MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #5

[Protože]

...It's crazy to me, the defense for Karen Read appear to have actively made more effort to investigate how Officer John O'Keefe died than the Canton Police, Massachusetts State police and Norfolk County District Attorney's office combined! ...

This is where I'm at. And, I'm still on the fence if she did it. The injuries confuse me the most (for any theory, whether she did it, or it was the conspiracy). But, if she did it and she gets off (including for manslaughter), that would be unfortunate. But, it seems thus far that is the direction the trial seems to be going. JMO.

As far as "hos long to die in cold" at 2:27 AM, I still don't understand the whole WAL file material, and probably never will. But, is there a context for this? Like, were there one billion other predictive questions which were saved on JM's mobile at 2:27 AM on 29 January 2022, along with this highlighted one, for example? Will it ever be possible for someone like myself to understand an explanation for this other than JM actually googling that at 2:27 AM?

 

[keek]

When you aren't watching the trial (when it's not on) your mind goes to big pictures, behaviors that don't seem to make common human nature. Plenty here we know. I just get irritated about WHAT would of the scene of been like if KR wasn't there, found him herself. Who would of been the first? Maybe a neighbor walking their dog, noticing, when they walk that route daily. Would the cops taken the proper care of the scene? Would they DEF gone running and banging on THAT HOUSE? Searched around? See if any signs of violence? Occupants ok? Not of been distracted, EMT's that is by the shouting? JMc was not concerned about in the house at that moment, she hung around outside. It was HER SISTER'S HOUSE. She knew it was JO, knew he had been expected that night and assumed he didn't show up she said. Karen had already told her her version, so maybe it's that. (I'm saying this is tho JMc had no part in this, but she knew plenty, calling JO over and over at hours before he was found, but not letting go to his voicemail. then deleting them and lieing, getting caught in that, tho she said they're wrong). She called her sister at an unusual time for this 'discovery' too, I believe before JO was discovered. I still think KR gave them all the perfect set up to the story they have, 'no idea', never came in, KR said she HIT HIM.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

When you aren't watching the trial (when it's not on) your mind goes to big pictures, behaviors that don't seem to make common human nature. Plenty here we know. I just get irritated about WHAT would have the scene of been like if KR wasn't there, found him herself. Who would have been the first? Maybe a neighbor walking their dog, noticing, when they walk that route daily. Would the cops taken the proper care of the scene? Would they DEF gone running and banging on THAT HOUSE? Searched around? See if any signs of violence? Occupants ok? Not of been distracted, EMT's that is by the shouting? JMc was not concerned about in the house at that moment, she hung around outside. It was HER SISTER'S HOUSE. She knew it was JO, knew he had been expected that night and assumed he didn't show up she said. Karen had already told her her version, so maybe it's that. (I'm saying this is tho JMc had no part in this, but she knew plenty, calling JO over and over at hours before he was found, but not letting go to his voicemail. then deleting them and lieing, getting caught in that, tho she said they're wrong). She called her sister at an unusual time for this 'discovery' too, I believe before JO was discovered. I still think KR gave them all the perfect set up to the story they have, 'no idea', never came in, KR said she HIT HIM.

And help me out here, aren’t there some references that KR had said something like that in the form of asking a question: ‘Did I hit him?’

IIRC both have been given on different occasions. What testimony or evidence speaks to this? Thanks in advance. MOO

 

[keek]

When you aren't watching the trial (when it's not on) your mind goes to big pictures, behaviors that don't seem to make common human nature. Plenty here we know. I just get irritated about WHAT would of the scene of been like if KR wasn't there, found him herself. Who would of been the first? Maybe a neighbor walking their dog, noticing, when they walk that route daily. Would the cops taken the proper care of the scene? Would they DEF gone running and banging on THAT HOUSE? Searched around? See if any signs of violence? Occupants ok? Not of been distracted, EMT's that is by the shouting? JMc was not concerned about in the house at that moment, she hung around outside. It was HER SISTER'S HOUSE. She knew it was JO, knew he had been expected that night and assumed he didn't show up she said. Karen had already told her her version, so maybe it's that. (I'm saying this is tho JMc had no part in this, but she knew plenty, calling JO over and over at hours before he was found, but not letting go to his voicemail. then deleting them and lieing, getting caught in that, tho she said they're wrong). She called her sister at an unusual time for this 'discovery' too, I believe before JO was discovered. I still think KR gave them all the perfect set up to the story they have, 'no idea', never came in, KR said she HIT HIM.

