VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #36 Retrial

[cocomod]

John's DNA was on her taillight. Hair matching his mitochondrial DNA was on that same rear quarter panel.

Of course there was taillight damage, plus scratches and a small dent on her Lexus rear quarter panel. (testified to by Maureen Hartnett)

Taillight DNA results testified to by Andre Porto Mass State Police crime lab (trial day 17) and independently tested by Nick Bradford of Bode (trial

RSBM

John was in a relationship with Karen. Of course his DNA was on her car - plus, it was proven it COULD have been from his niece or nephew. The key here that is totally ignored in this argument is that DNA was MISSING from the broken pieces on the lawn. No way blood DNA wouldn’t have been found if that was the thing that scratched his arm.

 

[Tortoise]

A single DNA trace which could belong to John, his nephew, or any relative isn’t the "proof" the prosecution claims especially considering there are two male DNA samples on John's that the commonwealth neglected to test.

John spent time around Karen’s car, just as my husband’s DNA is all over mine. That’s what happens in relationships it’s expected, not evidence of a crime.

As for the one hair strand? It defies logic. It "survived" snowstorms and 65mph winds during a multi-town transfer. Yet dislodged when photographed? and just happened to land on the exact panel the prosecution needed?

That’s not forensic science that’s convenience.

The facts remain, no collision evidence, no paint transfer, no body damage consistent with hitting a person, no injuries matching a car strike.

No credible DNA link. Transfer DNA does not equate to proof of impact.

The prosecution’s case relies on coincidence, not proof. A stray hair and ambient DNA don’t override hard science and medical consensus that John wasn’t struck by a car. imo

As regards the hair, it would have been underneath all that frozen snow on the car when it was transported. And it was stuck on the car, that much was in evidence by the photograph of it before it was removed into evidence. It wasn't sitting loose on a horizontal ledge like the bumper, it was on a vertical panel of the car, after the snow had thawed. One can see the snow already on the car while it was parked outside Meadows at 8am that day.

I wouldn't expect to find John's DNA on broken edges of the taillight left in the housing, where it was swabbed. It's biological evidence of contact with the vehicle where it was damaged. If there was no DNA that would be something, but it was there so it is consistent with striking his arm, and it was a very strong result, even after being subjected to the elements.

MOO

 

[cocomod]

As regards the hair, it would have been underneath all that frozen snow on the car when it was transported. And it was stuck on the car, that much was in evidence by the photograph of it before it was removed into evidence. It wasn't sitting loose on a horizontal ledge like the bumper, it was on a vertical panel of the car, after the snow had thawed. One can see the snow already on the car while it was parked outside Meadows at 8am that day.

I wouldn't expect to find John's DNA on broken edges of the taillight left in the housing, where it was swabbed. It's biological evidence of contact with the vehicle where it was damaged. If there was no DNA that would be something, but it was there so it is consistent with striking his arm, and it was a very strong result, even after being subjected to the elements.

MOO

She parked in the garage for hours after she dropped him off, the hair wouldn’t have stayed on the car.

 

[nightowl1975]

Look a few posts above and you will see some people implying the cause of death was not falling backwards and not blunt force trauma-
but being hit in the head by an object that caused a deep wound.
That isn’t true

IMO

Ah, I see. I had initially thought it to be being hit with an object but changed my mind with Dr L’s testimony. Now, I suspect it was falling/being pushed backwards onto the steps in the garage. IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

RSBM

John was in a relationship with Karen. Of course his DNA was on her car - plus, it was proven it COULD have been from his niece or nephew. The key here that is totally ignored in this argument is that DNA was MISSING from the broken pieces on the lawn. No way blood DNA wouldn’t have been found if that was the thing that scratched his arm.

No the familial link was to do with the mitochondrial DNA in the hair, not the swabbing from the taillight. The swabbing was to collect biological evidence.

"On Monday, Karl Miyasako, an analyst from Bode Technology, testified regarding a hair sample taken from the vehicle. He explained that mitochondrial DNA testing “found a match to O’Keefe,” but added, “It could also match any one of his maternal relatives.”

https://www.livemint.com/news/us-news/karen-read-trial-suv-data-and-dna-evidence-spark-new-questions-in-boston-cop-john-o-keefe-s-death-11747775382114.html

 

[Tortoise]

She parked in the garage for hours after she dropped him off, the hair wouldn’t have stayed on the car.

In your opinion.

There was still a hair on the car after the snow melted. IMO

 

[nightowl1975]

<modsnip - quoted post was unrelated to this post>
Oh my. Is it just a coincidence that…

There’s not a single medical expert willing to testify that his injuries are consistent with being hit by a car?

There’s not a single expert willing to testify the damage to the vehicle is consistent with hitting JO?

There’s missing sally port video conveniently at the exact same time Dever told the FBI that officers were in there with the vehicle for a wildly long time?

There’s missing library footage? Missing ring footage? Missing former chief of police across the street footage?

There’s countless butt dials. And butt answers. By multiple people. All night long.

There’s multiple deleted searches and calls. That a ghost deleted I guess. Cause they all say they didn’t do it.

I could go on. And on. And on.

I can live with a coincidence or two. For either side. But this? No. It defies all logic IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

B&IBM
I really wish I could post that high quality image. You can see the vertical lines she must have been talking about. When searching for the pic, the low quality is all that came up for me until yesterday.

