VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[Malleeboy]

BBM
T1 testimony from Ryan Nagel, he told the court that his car group saw her vehicle at the intersection. They let her turn on Fairview first. All three in his car group testified they saw 2 people in that her vehicle. And saw the dome light on as KR's vehicle turned onto Fairfview.

They were seconds behind her.

When they went to leave they pulled around her. They each testified she was alone in the vehicle with the dome light on.

They each testified there was nobody on the ground and her tail lights looked like nothing was wrong with them.

Karen's Lexus has a door light on the inside bottom near the edge of the door, it isn't huge but if your sitting behind the car, you are going to notice the door open or be open.

 

[cocomod]

There are only 2 points I would have wished he had highlighted a little more.

I wish that AJ would have spent more time making it clear the time difference - 4 minutes to make it to OJO’s home. Not possible.

IF the data is true and she backed up, that doesn’t prove she hit him. In fact, she could have performed another 3 point turn because she isn’t familiar with these roads.

AJ was FIRE!! He smoked it and showed his passion without getting lost in the weeds.

 

[ShadyLady]

I don’t think so. Follow me and tell me what you think…

The diffusers were absolutely NOT broken in the ring footage of her leaving 1 Meadow at 5am bc the tail light lit up. Period. The end.

The diffusers WERE broken when all was said and done.

Sooooo…. How did they break? It certainly wasn’t from hitting JO.

The fact that ARCCA also wasn’t able to replicate the diffusers being broken in any of their trials also lends credibility to the idea that they were NOT broken by hitting JO.

Had to have taken several blows to break the lights. There was a tool box in the sally port iirc.

 

[nightowl1975]

Until Hank’s closing this morning, I had forgotten that KR called Jen at around 5am on 1/29, in self preservation mode, saying she had left John at the Waterfall. And then she called Kerri, pivoted, and said that John had been hit by a plow and was dead. It really begs the question- hos did she already know that John had been hit by a vehicle and was lying by the side of the road before her 6am trip to 34FV? I think Hank said a lot of dumb things the last few weeks, but he really stitched that together well.

I wonder if JM subtly suggested to Karen during the 5am call something along the lines of “omgosh, I hope he didn’t get hit by a snow plow” and Karen just doesn’t remember bc she was still drunk and obviously freaking out that he hadn’t come home at all. That would explain why Karen then really started freaking out more by the time she called Kerri. The obvious issue is Karen has never suggested this happened which doesn’t make a lot of sense unless she truly doesn’t remember. But it wouldn’t shock me at all if JM slipped it into the conversation somehow to get the ball rolling on the idea that maybe he was hit by the snow plow as I do believe that was the original “plan” so to speak. All IMO only.

 

[Malleeboy]

Whilst I think Karen is innocent based on the evidence (not just not guilty)
However, I was thinking what if she did hit him but the crack was minor as said Barros said, but Proctor broke and planted the taillight to "cinch" the case. This skewed the impact needed to cause the damage and this may cause Karen Read to go free.

 

[cocomod]

I wonder if JM subtly suggested to Karen during the 5am call something along the lines of “omgosh, I hope he didn’t get hit by a snow plow” and Karen just doesn’t remember bc she was still drunk and obviously freaking out that he hadn’t come home at all. That would explain why Karen then really started freaking out more by the time she called Kerri. The obvious issue is Karen has never suggested this happened which doesn’t make a lot of sense unless she truly doesn’t remember. But it wouldn’t shock me at all if JM slipped it into the conversation somehow to get the ball rolling on the idea that maybe he was hit by the snow plow as I do believe that was the original “plan” so to speak. All IMO only.

I have thought this very thing for quite some time. The story always starts with Jen. I think she was planting ideas from the start. She also called her sister to warn her that she was starting that coverup by planting ideas in Karen’s mind.

 

[Luna20]

There are only 2 points I would have wished he had highlighted a little more.