JMc MUST of been so relieved to tell Alberts who then got 'the players' together, with the FABULOUS news. ALL SET, KR just said in front of responders she prob hit him. THEN the tip came that K did not do it and who did. I remember MY surprise at the time that KR had gotten defense atty's and was going to fight that. I thought, AT THE TIME, well it's pretty clear she hit him, in a drunken erratic driving move.

 

[keek]

And help me out here, aren’t there some references that KR had said something like that in the form of asking a question: ‘Did I hit him?’

IIRC both have been given on different occasions. What testimony or evidence speaks to this? Thanks in advance. MOO

JMc and K.R were with her on the ride to Fairview and she had asked them or talking out loud of course, maybe I hit him, maybe a plow. Once there, the big news in this is that KR was saying, I hit him, did I hit him. Jen Mc said on the stand that KR said, I HIT HIM and I think she said it three times to the lawyer/jury. (Jen Mc that is). It's a question if she was saying, DID I hit him or I hit him. KR thought she had to have due to where he was and the broken 'hole' in her rear light, it was seen and pointed out by her to the two women with her at some point. Kerry Roberts who was there and saw the hole testified it was a hole, not all smashed out I believe.

 

[shotgun09]

I can go with the theory of the players at 34 Fairview, after realizing they had the ultimate 'Oh chit' moment, and JOK was seriously and probably mortally wounded by ( you pick who/how), doing the 'If we call 911, JOK talks if he recovers...and we can't have that'. So they come up with " Let's dump his body on the front lawn, close to the street. It's a blizzard outside. The snow will cover him, and no one will know. Maybe a plow will even get to him." And, in their obliterated state, they agree. ????? They have secret butt dials at 2:22 am, probably confirming this plan. Jen McCabe isn't so sure, has a little doubt about the plan and Google searches 'Hos long to die in cold' at 2:27.
Then....miracle of miracles, the plan completely flips when poor Karen Read asks for help from JMC to find John.. KR is frantic, still under the influence, and blurting out questions and statements about finding him. Jen concocts the new improved story, the family/friend pow wow ensues, and we have the beginning of a frame job. Call Higgins, call Uncle Kevin, rally the Troopahs !

Yep, I can see it.

 

[keek]

I can go with the theory of the players at 34 Fairview, after realizing they had the ultimate 'Oh chit' moment, and JOK was seriously and probably mortally wounded by ( you pick who/how), doing the 'If we call 911, JOK talks if he recovers...and we can't have that'. So they come up with " Let's dump his body on the front lawn, close to the street. It's a blizzard outside. The snow will cover him, and no one will know. Maybe a plow will even get to him." And, in their obliterated state, they agree. ????? They have secret butt dials at 2:22 am, probably confirming this plan. Jen McCabe isn't so sure, has a little doubt about the plan and Google searches 'Hos long to die in cold' at 2:27.
Then....miracle of miracles, the plan completely flips when poor Karen Read asks for help from JMC to find John.. KR is frantic, still under the influence, and blurting out questions and statements about finding him. Jen concocts the new improved story, the family/friend pow wow ensues, and we have the beginning of a frame job. Call Higgins, call Uncle Kevin, rally the Troopahs !

Yep, I can see it.

Can't have JO talking, again. All so unthinkable that this is easily, as I think too, it.

 

[BrownRice]

I can go with the theory of the players at 34 Fairview, after realizing they had the ultimate 'Oh chit' moment, and JOK was seriously and probably mortally wounded by ( you pick who/how), doing the 'If we call 911, JOK talks if he recovers...and we can't have that'. So they come up with " Let's dump his body on the front lawn, close to the street. It's a blizzard outside. The snow will cover him, and no one will know. Maybe a plow will even get to him." And, in their obliterated state, they agree. ????? They have secret butt dials at 2:22 am, probably confirming this plan. Jen McCabe isn't so sure, has a little doubt about the plan and Google searches 'Hos long to die in cold' at 2:27.
Then....miracle of miracles, the plan completely flips when poor Karen Read asks for help from JMC to find John.. KR is frantic, still under the influence, and blurting out questions and statements about finding him. Jen concocts the new improved story, the family/friend pow wow ensues, and we have the beginning of a frame job. Call Higgins, call Uncle Kevin, rally the Troopahs !

Yep, I can see it.

One thing that I can’t forget is how BA said on the stand that he didn’t go outside to check on JOK, because he didn’t see much of a reason ( or something like that). JOK is not only a friend (or acquaintance?) BUT HE IS A FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

BA and BH have no issue driving 4 hrs ea way to the funeral of a LE officer they NEVER MET yet BA can’t simply walk outside to check on/provide comfort/pay respects to a law enforcement officer, whom he knows, who is dying in his front yard.

