MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[Bethlamb16]

I wonder if Jackson and Little are out trying to put together the strongest closing argument they can get. I also wonder if they are filing more motions based upon the actions of the judge and/or the prosecutor.

This judge just denied telling the jury stronger information regarding the holes in the back of the sweatshirt.

She also is offering the prosecutor the opportunity to do consciousness of guilt even though they chose not to.

I thought that was strange that she kept asking are they sure about not doing consciousness of guilt. IMO

 

[Anniesflowers]

The Sallyport cannot answer how Karen broke her tail light as captured on video in the 8am hour.

MOO

Please take a look at Sgt. Barros’ testimony, along with the video of ~4:15 the afternoon of 1/29/22. The video starts at 17:39. The still is at 18:59. The taillight was mostly intact when it leaves Read’s possession and is transferred into the CW’s possession. I have NO idea how the tail light was smashed out BUT I do know it was AFTER it was in CW custody.
Both doctors stated that the wounds were from an dog/animal bite. Both doctors have seen numerous verified dog/animal bites in their line of work. Do you not give any weight to their testimony? Did anyone on the CW side provide evidence that it WASN’T an animal bite?
Yesterday, we heard from Dr. R that the tail light would not have made those marks on his arm. He did the tests and provided actual scientific evidence that if JOK had been hit in the arm with her tail light, we would’ve seen a lot of bruising and broken bones. If JOK had been standing while holding his glass and Karen hit him, the impact would have been directly to the knuckles. No damage to his knuckles was found.
Link to Sgt. Barros testimony:

ETA: MOO

 

[Anniesflowers]

To see one person with a PhD discredit another person with a PhD is not something we will see often. After all, this is the highest educational discipline one can achieve. Some of us recognized how Welcher was trying to con us with his blue paint reenactment. It was evident that Dr Rentschler was disgusted in the "science" that Welcher portrayed in his testimony. Professionals who've studied and practised their discipline hate it when other "professionals" claim to follow scientific protocols yet don't actually. It gives the field a bad name when certain characters portray their work as science that is no more than quackery.

And charge 400k for the ‘right answer’. When you hear that arc a was only paid 50k for their actual scientific evidence. That’s a HUGE discrepancy. Moo

 

[Seattle1]

Watch live: Lawyers in court for hearing today, closing arguments Friday

With closing arguments now set for Friday, lawyers in the Karen Read trial are expected in court Thursday morning for a charge conference hearing to discuss housekeeping issues without the jury present.

www.nbcboston.com

6/12/25

 

[Anniesflowers]

That's obviously because SOMEONE edited that video and cut parts out. I would like to know who knew how to edit that security video. No cloud to protect the security of the sally port. Pretty corrupt. Why bother having security at Canton station if videos can be destroyed??

What else has been deleted in the past?

Hmmmm let’s see…..there’s missing library footage, missing footage from JOK’s ring camera (niece testified KR did not have access to the camera), missing Ring camera footage from the LE’s home across the street (which would have had a view right to where JOK was found). No other Ring camera footage was taken from any of their neighbors (even if it didn’t have a view of 34 F, I would think you’d be able to hear the alleged collision)…..there may be more, but that’s all I can recall. MOO

 

[Anniesflowers]

No Jackson, No Lizzie Little

Maybe working on the closing?

 

[themonk]

Hmmmm let’s see…..there’s missing library footage, missing footage from JOK’s ring camera (niece testified KR did not have access to the camera), missing Ring camera footage from the LE’s home across the street (which would have had a view right to where JOK was found). No other Ring camera footage was taken from any of their neighbors (even if it didn’t have a view of 34 F, I would think you’d be able to hear the alleged collision)…..there may be more, but that’s all I can recall. MOO

Surely this is just coincidental!

 

[Tortoise]

They should have and here it is for Massachusetts state law for your reading pleasure.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.mass.gov/doc/105-cmr-170-emergency-medical-services-system/download pg 32

link doesn't work.

Regardless, they fulfilled their obligations in that their team lead completed a report.

