So is that two people thus far who testified to seeing KR vehicle moving forward, then back? TIARainy, so I can sit in and watch the players. Matt is very good witness, remembers details and was observant of KR SUV movements. He's just telling it like he saw it and who was there. J>Mc also has MS I learned and that John wanted to bring first time meeting, over to McCabe's to esp meet J as both women had MS and could talk about it. Thoughtful of John O. The jeep that Matt Mc said was there as well when he was looking out, but I don't think he said Higgins was in the group inside? The other car was the brother of the girl whose brother came to pick her up and decided to stay. Need to see if he saw Higgins at all inside. I believe not said. I'd say as before, K moving the car up .. then up .. away from driveway was the discussing between her and JO if they were going in or was she going in or leaving. I still say whatever happened happened where he was let off IF he was let off just past the house as Matt said, looks right by a speckish of that flag pole/utility box, where JO was found. Someone would of had to go out to JO and do the damage to him right after he got out of the suv. Was Higgins in his jeep still? Timing is so close. Who else saw K'S car out there moving along the side of the road and went over to JO? Hence I ask was Higgins in the house at that time or in his jeep. Assuming it's HIggins Jeep.