VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #35 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

I think they wanted to put the blame on the underage nephew of Brian Albert but no one was allowed to say his name. So they used Higgins instead. They had the jealousy angle.
I don’t see Jen McCabe rallying to protect Higgins.
I do see Higgins and the others - mostly all his relatives - involved to protect the kid who is now in or was in college.
JMO

Spot on! Spot on! 1 million percent!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Why this is true for some, why didnt Brian Albert and his wife come out to help? I will answer that; because they knew John Okeefe was dead and nothing could be done. Imo

And they needed to keep as far away from John as possible to show they were not involved. There is absolutely no way, no how someone in that family did not hear all that commotion outside their windows. And their dog would have been barking at that commotion too! They are deceitful people.
MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

It was on THEIR lawn which is quite different from the side of the road. Even if you didn’t want to wake them up, wouldn’t you wonder if they were ok given that their bedroom window was close to the area where his body lay with a screaming, hysterical woman, with an ambulance, fire truck and police car with their engines running and lights flashing and all the noise from all of them? You wouldn’t be asking yourself why they didn’t wake up and wonder if maybe, just maybe, they too were in trouble?

100 percent post here. Also, homeowners know that if accidents happen on their property, that they can be liable for. That's even more reason for the Alberts to go out and see what's happening. There is absolutely no excuse for them not going out whatsoever. NONE! IMO

 

[turaj]

100 percent post here. Also, homeowners know that if accidents happen on their property, that they can be liable for. That's even more reason for the Alberts to go out and see what's happening. There is absolutely no excuse for them not going out whatsoever. NONE! IMO

and it is an insult to the public and the sitting jurors to suggest that it is reasonable to expect those inside the house to look out and come out of the house.

 

[HarmonyE.]

100 percent post here. Also, homeowners know that if accidents happen on their property, that they can be liable for. That's even more reason for the Alberts to go out and see what's happening. There is absolutely no excuse for them not going out whatsoever. NONE! IMO

Oh, I think they had a very good excuse for not going out.

They didn't want anyone asking them any questions about what had happened the night before until they absolutely had to.

 

[ShadyLady]

Oh, I think they had a very good excuse for not going out.

They didn't want anyone asking them any questions about what had happened the night before until they absolutely had to.

I wonder how long it took to get the whiff of beach out of the house....

 

[Forest_Wood]

People react differently in a crisis, and I don’t know the background of Jen, Kelly, or really Karen.
But they got baby blankets out of the house to try to warm him up, I’ve also read the Karen tried to use her body to warm him up.
Do I think JMcCabe thought her sister and the family in the home were all dead? No

Maybe they nearness to the road made them clearly think it looked like a hit by car or snow plow accident?
Maybe the sight of blood hinted to him that he was hurt more than just cold?

I cannot fault any of them for their actions- all three had to be traumatized by the fact that it is a dead cold body in the elements of someone they know.

I’m not sure what I would have done, or if I would act in a way that others would judge as lacking.

IMO

They got baby blankets out of the house? Where is this information from?
Who is Kelly?
Nobody knows how they might react to a traumatic event, but it's logical and fair to think if I found a dead body on my sister's lawn, I'd be concerned for her also since she failed to pick up her phone 1x, 2x, 3x. It's not ridiculous like the OP stated.
MOO

 

[AngTxGal]

Why this is true for some, why didnt Brian Albert and his wife come out to help? I will answer that; because they knew John Okeefe was dead and nothing could be done. Imo

I hope the real story comes out some day, as I don’t think the truth is nearly as complicated as the conspiracy that has been put together by the defense and some of the public.

I’m not contesting Reasonable Doubt- and I popular opinions are exactly what I tend to avoid.

Of course I could be wrong- and people here and the public and the defense knows exactly what happened and all of these people are involved in a plan to lure JOK to the house, kill him or at least ambush him and beat him up (which there is zero evidence for) and accidentally kill him, move him to the yard, and proceed to create a story and evidence to frame KR.
All of these people plus more are involved
BA, NA, BAJr, SL, JMc, MMc, KRob, BH, MP, YB, KD
The DA, Assist DA, Police Commish
And the entire O’Keefe family
The EMTs have been suspected here
And this happened in Jan 2022? Nobody has talked? Wow, that is impressive.

