VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

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No it does not prove she hit JOK.
What else could have caused that damage? There are numerous other possibilities.
  • JOK could have hit her taillight with his glass on purpose when he got out of the vehicle because they were arguing.
  • She could have backed into Higgins plow since his jeep was supposed to have been there.
  • Higgins could have hit her taillight with his plow without her even realizing, since I believe she was in a blackout and can't remember anything after the Waterfall but in the recesses of her mind, she recalled a plow for some reason.
  • The morning rear bump into John's SUV.
Some ideas.
Tail light.
1)Partial/minimal tail light damage as per Officer Barros (and tow truck/1 meadows vids) from backing into Higgins' jeep at 12.30am as she was leaving. Higgins' jeep parked in drive of no. 33 but road end ( solo cup supplying cop with no security camera footage for that evening, alarm bells anyone?), or parked on verge of no. 36. This does not have to be a severe impact at speed to cause the crack/missing area.

or 2) Higgins heading towards jeep parked in drive of no 33 as KR is leaving at 12.30am, launches glass at rear of Lexus as she leaves - this is the glass later found on bumper, it is from a glass Higgins was holding from 34 Fairview which of course was never matched due to non- investigation.

Reverse 1162-2.
At 12.31x seconds, Karen takes a wrong turn in her way to Meadows. Her location is within a 0.9 mile radius of 1162-1 ( the 3 point turn at 12.23x seconds). She realises, stops and backs up the 80 feet. Back on route she continues on to Meadows (dialing JOK a number of times on the way per phone records), connecting to his wifi at 12.36x seconds.

She stops in Meadows drive with engine running to make the calls as logged between c12.36 -1240am, perhaps thinking she could be driving back to Fairview to get John if he picked up, so not immediately entering the garage. .

After he doesn't pick up, she auto opens the garage and drives in, a couple more quick unanswered calls then the ignition off at 12.41?. She exits the car and enters the house.

The CW's case cannot make sense of this evidence; the state of the tail light, the state of JO's body, the location of JO's body, KR's arrival time at 1 Meadows. The CW's case fails to counter the defense's experts. Dismally. Jmo
 
Some of these things .. I don't know if we will ever get a good explaination.

Why did Karen drive towards the Waterfall in the early morning hour if she KNEW she had hit him? They have video of her driving that way. Surely she didn't do that because she knew that camera was there?

The plow thing is odd.. BUT.. from locals that post here, it's a thing there. A bunch of cops out drinking.. were they talking about it that night? Did it come up in conversation?

I think she didn't know the address of the Albert's. I think the only person she did "know" in the area was Kerri. Kerri didn't know the others group.

I still have some questions too. And I don't know whether I believe any of them, I think memories in a situation like that, with the alcohol added in, are just not good or easily influenced (look at KRobert's testimony, and she was not drinking until the wee hours of the morning that I know of)

But it is really hard to not believe the experts that say he was not hit by a car and the marks on his arm are from a dog.

JMO
I don’t believe anything that JM or KR said. I believe the medical testimony and ARCCA. Karen did say she verbally went through possible scenarios for why he was missing so I believe she may have asked about the plow. I don’t personally find it odd given the blizzard.
 
Not forgetting her voicemail 'No one knows where the f... you are', 20 minutes after she arrived home!

Ace closing argument from Brennan. Just the evidence, no stretches of the imagination, flights of fantasy or sales pitch, like Jackson. I thought Jackson looked uncomfortable, and insulted the intelligence of the jury by needing to explain how they should think and feel. What was all that about Jen would have run inside to see if her sister was alive? Ridiculous, IMO. Jen knew John never made it inside the house! And then the bar video, showing horseplay and trying to imply there was anything sinister going on, while John was happily sipping his drink. What a stretch. Ignoring the biggest elephant in the room ever, Karen reversing at speed with her foot right down while John is locking his phone! The defence case crumbled this year, thanks in large part to ARCCA's test E! I still wonder if Dr Wolfe wanted to show the truth without saying as much on the stand. Just like Karen's documentaries.

MOO
BBM. You are right she knew that her sister and family was okay because she knew JOK was killed in that house. This group is covering for someone and we all probably know who. I hope that in their drunk celebrations to come, someone will slip up and the truth will be revealed. It's hard to take lies in this big of a group to the grave. Jmo
 
. What was all that about Jen would have run inside to see if her sister was alive? Ridiculous, IMO. Jen knew John never made it inside the house!
MOO
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This is key!! I can’t believe anyone can’t see how incredibly scary it should have been to Jen to find a dead “man” (suppose to be her friend) on her sister’s lawn. Could her sister and husband be hurt too?? IMO NO-ONE should have known what happened to John; and her family isn’t answering the phone with all the commotion outside of their home?? Any sane person would be worried about their family possibly also being hurt.
 
