VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[Alcina]

Mr. Alessi is the only one who is loud and clear. Have no trouble hearing him.

 

[bobbymkii]

It means the CW is no longer asking the judge to tell the jury that certain actions by Karen Read (like fleeing, lying, hiding evidence, etc.) could be interpreted as signs she knew she was guilty. Consciousness of guilt instruction is usually used to frame behavior (like deleting texts, calling a lawyer, acting frantic) as suspicious or incriminating. By pulling back that request, the CW is basically conceding that they can’t confidently argue she acted like someone who knew she committed a crime. They basically just admitted they don’t have a strong case for claiming her behavior after John’s death proves she knew she was guilty.

All MOO

ETA: Karen didn’t do things like fleeing, deleting texts, etc. Those are just examples of things that could be used as consciousness of guilt in a theoretical case.

Weird. Because I seem to remember Hank's argument for submitting most of those interview clips was that they showed "consciousness of guilt"

 

[Forest_Wood]

Mr. Alessi is the only one who is loud and clear. Have no trouble hearing him.

The court clerk is very loud this trial. Last trial you could hardly hear the lady talking into her equipment. Maybe they moved a microphone closer to her this trial to hear the prosecutors better and it's capturing her talking.

 

[BUF]

I'm surprised this is such a collaborative meeting! I didn't realize the instructions of a case was done in such cooperation between the court/defense/prosecution.

Jury instructions are so important…..but they have been notoriously hard for juries to interpret.

 

[Dawookie]

It means the CW is no longer asking the judge to tell the jury that certain actions by Karen Read (like fleeing, lying, hiding evidence, etc.) could be interpreted as signs she knew she was guilty. Consciousness of guilt instruction is usually used to frame behavior (like deleting texts, calling a lawyer, acting frantic) as suspicious or incriminating. By pulling back that request, the CW is basically conceding that they can’t confidently argue she acted like someone who knew she committed a crime. They basically just admitted they don’t have a strong case for claiming her behavior after John’s death proves she knew she was guilty.

All MOO

ETA: Karen didn’t do things like fleeing, deleting texts, etc. Those are just examples of things that could be used as consciousness of guilt in a theoretical case.

Thank you for the explanation

 

[Alcina]

Alessi bringing up the misconduct by the prosecutor Brennan.

 

[missy1974]

Alessi bringing up the misconduct by the prosecutor Brennan.

interesting that is seems Lally was arguing for the CW on it... will see when Alessi is done.

 

[BUF]

Mr. Alessi is the only one who is loud and clear. Have no trouble hearing him.

Alessi is the only attorney that got up to the podium with a mic. He wants to make sure he is heard.

 

[Alcina]

The court clerk is very loud this trial. Last trial you could hardly hear the lady talking into her equipment. Maybe they moved a microphone closer to her this trial to hear the prosecutors better and it's capturing her talking.

Yes, I can definitely hear her this trial. I'm surprised by that. It's like a low "hum" while others are talking.

 

[themonk]

ETA: Karen didn’t do things like fleeing, deleting texts, etc. Those are just examples of things that could be used as consciousness of guilt in a theoretical case.

RSBM

It was everyone else at 34F who did those things

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Defense want Judge Cannone to again clarify that holes in the back of the sweatshirt were cuts by MSP criminalist, not road rash.

 

[turaj]

Yanetti gave a suggestion of instructions more clear on the counts. This was the major problem last time that caused a mistrial. This was confirmed with jurors post trial. I think Bev wants to cause that confusion again. I can't believe it. She almost laughed at him for suggesting changes.

 

[Scarlettmydear]

It means the CW is no longer asking the judge to tell the jury that certain actions by Karen Read (like fleeing, lying, hiding evidence, etc.) could be interpreted as signs she knew she was guilty. Consciousness of guilt instruction is usually used to frame behavior (like deleting texts, calling a lawyer, acting frantic) as suspicious or incriminating. By pulling back that request, the CW is basically conceding that they can’t confidently argue she acted like someone who knew she committed a crime. They basically just admitted they don’t have a strong case for claiming her behavior after John’s death proves she knew she was guilty.

All MOO

ETA: Karen didn’t do things like fleeing, deleting texts, etc. Those are just examples of things that could be used as consciousness of guilt in a theoretical case.

Hmm, this is interesting considering the people at Albert's house did exactly all of those things.

 

[Alcina]

Early start tomorrow, 8:45, half hour lunch, stay until 5.

 

[Amber29]

Ok starting early and staying late tomorrow.

 

[bobbymkii]

Nooooo! Why is Lally the one arguing against this motion. It should be Hank doing the grovelling! He's the one what done did it!

JMO

 

[missy1974]

Nooooo! Why is Lally the one arguing against this motion. It should be Hank doing the grovelling! He's the one what done did it!

JMO

Brennan hardly said anything today ... anyone else surprised by this?

 

[Warwick7]

Commonwealth withdraws its request for a consciousness of guilt instruction to the jury!!

I had to look this up. Why would they withdraw that request??

 

[Wishbone]

Nooooo! Why is Lally the one arguing against this motion. It should be Hank doing the grovelling! He's the one what done did it!

JMO

It's almost like he is ashamed to show his face, lol. JMOO

 

[turaj]

Brennan hardly said anything today ... anyone else surprised by this?

nope not surprised....one of the major topics the holes in the shirt was due to his purposeful misleading...did not want him to argue that one.