I don’t buy it

Brennan made some interesting points in his closing- I would love to hear what behavior analysts think about KRs actions. Where was she during those 28 min? Why did she not assume he was asleep on someone’s couch?
IMO

 

[mzmarymac]

A long time ago, my brother lived on a fairly large piece of property where the home was set back from the road which was at a large curve in the road that was not well lit. A man was driving and missed the curve and hit a tree and unfortunately ultimately passed away from his injuries. Much like JOK, he was likely brain dead, but was kept on life support trying everything.

My brother and his wife were sleeping and didn't hear the crash. But guess what. There was a knock at the door which awakened them to police officers asking them if they heard or saw anything. My brother immediately went out to the vehicle to see if he could provide any help and saw it was actually a friend of his from work. There were emergency vehicles all over the place on his property and a full investigation was done. Scene taped off and HOURS to investigate, take photographs, take statements from my brother and his wife, just to make sure there wasn't more to the story - especially because they knew the victim.

If a dead cop is on the lawn of another cops house, there will definitely be a knock at the door and the homeowner is definitely going to be questioned at the scene.

 

[AngTxGal]

They got baby blankets out of the house? Where is this information from?
Who is Kelly?
Nobody knows how they might react to a traumatic event, but it's logical and fair to think if I found a dead body on my sister's lawn, I'd be concerned for her also since she failed to pick up her phone 1x, 2x, 3x. It's not ridiculous like the OP stated.
MOO

No, I mistyped, they got those from KRoberts car. I saw that testimony and watched the video of her folding them up and putting them back in the back of her car. My mistake.
My mistake

 

[Soulmagent]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

Yes. Except I think his head injury could have made him puke and that is maybe when he got tossed in the yard.
I have seen a party host do this in person.
Then he died. I think they might have thought he would be alright and just call someone.
Not married to the theory .

 

[keek]

They got baby blankets out of the house? Where is this information from?
Who is Kelly?
Nobody knows how they might react to a traumatic event, but it's logical and fair to think if I found a dead body on my sister's lawn, I'd be concerned for her also since she failed to pick up her phone 1x, 2x, 3x. It's not ridiculous like the OP stated.
MOO

Kerry got baby blankets out of HER own suv. Testified. Jmc didn't think ahead in her script to act hysterical and shocked of finding JOK there and run into her sister's house to alert. Her husb on the phone told her to tell KR to shut the ... up, wake the whole neighborhood. NOT natural thinking knowing why or 'advice'. wake the whole neighborhood? Yes..how it would go. IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

A long time ago, my brother lived on a fairly large piece of property where the home was set back from the road which was at a large curve in the road that was not well lit. A man was driving and missed the curve and hit a tree and unfortunately ultimately passed away from his injuries. Much like JOK, he was likely brain dead, but was kept on life support trying everything.

My brother and his wife were sleeping and didn't hear the crash. But guess what. There was a knock at the door which awakened them to police officers asking them if they heard or saw anything. My brother immediately went out to the vehicle to see if he could provide any help and saw it was actually a friend of his from work. There were emergency vehicles all over the place on his property and a full investigation was done. Scene taped off and HOURS to investigate, take photographs, take statements from my brother and his wife, just to make sure there wasn't more to the story - especially because they knew the victim.

If a dead cop is on the lawn of another cops house, there will definitely be a knock at the door and the homeowner is definitely going to be questioned at the scene.

Yes, the cops should have investigated further than the corner of the yard.
Their not doing so makes no sense at all. It stinks

IMO

 

[Spider92]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

To me, that seems more likely than a fist fight. If there really was a fight, I think JOK’s face and/or knuckles, would show more than a small cut near his eye.

 

[nightowl1975]

How and why did he then end up near the flagpole?

Perhaps they panicked thinking of the culpability they would have from their dog attacking JO and causing his death. Some states have pretty strict laws about dogs causing deaths, especially if there is a known history of biting people. JMO

 

[ShadyLady]

I hope the real story comes out some day, as I don’t think the truth is nearly as complicated as the conspiracy that has been put together by the defense and some of the public.