 

[Tortoise]

I thought that was strange that she kept asking are they sure about not doing consciousness of guilt. IMO

It doesn't mean they are not going to argue she showed consciousness of guilt in their closing argument, it only means there will not be a specific jury instruction on it.

Lally indicated in today's hearing that they intend to argue things she said in the clips shown, particularly the one where she said she was expecting she would find him, if I heard him correctly.

 

[Anniesflowers]

link doesn't work.

Regardless, they fulfilled their obligations in that their team lead completed a report.

Did ANY first responder’s report show that Karen Read allegedly confessed to hitting John? If I heard anything like that from a suspect, I would’ve written down. EVEN if it wasn’t part of my regular role. That’s HUGE.

 

[Anniesflowers]

link doesn't work.

Regardless, they fulfilled their obligations in that their team lead completed a report.

I recall FF/P McLaughlin state that KR made these statements in front of a police officer, imo. Did that officer put in his report that he heard it? LEO’s have to document everything in their reports. I don’t recall hearing that testimony about the police report, but I could’ve missed it.

 

[mrjitty]

It doesn't mean they are not going to argue she showed consciousness of guilt in their closing argument, it only means there will not be a specific jury instruction on it.

Lally indicated in today's hearing that they intend to argue things she said in the clips shown, particularly the one where she said she was expecting she would find him, if I heard him correctly.

Yes.

It's worth pointing out that all of these instructions are pattern, and much of the content is collaborated on by the two sets of attorneys.

The reason Judges don't depart from the pattern instructions much if at all is they have all been heavily litigated and settled by the appellate courts. Freelancing your own instructions is the kind of thing that actually does lead to successful appeals if the Judge makes an error.

This is one big reason why the Judge was approved in the previous sets of appeals after the first trial 1 - she followed all the standard instructions and procedures established in MA. Especially she wasn't going to change the form because Mr Jackson uses something different in a different state jurisdiction.

IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Did ANY first responder’s report show that Karen Read allegedly confessed to hitting John? If I heard anything like that from a suspect, I would’ve written down. EVEN if it wasn’t part of my regular role. That’s HUGE.

Regardless, the post I was originally responding to stated that this story did not emerge for months after the event. It was reported to police January 30th, and it was in the affidavit read out in court on February 2nd, 2022.

 

[geevee]

Annoyingly, Judge Cannone won’t allow Dr. Rentschler’s powerpoint to be admitted into evidence… which means that the jury won’t receive it for reference during deliberations.

She is admitting Dr. Wolfe's and IIRC it is very similar to Dr. Rentschler's, so at least there's that.

I am glad she said she's "think about" giving a stronger admonishment about Brennan's "mistake" of insinuating the cuts to the back of the hoodie were damage caused my the (nonexistent) 'collision', I doubt she actually will, but at least she didn't say NO right off.

 

[Angelwatch]

Annoyingly, Judge Cannone won’t allow Dr. Rentschler’s powerpoint to be admitted into evidence… which means that the jury won’t receive it for reference during deliberations.

Hopefully, at least one of the jurors who takes good notes makes it to deliberation.

 

[turaj]

Seriously she did? I would expect after last time that they would make it crystal clear that they can vote on each charge individually. What was finally decided for the verdict form? Thank you.

she is considering Yanetti's suggested revision but indicated probably the same as last time. I can't believe it.

 

[lohrtabitha]

link doesn't work.

Regardless, they fulfilled their obligations in that their team lead completed a report.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/105-cmr-170-emergency-medical-services-system/download

 

[turaj]

Maybe working on the closing?

yes but I also think it was due to the fact that AJ just seems to irritate the judge and she is obvious about it. She seems more mellow with Yanetti.

 

[Seattle1]

dbm

 

[jepop]

Seriously she did? I would expect after last time that they would make it crystal clear that they can vote on each charge individually. What was finally decided for the verdict form? Thank you.

No change although she is leaving it hanging officially until the last moment when she will make it official, probably about 8.30 am tomorrow. The defense will be prepping their closing argument in line with her making no changes I would guess. They know it's a no already. Jmo