 

[keek]

One thing that I can’t forget is how BA said on the stand that he didn’t go outside to check on JOK, because he didn’t see much of a reason ( or something like that). JOK is not only a friend (or acquaintance?) BUT HE IS A FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

BA and BH have no issue driving 4 hrs ea way to the funeral of a LE officer they NEVER MET yet BA can’t simply walk outside to check on/provide comfort/pay respects to a law enforcement officer, whom he knows, who is dying in his front yard.

He said he didn't want to interfere with the investigation.. OMGGGGGG. Meanwhile, his sister in law/K. Roberts were out there. LOSER. ROTTEN.

 

[keek]

We know there is so many bizarre comments said, never mind behaviors. It was eerie and odd to me that KR either called or texted Higgins and just 'said' John's dead'. Higgins did not respond as not getting involved with her stuff and sounds like he def already KNEW and knew plenty. I'd of said, John died, or i found John and he died, he was outside Alberts yard. THINGS. It sounds like that is all she wrote, JOHN'S DEAD.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Fairview is a 2 way street with a double yellow center line

The three point turn was dropped by the CW many months ago. They will now claim she backed into him at 24 mph.

That's good to know that they dropped the 3 point. Wouldn't air bags have deployed at 24 mph? There's no way at that speed that significant damage wouldn't have shown up on her vehicle. moo

 

[waldojabba]

So what did having the kids testify do for the prosecution?
Reading the tweets the relationships sound pretty normal to me.
Sometimes in real life people yell and people get mad at kids and kids get mad at them. Couples fight. Say things they don’t mean.
Karen spend a lot of time with the two kids the past two years. She developed a bond with them and there they sit on the stand calling her the “ defendant”.
They did not choose to call Karen that word themselves.
Those innocent children were weaponized and used for the purpose of the prosecution. It is so distasteful, damaging and twisted.
Shame on these people.
JMO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

He said he didn't want to interfere with the investigation.. OMGGGGGG. Meanwhile, his sister in law/K. Roberts were out there. LOSER. ROTTEN.

I agree! His actions make no sense, and it was pretty rotten of him.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Yes.

View attachment 506356

https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/Karen%20Read%20Statement%20of%20Case.pdf

They can't even back up what it is in the charging document. Doesn't even look like they are going to try on that point.

 

[nighttimesleuth]

I was just telling my husband about this case.
He’s never heard of it and I didn’t let on my opinion. I only got as far as describing how KR went to JMc’s the next morning to have her help search. He said “oh did JMc and MMc leave before KR dropped JOK off?”

I said “no, much later”.

He said “oh well I think everyone is lying then because if KR hit JOK then clearly everyone would see him when leaving the party”.

I only got as far as laying out the evening into the morning.

I didn’t even get to the butt dials, rehomed phones, homes, and dog, missing video, etc

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The jury has now had three witnesses state KR's alcohol level.

Note: KR has never disputed the fact that she was drinking.
See also 40 other witness testimonies who confirmed the same.

Good grief, Lally ! Show this jury some proof that KR is guilty as claimed of hitting JOK with her vehicle.

He would if he had any. moo

 

[ch_13]

So what did having the kids testify do for the prosecution?
Reading the tweets the relationships sound pretty normal to me.
Sometimes in real life people yell and people get mad at kids and kids get mad at them. Couples fight. Say things they don’t mean.
Karen spend a lot of time with the two kids the past two years. She developed a bond with them and there they sit on the stand calling her the “ defendant”.
They did not choose to call Karen that word themselves.
Those innocent children were weaponized and used for the purpose of the prosecution. It is so distasteful, damaging and twisted.
Shame on these people.

Aside from the morality of calling the children to the stand, I don't think having John's niece and nephew refer to Karen as "the defendant" is good strategy on the part of the prosecutor. It just makes it seem as if the kids were coached and raises the question what else were they told to say.

Especially since most of the Albert/McCabe clan all chose to use the same term to refer to KR. If I recall JO's brother and SIL just referred to her as Karen.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Anyone else notice that Lally pronounces library as "lieberry"?

I mean, if the shoe fits....

 

[keek]

Anyone else notice that Lally pronounces library as "lieberry"?

I mean, if the shoe fits....

Sttoppppppppppppppppp. haha. I swore I heard that at one point, one day and I said. no, I wasn't listening right.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Sttoppppppppppppppppp. haha. I swore I heard that at one point, one day and I said. no, I wasn't listening right.

LOL. I wonder maybe if it is librian? And that is not librarian. /sarc

MOO