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Yes. For every other lie you can kinda figure out why - to point the finger at KR, minimize or hide involvement by someone, alter timeline etc.. But this one? Where could the car have actually been and who/what is the implication if we know where it really was? The other weird event is the whole “BH plowed the driveway even though there was no snow for a joke” thing…hahaha..so funny…actually, no, not funny at all - just weird.
Does the jeep at the mailbox block the view of all the people coming and going that night and help explain why they didn’t see a body on the lawn?

I think the ones who lied about the jeep are the ones directly involved in the coverup. Fortunately, their lie made it even more implausible for KR to back up that evening and hit JOK. She would have slammed into the jeep. That’s the thing about lies. They come back to bite you. IMO.
 
Don't know. Regardless, ARCCA's servicers were offered to both sides equally. The CW chose to forego. They chose to pay the $400k over the $50k.
You know, this is an excellent point! CW had the opportunity to use ARCCA's services since they had the original report from the department of justice but the CW chose not to call them during Trials 1 or 2. Hank told the jury that ARCCA also does tech work just like Aperture does AND YET the CW hired Aperture instead of ARCCA to do the tech stream work. Hank is such a little little man.
MOO
 
It would have been wasting precious minutes wandering off to check something she wasn't even worried about, at the same moment Kerry physically needed her to take over chest compressions. I haven't seen any evidence she didn't care for her family, that's just defence hyperbole, IMO.

Karen knew 20 minutes after getting back to Meadows that nobody knew where John was. Then changed her story from 'Waterfall' to 'John's dead, he's been hit by a snow plow' after she found out she'd been seen outside the house.

MOO
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Jen Mccabe was doing nothing and could have easily demanded for BA to come out and help. He didn't because he knew John was dead and he was one of the men who dragged him to the spot where he was found. That is why Brian Albert didn't come out. Before becoming a police officer BA was military. <modsnip -opinion stated as fact> BA testified that he didn't know JOK that well in which it made it easier for him to lie in bed. Moo
 
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BBM. You are right she knew that her sister and family was okay because she knew JOK was killed in that house. This group is covering for someone and we all probably know who. I hope that in their drunk celebrations to come, someone will slip up and the truth will be revealed. It's hard to take lies in this big of a group to the grave. Jmo
I really think AllieMc will break someday. She is deep into what went down. Guilt is a powerful thing. IMO
 
But there was no evidence presented to prove this. I guess this is why BC stressed to the jury that the opening and closing statements are not evidence. The lawyers can say anything they want?
Also inferences to be drawn from facts in evidence not speculation, per charging instructions.
 
Until Hank’s closing this morning, I had forgotten that KR called Jen at around 5am on 1/29, in self preservation mode, saying she had left John at the Waterfall. And then she called Kerri, pivoted, and said that John had been hit by a plow and was dead. It really begs the question- hos did she already know that John had been hit by a vehicle and was lying by the side of the road before her 6am trip to 34FV? I think Hank said a lot of dumb things the last few weeks, but he really stitched that together well.

It is not necessarily preservation mode. To me, you can’t have it both ways. She likely did go home and drink more because she didn’t want John to go to the after party. She was insecure about the possibility of him cheating on her. She sounds insecure and both of them were toxic in their relationship as seen in their text messages. If she was drunk, the night was blurry to her. She got confused about the details other than focusing on her boyfriend not being home.

My son can drink and seem perfectly fine and even jovial. He can drive and he seems not drunk when talking to him. Then one more drink or maybe even just 15 more minutes and all of a sudden his anxiety kicks in and he is completely paranoid. I see this similarly in Karen’s VM. My son saw a diaper bag on the bed and immediately assumed his wife was leaving him. Karen in a drunken state could have jumbled the evening and would have been extremely susceptible to suggestion.

Either way, there is NO proof he was hit by a vehicle and she should be acquitted due to lack of evidence.
 
Also in that article, Matt McCabe talks about John mentioning he might go visit a male friend. We never heard from this friend. But I wonder why John would have been saying that earlier in the evening to Matt McCabe. Do people just go visit friends after midnight like that? It's weird IMO that John would say that. So he wanted Karen to drive him to Fairview and then he'd go visit his friend afterwards?

MMc:" We were completely confused as to where John was... we knew that John had mentioned that he was potentially going to be meeting up with another person, so my wife called that individual to see if by chance... did John not go with her, did he get out of the car, did he go somewhere else?"
Lie, again from Mc. Wanted to place him somewhere else, 'tell them the guy never went into the house' IMO
 
The idea that JOK was bumped by KR in a way that doesn't shatter the tail light (rather than not hit at all) doesn't fit with many cw so-called facts ...
1 It proves a lie of their claim that the tail light pieces landed where JOK landed (a thesis that really doesn't work on all kinds of levels) -- raising the question of how those pieces got there, and why,
2 For the vehicle to strike JOK in a way that propelled him somewhere, it had to actually HIT him with some force, and that force would create damage to his body - yet JOK didn't have so much as a bruise or broken bone that could have been caused by a vehicle [which raises the side issue of, if you want to say KR vehicle gently nudged him so lightly that there's no harm to him whatsoever, can that even be considered her causing his death rather than him being so impaired by alcohol that he stumbled and fell and hit his head? but we can't really even land there either, because ....],
3 It doesn't account for the dog bites on the arm,
4 The dog bites had to have happened while the blood was circulating according to the medical testimony (the nature of the wounds show it was to a living person, not dead) while the blow to the head was an immediately-incapacitating injury that would have led to death very soon thereafter.

