VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #36 Retrial

[jepop]

But do we know KR did that, or is that just a claim that's been made?

She backed into him as she was leaving in the AM to look for John. Ring cam in evidence. Best to follow the trial rather than rumours. Jmo.

 

[ChasingKaty]

Do you know if there is a way to receive notice once the verdict is in if you aren't able to watch anything? I am at work but want to hear the verdict if I can. Thank you.

I've got Emily D Baker's Law Nerds app (free) and she is putting updates through that.

 

[ChasingKaty]

She backed into him as she was leaving in the AM to look for John. Ring cam in evidence. Best to follow the trial rather than rumours. Jmo.

I'm not following rumours? I'm asking how much of this was brought into the trial, because I obviously missed that part and I'm trying to discern the rumours and theories from the actual evidence presented in the trial.

 

[missy1974]

And the assumption is that is when the taillight got damaged? Was JOK's car ever checked for corresponding damage, or like said previously, it was never investigated?

It depends on who you ask.. haha

In the video, you can clearly see she bumped it enough to move the vehicle. This came out in the 1st trial I believe, the defense highlighted the tire and back of John's car and you can see it move.

She or the defense says, that it cracked the tail light (not smashed it to the extent we see in court).

There was no damage on John's vehicle, but ... as other posters posted.. the day after his death, the house had people coming and going, and for whatever reason, Jen McCabe added that even the 'car repairman was there' (odd lol)

Defense theory is... she cracked it bumping into the Traverse in the driveway... later showed Kerri and Jen.. picked out a few pieces and put them on the driveway (which were not there after the snow melted)... later when the car was in the Canton PD garage, it was smashed out by Proctor.. or Higgins.. of Berkowitz...

Hope that helps

 

[missy1974]

I'd be dragging things out to get free lunch. Obviously the CW isn't afraid to spend money on this trial so they probably can get surf and turf. JMO

I'd want a free ham sandwich after this ..

 

[ChasingKaty]

It depends on who you ask.. haha

In the video, you can clearly see she bumped it enough to move the vehicle. This came out in the 1st trial I believe, the defense highlighted the tire and back of John's car and you can see it move.

She or the defense says, that it cracked the tail light (not smashed it to the extent we see in court).

There was no damage on John's vehicle, but ... as other posters posted.. the day after his death, the house had people coming and going, and for whatever reason, Jen McCabe added that even the 'car repairman was there' (odd lol)

Defense theory is... she cracked it bumping into the Traverse in the driveway... later showed Kerri and Jen.. picked out a few pieces and put them on the driveway (which were not there after the snow melted)... later when the car was in the Canton PD garage, it was smashed out by Proctor.. or Higgins.. of Berkowitz...

Hope that helps

Thanks, this is a massive help.

 

[Leilei]

I've got Emily D Baker's Law Nerds app (free) and she is putting updates through that.

This works great so far
IMO.

 

[Leilei]

Per Court TV, lunch has been delivered to the jurors, but the deliberation clock is still ticking. They may be working through lunch.
IMO.

 

[missy1974]

Do you know if there is a way to receive notice once the verdict is in if you aren't able to watch anything? I am at work but want to hear the verdict if I can. Thank you.

if you have X..
follow and turn on notifications for Law and Crimes Verdict ... they ONLY post when a verdict is in on a case.

https://x.com/LawCrimeVerdict

 

[Wishbone]

That was never investigated. The other half of the defense's case centres on the non-investigation.

Arcca's testimony and testing to break the light diffuser in the taillight(as it was presented by the cw) is a real eye opener and completely destroys the cw case. Tests showed that the speed to break that diffuser would render it inoperable(and would cause considerable damage to JO's body) and that the taillight would not light up at all after destroying that component. However,we see the Lexus taillight still lighting up the morning JO was found lacking major injuries save for his head wound.

 

[cocomod]

But do we know KR did that, or is that just a claim that's been made?

Now that you have seen that video of the bump to John's vehicle, understand that in the first trial, one of the witnesses on the stand also said it was cracked a little, not blown out. Also, looking at the Lexus being loaded on the tow truck, it is obvious that there is still red and the light still works. The way that it was presented after LE took possession shows a completely destroyed light. Something stinks!

 

[jepop]

Thank you. I hadn't seen anything but I didn't watch the first trial so wasn't sure if it'd come up then.