Ok moving on from the head injury -- so there was a body in the snow and a dust line, right? I didn't realize there were 2 "programs"

I saw the dateline when it aired and knew nothing zip nada about this case. I was just flipping channels one night. So all this time I assumed the dateline was called a body in the snow, but am I understanding correctly that a body in the snow is not the dateline episode? Are there any other programs besides these 2?

Karen Read trial: Here's a list of podcasts, movies, shows on the death of John O'Keefe

Karen Read's second trial in the death of John O'Keefe begins Tuesday. Here's what you can listen to and watch to catch up on the case.

www.patriotledger.com

They list all interviews, articles and documentaries related to the Karen Read case.

 

[lohrtabitha]

It would infuriate me if I was a juror. It's almost like she's begging them to google. Lol

Being so a young jury, it makes me wonder if they did?

 

[Leilei]

In your opinion.

There was still a hair on the car after the snow melted. IMO

Respectfully, the absence of any bodily fluids or other organic material anywhere on the Lexus makes it pretty clear cut that the car did not hit any living being, especially JOK. Very little blood in the snow where he was found, but head wounds bleed heavily.
One stubborn hair, and a little touch DNA, prove nothing.
BARD.
IMO.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Respectfully, IMO it might be more accurate to indicate that a hair was found or located on the car after the snow melted. IMO there also appears to be considerable supposition and debate as to that ‘evidence’ having been found as such. I also wonder if the ‘chain of custody’ records for that vehicle and ‘hair’ evidence parallels some of the other items IMO wherein suitable evidentiary chain of custody records were found to be IIUC lacking. IANAL. MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

John's DNA was on her taillight. Hair matching his mitochondrial DNA was on that same rear quarter panel.

Of course there was taillight damage, plus scratches and a small dent on her Lexus rear quarter panel. (testified to by Maureen Hartnett)

Taillight DNA results testified to by Andre Porto Mass State Police crime lab (trial day 17) and independently tested by Nick Bradford of Bode (trial day 18).

Nothing has been proven regarding a collision, until the jury verdict is in.

Karen doesn't have to provide alternative theories but it's a high risk strategy for the defence to think the jury doesn't want her explanation for 1162, given the SD card extractions for the timing of it. IMO.

PROCTOR PLANT, PROCTOR PLANT, PROCTOR PLANT! moo

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

In your opinion.

There was still a hair on the car after the snow melted. IMO

And that's not a problem to me. My girlfriend's hair is probably on my taillight. We go in and out of the trunk. It's not unfathomable. JMO

 

[missy1974]

In your opinion.

There was still a hair on the car after the snow melted. IMO

Well.. she clearly backed OUT of the garage at 5amish.. We would know if she went INTO the garage at 12:40ish, but that video went missing.

When the snow melted off her car, the hair would have gone with it IMO

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

As regards the hair, it would have been underneath all that frozen snow on the car when it was transported. And it was stuck on the car, that much was in evidence by the photograph of it before it was removed into evidence. It wasn't sitting loose on a horizontal ledge like the bumper, it was on a vertical panel of the car, after the snow had thawed. One can see the snow already on the car while it was parked outside Meadows at 8am that day.

I wouldn't expect to find John's DNA on broken edges of the taillight left in the housing, where it was swabbed. It's biological evidence of contact with the vehicle where it was damaged. If there was no DNA that would be something, but it was there so it is consistent with striking his arm, and it was a very strong result, even after being subjected to the elements.

MOO

So very funny that a single hair in a blizzard make it all the way to the Sallyport. It's hilarious. Makes me laugh so hard. Mo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Oh my. Is it just a coincidence that…

There’s not a single medical expert willing to testify that his injuries are consistent with being hit by a car?

There’s not a single expert willing to testify the damage to the vehicle is consistent with hitting JO?

There’s missing sally port video conveniently at the exact same time Dever told the FBI that officers were in there with the vehicle for a wildly long time?

There’s missing library footage? Missing ring footage? Missing former chief of police across the street footage?

There’s countless butt dials. And butt answers. By multiple people. All night long.

There’s multiple deleted searches and calls. That a ghost deleted I guess. Cause they all say they didn’t do it.

I could go on. And on. And on.

I can live with a coincidence or two. For either side. But this? No. It defies all logic IMO.

Preach wise owl, preach!!! Yes!

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

So very funny that a single hair in a blizzard make it all the way to the Sallyport. It's hilarious. Makes me laugh so hard. Mo

It sounds like a Pixar movie JMO

 

[missy1974]

Respectfully, IMO it might be more accurate to indicate that a hair was found or located on the car after the snow melted. IMO there also appears to be considerable supposition and debate as to that ‘evidence’ having been found as such. I also wonder if the ‘chain of custody’ records for that vehicle and ‘hair’ evidence parallels some of the other items IMO wherein suitable evidentiary chain of custody records were found to be IIUC lacking. IANAL. MOO

Do I dare mention the Red Solo Cups that sat in a fridge at the CPD for days? LOL

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Do I dare mention the Red Solo Cups that sat in a fridge at the CPD for days? LOL

Oh, you mean the ones where blood was swabbed from only one of those cups, and even those measly swabs were then never actually tested?! great police work there.

 

[Leilei]

Judge is on the bench.
Jury is good to go.
Back to deliberations.