42 She leaves a voicemail and you can hear her heels clacking on the garage cement floor. JOK lives 7-8 minutes away from BA so JOK had to leave around 12:29 to get back to the house at 12:36. RN also noted that KR was looking straight ahead and that her hands were at the 10 and 2 position and that her car was not in Park all of which may indicate she was probably getting ready to pull out of the spot after RN’s friend’s vehicle passed her and drive back to JOK’s. So when exactly did KR allegedly hit JOK? When did she and him get in an argument? For the time that RN and JN are outside JOK is nowhere to be found, let alone is he seen arguing with KR. He answers the phone for 8 seconds at 12:29:44. Did the person who allude to overhearing any arguing or such come from his line during that short time? KR has to be on the road by 12:29, perhaps even 12:30 the latest. Could they have really gotten under an intense fight in the minute or less they had between RN leaving and KR then departing as well? Was that enough time for JOK to return from wherever he was before, argue with KR and then KR to hit him with her car? Wouldn’t have RN or JN seen him on his supposed walk back to the vehicle?

Also, when did JMc see the SUV? At 12:31 she tells JOK to pull up behind her via text. But KR’s vehicle is at the corner by then. The car wouldn’t pull up to anything. By times allegedly JMc sees KR’s vehicle move to the corned at 12:40, KR is already back at JOK’s. Based on her text to JOK between 12:40 and 12:45 JMc was wondering where he was and looking for him. If he was hit by the car and sadly laying prone on the lawn wouldn’t she have seen him if she was looking out the window like she said. He couldn’t have been hidden or covered by the snow at that point since It neither snowing hard enough nor was he laying there long enough.

Also, generally scalp lacerations, including the one JOK unfortunately suffered, tend to bleed a lot. I would also imagine that the blood did not stick out in the snow or that JOK’s jeans and the dark color of his shirt did not stick out in the headlights of cars passing, leaving or coming to the house earlier.

How too does CW, or even the defense, explain the vomit down the front of his body that flowed down his shirt and into his pants and underwear as noted by the EMT. Wouldn’t JOK have to have been vertical in order for the fluids to flow that way? We know already from the ME that JOK remained unconscious, and thus would not have been able to move let alone stand or sit up on his own after he received his Basilar skull fracture so how do they explain the flow? Wouldnt it have been more likely that if JOK was vomiting, especially in such large amounts, that he would have asphyxiated due to being stuck prone in the ground after getting hit by car? So how didn’t he?



JMO/JMT

Great post!

I saw a doctor discussing this on another forum and he said it would be a huge blow to the CW’s case if they brought up the blood evidence - rather the lack of a large amount of blood on the ground. He said it proves OJO wasn’t there on the ground the whole night.
 
  • #157
I am not really sure I understand when the CW alleges that KR fatally and tragically hit JOK with her car?

JOK and KR arrive at the front of BA’s home at 12:24
RN comes in behind them KR pulls her car up to the flag pole, RN’s sister outside, no more then 5 minutes later she goes back and he leaves with his friends around 12:28-12:29, neither one of them see JOK outside, nor does RN see him inside the vehicle with KR who has the light on meaning that likely JOK got out the car before RN pulled up and was at the side or back of the house or was already inside and/or perhaps used a different entryway than the front door to get in. At 12:29:44 JOK answers an incoming call on phone for 8 seconds. At 12:36 KR is connects back on to JOK’s WiFi. At 12:42 She leaves a voicemail and you can hear her heels clacking on the garage cement floor. JOK lives 7-8 minutes away from BA so JOK had to leave around 12:29 to get back to the house at 12:36. RN also noted that KR was looking straight ahead and that her hands were at the 10 and 2 position and that her car was not in Park all of which may indicate she was probably getting ready to pull out of the spot after RN’s friend’s vehicle passed her and drive back to JOK’s. So when exactly did KR allegedly hit JOK? When did she and him get in an argument? For the time that RN and JN are outside JOK is nowhere to be found, let alone is he seen arguing with KR. He answers the phone for 8 seconds at 12:29:44. Did the person who allude to overhearing any arguing or such come from his line during that short time? KR has to be on the road by 12:29, perhaps even 12:30 the latest. Could they have really gotten under an intense fight in the minute or less they had between RN leaving and KR then departing as well? Was that enough time for JOK to return from wherever he was before, argue with KR and then KR to hit him with her car? Wouldn’t have RN or JN seen him on his supposed walk back to the vehicle?

Also, when did JMc see the SUV? At 12:31 she tells JOK to pull up behind her via text. But KR’s vehicle is at the corner by then. The car wouldn’t pull up to anything. By times allegedly JMc sees KR’s vehicle move to the corned at 12:40, KR is already back at JOK’s. Based on her text to JOK between 12:40 and 12:45 JMc was wondering where he was and looking for him. If he was hit by the car and sadly laying prone on the lawn wouldn’t she have seen him if she was looking out the window like she said. He couldn’t have been hidden or covered by the snow at that point since It neither snowing hard enough nor was he laying there long enough.

Also, generally scalp lacerations, including the one JOK unfortunately suffered, tend to bleed a lot. I would also imagine that the blood did not stick out in the snow or that JOK’s jeans and the dark color of his shirt did not stick out in the headlights of cars passing, leaving or coming to the house earlier.