I wish that AJ would have spent more time making it clear the time difference - 4 minutes to make it to OJO’s home. Not possible.

IF the data is true and she backed up, that doesn’t prove she hit him. In fact, she could have performed another 3 point turn because she isn’t familiar with these roads.

AJ was FIRE!! He smoked it and showed his passion without getting lost in the weeds.

He has an incredible mind and ability. How he can recall things and articulate them flawlessly is beyond comprehension. The 3 of them were a great team and I am glad that they were team KR.

 

[ShadyLady]

I wonder if JM subtly suggested to Karen during the 5am call something along the lines of “omgosh, I hope he didn’t get hit by a snow plow” and Karen just doesn’t remember bc she was still drunk and obviously freaking out that he hadn’t come home at all. That would explain why Karen then really started freaking out more by the time she called Kerri. The obvious issue is Karen has never suggested this happened which doesn’t make a lot of sense unless she truly doesn’t remember. But it wouldn’t shock me at all if JM slipped it into the conversation somehow to get the ball rolling on the idea that maybe he was hit by the snow plow as I do believe that was the original “plan” so to speak. All IMO only.

100%.
Jen has her hands everywhere.

 

[nightowl1975]

Whilst I think Karen is innocent based on the evidence (not just not guilty)
However, I was thinking what if she did hit him but the crack was minor as said Barros said, but Proctor broke and planted the taillight to "cinch" the case. This skewed the impact needed to cause the damage and this may cause Karen Read to go free.

I’ll take it one further and say IMO *even if* there was actual evidence that she hit him, the fact that I 100% believe the investigation was abysmal and that tail light was tampered with would make me vote NG. Our legal system demands better from law enforcement IMO. The moment we allow them to tamper with evidence, that’s just a slippery slope I’m not willing to tolerate.

 

[Seattle1]

Recap: Karen Read jury begins deliberating after closing arguments, instructions

The jury is now deliberating the charges against Karen Read after hearing closing arguments Friday morning and receiving detailed instructions on how they'll deliberate.

www.nbcboston.com

6/13/25

Earlier, the defense raised concerns about the slips — having the slips shows what Yannetti meant by there being more options for guilty verdicts than not guilty — there are three lesser charges that Read could be guilty of under the umbrella of the manslaughter while operating a motor vehicle under the influence of liquor charge.

Verdict forms at MSM link.

 

[TDoc72]

What do you think about the prosecution hiring aperture for 400k and ARCCA was only 50k? That 400k seems strangely high to me.

I keep seeing this from various posters and want to point something out: IMO this is a false equivancy. ARCCA was paid 50k for testifying expenses and maybe a little extra testing after Aperature’s report. But they were also paid for the bulk of their testing by the FBI and I’ve never heard how much that was. If anyone knows, could they please post it?

 

[hooziewhutz]

I keep seeing this from various posters and want to point something out: IMO this is a false equivancy. ARCCA was paid 50k for testifying expenses and maybe a little extra testing after Aperature’s report. But they were also paid for the bulk of their testing by the FBI and I’ve never heard how much that was. If anyone knows, could they please post itR

Don't know. Regardless, ARCCA's servicers were offered to both sides equally. The CW chose to forego. They chose to pay the $400k over the $50k.

 

[Malleeboy]

I keep seeing this from various posters and want to point something out: IMO this is a false equivancy. ARCCA was paid 50k for testifying expenses and maybe a little extra testing after Aperature’s report. But they were also paid for the bulk of their testing by the FBI and I’ve never heard how much that was. If anyone knows, could they please post it?

The arm tests used in this case were new, they were based on Welcher's positioning and as a response to his report, which then came in late, and Brennan complained about. The glass cannon test was from the original testing and report. Yes, the FBI paid them, but the results were given to both sides, as a report from utterly independent FBI investigation. I doubt we will ever find out how much the FBI paid.