I’m not contesting Reasonable Doubt- and I popular opinions are exactly what I tend to avoid.

Of course I could be wrong- and people here and the public and the defense knows exactly what happened and all of these people are involved in a plan to lure JOK to the house, kill him or at least ambush him and beat him up (which there is zero evidence for) and accidentally kill him, move him to the yard, and proceed to create a story and evidence to frame KR.
All of these people plus more are involved
BA, NA, BAJr, SL, JMc, MMc, KRob, BH, MP, YB, KD
The DA, Assist DA, Police Commish
And the entire O’Keefe family
The EMTs have been suspected here
And this happened in Jan 2022? Nobody has talked? Wow, that is impressive.

I don’t buy it

Brennan made some interesting points in his closing- I would love to hear what behavior analysts think about KRs actions. Where was she during those 28 min? Why did she not assume he was asleep on someone’s couch?
IMO

Easy. It's called the Blue Wall. And you did post that blankets were from Albert's house. Which is FALSE.

Wiki:
The blue wall of silence, also blue code and blue shield, are terms used to denote an informal code of silence among police officers in the United States not to report on a colleague's errors, misconduct, or crimes, especially as related to police brutality in the United States. If questioned about an incident of alleged misconduct involving another officer, while following the code, the officer being questioned would perjure themselves by feigning ignorance of another officer's wrongdoing.

 

[AngTxGal]

Does anyone agree with me that in actuality, Chloe could have just attacked JOK and he fell backwards and hit his head on a hard floor, possibly in the garage or basement?

YES, or he could have hit his head on the slab where the flag is mounted in the yard, or the slab where the fire hydrant is mounted in the yard, or the asphalt curb.
Here in Texas a flagpole that size would be mounted using concrete.
Fire hydrants are mounted to water pipes using bolts, and some have a small concrete slab.

I’m not sure why that raised surface with texture (Lapasada describes as consistent with JOKs head wound) has to be inside the home- except to bring in a third party to blame.

Of course a better investigation may have shown evidence to find out. And that evidence is gone

IMO

 

[mzmarymac]

Yes. Except I think his head injury could have made him puke and that is maybe when he got tossed in the yard.
I have seen a party host do this in person.
Then he died. I think they might have thought he would be alright and just call someone.
Not married to the theory .

They were all first-responders and very easily could tell the difference between a guy who would sleep it off on the lawn (in the freezing cold?) and one who is at very minimum near death. JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Perhaps they panicked thinking of the culpability they would have from their dog attacking JO and causing his death. Some states have pretty strict laws about dogs causing deaths, especially if there is a known history of biting people. JMO

Those would be civil penalties only. Civil damages covered by homeowners' insurance. Not criminal (assuming they didn't command Chloe to kill John, of course).

Would an even remotely sane person risk prison to avoid an increase in their insurance premiums?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I hope the real story comes out some day, as I don’t think the truth is nearly as complicated as the conspiracy that has been put together by the defense and some of the public.

I’m not contesting Reasonable Doubt- and I popular opinions are exactly what I tend to avoid.

Of course I could be wrong- and people here and the public and the defense knows exactly what happened and all of these people are involved in a plan to lure JOK to the house, kill him or at least ambush him and beat him up (which there is zero evidence for) and accidentally kill him, move him to the yard, and proceed to create a story and evidence to frame KR.
All of these people plus more are involved
BA, NA, BAJr, SL, JMc, MMc, KRob, BH, MP, YB, KD
The DA, Assist DA, Police Commish
And the entire O’Keefe family
The EMTs have been suspected here
And this happened in Jan 2022? Nobody has talked? Wow, that is impressive.

I don’t buy it

Brennan made some interesting points in his closing- I would love to hear what behavior analysts think about KRs actions. Where was she during those 28 min? Why did she not assume he was asleep on someone’s couch?
IMO

They jury doesn't have to believe ALL of those scenarios. They can just pick one to realize there is reasonable doubt and not enough evidence to convict her. It was proven that JOK was not hit by KR's vehicle. And that is what the CW has based their case entirely on. All the rest is drama that people want to focus on.
MOO