How too does CW, or even the defense, explain the vomit down the front of his body that flowed down his shirt and into his pants and underwear as noted by the EMT. Wouldn’t JOK have to have been vertical in order for the fluids to flow that way? We know already from the ME that JOK remained unconscious, and thus would not have been able to move let alone stand or sit up on his own after he received his Basilar skull fracture so how do they explain the flow? Wouldnt it have been more likely that if JOK was vomiting, especially in such large amounts, that he would have asphyxiated due to being stuck prone in the ground after getting hit by car? So how didn’t he?



JMO/JMT
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I am not really sure I understand when the CW alleges that KR fatally and tragically hit JOK with her car?

JOK and KR arrive at the front of BA’s home at 12:24
RN comes in behind them KR pulls her car up to the flag pole, RN’s sister outside, no more then 5 minutes later she goes back and he leaves with his friends around 12:28-12:29, neither one of them see JOK outside, nor does RN see him inside the vehicle with KR who has the light on meaning that likely JOK got out the car before RN pulled up and was at the side or back of the house or was already inside and/or perhaps used a different entryway than the front door to get in. At 12:29:44 JOK answers an incoming call on phone for 8 seconds. At 12:36 KR is connects back on to JOK’s WiFi. At 12:42 She leaves a voicemail and you can hear her heels clacking on the garage cement floor. JOK lives 7-8 minutes away from BA so JOK had to leave around 12:29 to get back to the house at 12:36. RN also noted that KR was looking straight ahead and that her hands were at the 10 and 2 position and that her car was not in Park all of which may indicate she was probably getting ready to pull out of the spot after RN’s friend’s vehicle passed her and drive back to JOK’s. So when exactly did KR allegedly hit JOK? When did she and him get in an argument? For the time that RN and JN are outside JOK is nowhere to be found, let alone is he seen arguing with KR. He answers the phone for 8 seconds at 12:29:44. Did the person who allude to overhearing any arguing or such come from his line during that short time? KR has to be on the road by 12:29, perhaps even 12:30 the latest. Could they have really gotten under an intense fight in the minute or less they had between RN leaving and KR then departing as well? Was that enough time for JOK to return from wherever he was before, argue with KR and then KR to hit him with her car? Wouldn’t have RN or JN seen him on his supposed walk back to the vehicle?

Also, when did JMc see the SUV? At 12:31 she tells JOK to pull up behind her via text. But KR’s vehicle is at the corner by then. The car wouldn’t pull up to anything. By times allegedly JMc sees KR’s vehicle move to the corned at 12:40, KR is already back at JOK’s. Based on her text to JOK between 12:40 and 12:45 JMc was wondering where he was and looking for him. If he was hit by the car and sadly laying prone on the lawn wouldn’t she have seen him if she was looking out the window like she said. He couldn’t have been hidden or covered by the snow at that point since It neither snowing hard enough nor was he laying there long enough.

Also, generally scalp lacerations, including the one JOK unfortunately suffered, tend to bleed a lot. I would also imagine that the blood did not stick out in the snow or that JOK’s jeans and the dark color of his shirt did not stick out in the headlights of cars passing, leaving or coming to the house earlier.

How too does CW, or even the defense, explain the vomit down the front of his body that flowed down his shirt and into his pants and underwear as noted by the EMT. Wouldn’t JOK have to have been vertical in order for the fluids to flow that way? We know already from the ME that JOK remained unconscious, and thus would not have been able to move let alone stand or sit up on his own after he received his Basilar skull fracture so how do they explain the flow? Wouldnt it have been more likely that if JOK was vomiting, especially in such large amounts, that he would have asphyxiated due to being stuck prone in the ground after getting hit by car? So how didn’t he?



JMO/JMT

Excellent points!! The light being on in the car when RN saw her MUST have been because John had just gotten out. You are the first person to mention that (at least that I have read...). RN might've missed seeing him because he was too focused on who was in the black Lexus.
 
  • #158
IANAL, but the jury needs to UNDERSTAND that each charge is separate of itself and the one juror that I saw interviewed did not. Of course if there was a question on that the jury could have asked, IMO.
Imo the jury was too confused to ask and unsure about upsetting the judge who never bothered to hide her impatience, heavy sighs etc..They did ask for the sert report and were denied. Their notes to the court when hung were so formal and apologetic imo.

Plus that strange MA rule about the judge selecting the foreperson separately prior to random selection of 12 jurors for deliberations. Impossible to say how this could have affected deliberations, but the exercise of this rule imo could lead to individual juror perceptions or speculation of judicial bias even if not factually provable. From what I understand, the foreman selected by cannone was the retired cop. Jmo
 
  • #159
I'd like to give props to LYT / Peter Tragos for something that may sound very old man Gen X waves fist at the sky ...

He started to refer to the Judge by her first name, corrected himself, and referred to Judge Cannone. As he should. I am really reminded of a scene in Band of Brothers that made this point. You salute the rank and not the man!

I have no issue with what citizens call the Judge. It's America after all! But for barred attorneys, the childish name calling of the Judge really irks me - and is unprofessional. As someone who came up thumbing through the law review for 'vicious' criticism of a Judge's decision - it was unthinkable this would ever extend to misnaming the Judge. I'm not naive and am well aware of how the profession conducts itself behind closed doors, but IMO it really detracts from any legal analysis you are trying to make when you do this. To me it says "not a serious person".

I wish this trend would go away. But props to Peter. I'll be listening to him for my trial coverage. Well played.

IMO
 
  • #160
LYK has a very good discussion about how the Audit probably can't be exhibited in full, but might be able to be used tactically

 
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