There's one other thing that regularly keeps being ignored (or falsely stated), and imo helps obscure the truth, and AJ did well to try to make it clear in closing: there is a LOT of evidence, all of which fits together, which showed that JOK almost certainly went inside (inside the house, or garage). That evidence is fact and cannot be ignored.

The circular-reasoning claim that "JOK went inside must not be true because where's the evidence' ignores the very clear truth that Proctor deliberately chose not to look for any evidence in the house, because he decided in advance that cops couldn't have been involved.

However, despite the cw's best efforts, the very tech data that the cw used DID offer helpful evidence
1 There is no evidence in the tech data of the moment of JOK death or of him being hit as he exited the vehicle at a supposed time,
2 In fact, it shows JOK movement after exiting the car included 36 steps (which obviously he didn't take while in the car), which, not coincidentally imo, is the distance from the road to the house/garage,
3 It showed that movement was toward the house generally,
4 The data from the phone disappeared for 12 minutes at 12:24 - the cw expert called it a "low accuracy" stream of data but further explained there was basically no signal or info being transmitted during that time - and then explained a main reason this happens is when a phone goes inside a building (!!!),
5 We have no way to know, after that point, if JOK was actually in possession and control of his phone for any subsequent "actions" (I would suggest he was not).
6 If we consider all of the above, in the context of dog bite injuries, and no vehicle-caused injuries, the truth of what must have happened is completely different from the story the cw wants us to believe.

Oh, and by the way, once we consider all that, then it further destroys any possibility that JOK could have been bumped by KR in a way that didn't shatter the tail light. He was elsewhere when she was backing up or whatever, dealing with a dog attack and who knows what else. Why? I dunno, but a ROBUST investigation needs to figure it out. JOK deserves much better than this lazy and inaccurate drek the cw has offered.
Once again, great post Steve. So well stated.
 
All these middle aged women vying to be JOK's best friend! LOL.

Kerry with whom he attended HS prom. JenMc the "soccer mom" who flirted with him any chance she got. The GF from years ago attending court daily. The single mom neighbor he dated. Other women living around Fairview according to Karen. And of course Karen who was practically his live-in GF who he used as his baby-sitter and designated driver so he could get drunk constantly such as in Aruba and in Canton, Mass. What was the allure I wonder?
John was very far from being perfect...many women in his life, too much drinking etc. sure but KR did not kill him. Did the entire events of the evening lead up to his death but remember KR did not even want to go to 34 Fairview.
 
Jackson's ridiculous (IMO) point, which was what I posted about, was that she would have thought they were all dead.

Jen made a decision, in the face of a traumatic life or death situation, and being asked to take over, to spend every second available trying to save John's life. Any CPR is better than no CPR.

MOO


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Anybody finding a man on their family's lawn, having called the sister around 05:00 AM with no answer, and again called twice just after 06:00 AM and still no answer, would have been panicked that something had also happened to the people inside the house. It's human nature to think the worst when confronted with a dead body on the lawn where he had been invited. She'd have no idea he didn't go into the house after they had left. A normal person would have rushed into that home to make sure everyone was okay. She had enough time to do that before Kerry asked her for help while she didn't want to dirty her princess hands so she chose to stay on her phone the entire time Kerry and Karen were trying to save John's life. JMc testified she knew JOK didn't go into the home, and she knew her family was okay. She even testified she went into their room slowly because she didn't want them to think "something bad had happened". It doesn't reconcile to how a human brain processes such a shocking scene. She couldn't possibly have known her family was okay in that circumstance.
MOO
 
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All these middle aged women vying to be JOK's best friend! LOL.

Kerry with whom he attended HS prom. JenMc the "soccer mom" who flirted with him any chance she got. The GF from years ago attending court daily. The single mom neighbor he dated. Other women living around Fairview according to Karen. And of course Karen who was practically his live-in GF who he used as his baby-sitter and designated driver so he could get drunk constantly such as in Aruba and in Canton, Mass. What was the allure I wonder?
Good info here. Someone remind me again who Karen thought he might have been with another woman that night who either lived in that neighborhood or close by?
 
I will say if KR verdict is NG of all charges or even not Brian Higgins should get far away from that state. AFter listening to AJ closing it is clear they put the blame on him. I think a drunken argument that got out of control and some quick coverup. The defense did not have to provide that scenario but it is plausible. I would not want to be anywhere near that guy.
 
I think the defense has plenty for reasonable doubt, but no matter what the verdict is we still don’t have an explanation as to what happened.
And that is because of the shoddy investigation. It all comes back to Proctor and the rest of those clowns who call themselves cops.
MOO
 
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