No worries. There were other vehicles in front or near 34 F at the time. In line with the non-investigation into viable suspects, no one else's vehicle was ever inspected for damage. However the defense offered evidence that KR's tail light was only minimally damaged that night, and by implication and inference, the majority of the damage occurred after it was taken into MSP custody.

If minimal damage occurred at 34F, then we'll never know which other party's vehicle she may have backed into as none were ever
Inspected. I suspect one vehicle in particular (Higgins,,) who was introduced at this trial through video and other's testimony. There is also unknown glass on the bumper, and if it wasn't planted then I also think it's possible Higgins threw a glass as she was leaving. The prosecution has explained none of the anomalies in this sort of evidence and so much more is still up in the air. Jmo

 

[cocomod]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1934640047757889687

You know, this really "chaps my hide"! It wouldn't HURT the CW's case one tiny bit to use this form that would make it simple for the jury to understand. It doesn't matter if this one is "legal" by Massachusetts law, it would help the jury, the judge, and both sides if it were made clear.

 

[ChasingKaty]

Now that you have seen that video of the bump to John's vehicle, understand that in the first trial, one of the witnesses on the stand also said it was cracked a little, not blown out. Also, looking at the Lexus being loaded on the tow truck, it is obvious that there is still red and the light still works. The way that it was presented after LE took possession shows a completely destroyed light. Something stinks!

Yeah I'd seen the video of the red taillight looking still fairly intact, when if what the prosecution was saying it should have been totally destroyed by then and I didn't understand how that could be.

 

[arielilane]

Honestly I expected better, but when you dont have much this is what the jury gets.
Yes, I am very aware that closing statements are not evidence.

-- Interesting, that he questions the CW experts' testimony given defense's expert's testimony.

-- Defense's witness never measured around the flag pole, where John's lifeless body found. Iirc, measurements were done around the front of the house/garage area only.

-- KR told us John never wore a coat. That John took her drink [with him] from the glass holder in her Lexus. John's Nike shoe was found in the snow. The other shoe stayed on his foot when he was taken to emergency care that fateful morning.

-- The jurors will remember these details in my honest opinion.


Attorney Jackson's closing statement


timestamp 1:39:41
you might ask yourself would an expert actually say something he knows not to be true would an expert
actually say something he knows is not supported by fact would an expert shade the truth




timestamp 1:41:42
reasonable doubt about John's location so should you john O'Keefe was inside and the phone
battery temperature further proves it this is not speculation this is science and it's irrefutable it tells us that he
was laying he was not laying outside in the cold he was inside somewhere a little bit warmer

Like a basement or a garage



timestamp 1:49:11
consistent with a punch no coat in the freezing cold not dressed for outside dressed for inside and one shoe on I
wonder where the other shoe could be i don't know maybe in the house 30 ft away
and then you find a broken and shattered drinking glass next to him the type of glass that you might find I don't know
let me think about this in a kitchen in a house 30 feet away

 

[LittleSeaTree]

Respectfully, the absence of any bodily fluids or other organic material anywhere on the Lexus makes it pretty clear cut that the car did not hit any living being, especially JOK. Very little blood in the snow where he was found, but head wounds bleed heavily.
One stubborn hair, and a little touch DNA, prove nothing.
BARD.
IMO.

Also, I can’t stop thinking that it was ONE hair. Not a second, third, forth popped off of his head? How very independent of it and stubborn indeed.

 

[ChasingKaty]

Also, I can’t stop thinking that it was ONE hair. Not a second, third, forth popped off of his head? How very independent of it and stubborn indeed.

I didn't realise it was literally one hair!!

 

[Leilei]

I didn't realise it was literally one hair!!

We named it "The Little Hair That Could" in trial one.

 

[ChasingKaty]

Also, I had a friend staying with me last week who knew nothing about this last week and isn't really a true crime follower but she watched the trial with me. Just had a text from her asking "why the heck am I on verdictwatch???" I've sucked in another one!! haha

 

[cocomod]

Yeah I'd seen the video of the red taillight looking still fairly intact, when if what the prosecution was saying it should have been totally destroyed by then and I didn't understand how that could be.

That is why we are all upset about the video at the sallyport. It clearly shows Proctor near that taillight when they tried to claim he never did. It also shows a toolbox near it at one point. It is crazy that video from the sallyport mysteriously disappeared when the Lexus first arrived. Clearly again, something stinks in the LE's "quest" to frame to investigate this and get true justice for John.