 

[nightowl1975]

I keep seeing this from various posters and want to point something out: IMO this is a false equivancy. ARCCA was paid 50k for testifying expenses and maybe a little extra testing after Aperature’s report. But they were also paid for the bulk of their testing by the FBI and I’ve never heard how much that was. If anyone knows, could they please post it?

The fact remains that all of the testing done with Rescue Randy in response to Aperture’s testing for trial two was done at a cost of $50K. I’m assuming the defense will get another bill after the trial for travel expenses, much like the bill they got post-trial one.

Compare this to the blue paint experiment that the CW paid $400K for in trial two.

The two aren’t remotely comparable IMO.

And if the CW had been so concerned about the cost disparity and how the DOJ/FBI actually paid ARCCA for the initial testing, they could’ve presented that evidence. Of course, they wanted nothing to do with telling the jury that the FBI had recommended not pursing charges against KR once the ARCCA report came back. JMO.

 

[nightowl1975]

Yes, the FBI paid them, but the results were given to both sides, as a report from utterly independent FBI investigation. I doubt we will ever find out how much the FBI paid.

Yes!! The CW got the same ARCCA results that the defense got. If the CW didn’t like the implication of cost disparity during this trial, they certainly could’ve pointed out that the DOJ/FBI actually paid ARCCA initially. Of course they wouldn’t touch that fact with a ten foot pole. That alone makes me think something stinks in the CW case. JMO.

 

[nightowl1975]

Don't know. Regardless, ARCCA's servicers were offered to both sides equally. The CW chose to forego. They chose to pay the $400k over the $50k.

IMO, the $400K wasn’t for the blue paint test. It was the price tag for Aperture’s integrity.

 

[Tortoise]

Until Hank’s closing this morning, I had forgotten that KR called Jen at around 5am on 1/29, in self preservation mode, saying she had left John at the Waterfall. And then she called Kerri, pivoted, and said that John had been hit by a plow and was dead. It really begs the question- hos did she already know that John had been hit by a vehicle and was lying by the side of the road before her 6am trip to 34FV? I think Hank said a lot of dumb things the last few weeks, but he really stitched that together well.

Not forgetting her voicemail 'No one knows where the f... you are', 20 minutes after she arrived home!

Ace closing argument from Brennan. Just the evidence, no stretches of the imagination, flights of fantasy or sales pitch, like Jackson. I thought Jackson looked uncomfortable, and insulted the intelligence of the jury by needing to explain how they should think and feel. What was all that about Jen would have run inside to see if her sister was alive? Ridiculous, IMO. Jen knew John never made it inside the house! And then the bar video, showing horseplay and trying to imply there was anything sinister going on, while John was happily sipping his drink. What a stretch. Ignoring the biggest elephant in the room ever, Karen reversing at speed with her foot right down while John is locking his phone! The defence case crumbled this year, thanks in large part to ARCCA's test E! I still wonder if Dr Wolfe wanted to show the truth without saying as much on the stand. Just like Karen's documentaries.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Source: trust me bro

BARD because I told ya in my closing. Weak, weak and weaker Brennan!

 

[jepop]

Brennan also slowed down one of Karen's videos to make it seems she was drunk in an interview. <modsnip>

No bounds.

 

[AngTxGal]

Respectfully, there has been zero evidence that JOK stopped to pee on any foliage at Fairview, and seeing it brought up many times over the past few days is just a little extreme.
IMO.

It isn’t extreme to think he may have done so, and that his fall was an accident, and that he never went into the house.

To me it is much more extreme to think a group conspired to draw him into the house, kill him, cover it up, and then plant evidence to frame someone else…but all of these seasoned cops chose to leave his body in the front yard of a cop?!

If you are looking for a Not Guilty verdict- you’ll no doubt get it. I see probable cause.
But that may not be justice for the O’Keefe family as an investigation should give the family more answers.
There is most likely a story of truth that aligns with the evidence and isn’t some grand conspiracy of intentional luring him into a fight, murder, and coverup.

IMO