MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #5

[jepop]

I don't know all that much about how this works, but if I search something on my phone and turn off my phone leaving the application open when I turn the phone back on everything I did earlier is gone. In JM's testimony Lally said that at some point after her basketball search she turned her phone off and she agreed. Wouldn't her 2:27 search for dying in the cold be archived at that point and a matter of record. If I leave the application open and don't turn off my phone then it will still be there.
Anybody know what I'm trying to ask? All the talk about tabs being left open and such are confusing because if I turn off my phone with the tab open the thing is gone when I turn it back on and I have to start a new search. Any input would be appreciated. Also, she would have had to turn her phone back on sometime later in the very early morning hours in order to receive a call from KR. Did she sleep at all that night? The part about her turning off her phone is at about 17:15 minutes on this video.

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Whoa, excellent spot! Only jeeze I don't think defense picked up on this, at least I don't recall it in their cross and it is very significant given the explanation suggested by Lally on redirect. When defense calls their phone forensics witness are they permittted to refer to JMcs testimony already given ie she confirmed she switched the phone off, OR can she be recalled by defense if testimony by phone tech confirms that windows are auto closed when a phone is turned off? (new information which is relevant to JMcs earlier testimony)? Moo

 

[Wishbone]

Whoa, excellent spot! Only jeeze I don't think defense picked up on this, at least I don't recall it in their cross and it is very significant given the explanation suggested by Lally on redirect. When defense calls their phone forensics witness are they permittted to refer to JMcs testimony already given ie she confirmed she switched the phone off, OR can she be recalled by defense if testimony by phone tech confirms that windows are auto closed when a phone is turned off? (new information which is relevant to JMcs earlier testimony)? Moo

Hopefully all JM's testimony involving the phone search will be gone over with a fine tooth comb before the defense experts testify. I'm still not clear on how iphones and safari work but have found that there are various settings to change how it closes tabs. I would hope defense knows she agreed she turned her phone off, but if makes a difference, I just don't know. I do find it interesting that she turned it back on very early and I get the feeling she didn't sleep that night for reasons a lot of us are aware of.....JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I don't know all that much about how this works, but if I search something on my phone and turn off my phone leaving the application open when I turn the phone back on everything I did earlier is gone. In JM's testimony Lally said that at some point after her basketball search she turned her phone off and she agreed. Wouldn't her 2:27 search for dying in the cold be archived at that point and a matter of record. If I leave the application open and don't turn off my phone then it will still be there.
Anybody know what I'm trying to ask? All the talk about tabs being left open and such are confusing because if I turn off my phone with the tab open the thing is gone when I turn it back on and I have to start a new search. Any input would be appreciated. Also, she would have had to turn her phone back on sometime later in the very early morning hours in order to receive a call from KR. Did she sleep at all that night? The part about her turning off her phone is at about 17:15 minutes on this video.

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It is a good question. I assume to refresh the search, you have to close all previously opened browsers pages and then open a new one and search from there. Chrome shows that you have opened pages. With Safari, I have to check. Does switching the phone off refresh them? Not so sure; when I switch it back on, I may still see several Google pages on the side. Sometimes you can view your previous Google search. If it started with “why”, type “why” and the search might pop up. Regardless of the case - no device is great at self-cleaning. The cache needs to be cleaned, too. Sometimes Android offers to “optimize” the function and closes some extra pages itself, but never fully. (I have a question about VPN, too, everyone tells that it shouldn’t change anything in browsing but IRL it changes a lot.)

 

[jepop]

I think if a phone (or a laptop( is actually powered off as in switched off, the system closes everything down including search windows. That's my experience anyway but no expert!

 

[HarmonyE.]

I wrote about the CD thing previously, but IMO it's just inept lawyering by Lally. I think he was just trying to lay foundation and have the witness say that he had previously seen the videos Lally was going to display on the screen. But Lally failed to adequately prep the witness and the confusing question made the witness think he was asking about the CD that the witness gave to Proctor, not the CD that he previously reviewed with the prosecution team.

As far what happened to the CD that was given to Proctor, that's a very good question. I would think that it would be kept securely in an evidence locker. I'm sure that question (and many others) will be brought up if/when Proctor testifies.

Lally's done a poor job of prepping witnesses throughout the entire trial (he's clearly just not into this trial, IMO) but this one was pretty embarrassing. The witness prepared a disc of of the library footage in a timely manner and handed it over as requested. But on the stand, Lally hands him an entirely different disc and ask him to authenticate it!

The defense has claimed all along that the video they have seen is missing the footage from the time frame Karen would have been driving by the library. It's a motion activated camera, so arguably there is no way to prove Karen drove by at all instead of seeking an alternate route to 1 Meadows. However, they do have other footage of her driving in that direction, although her taillight cannot be seen in those videos. Not in evidence yet, but these locations indicate she would have driven by the library at a specific time. (Cassie's Corner Store and Pequitside Farm)

But then you have a witness on the stand emphatically say that was not the same video he turned in. Incredible, and more fodder for the defense's claims that Michael Proctor repeatedly tampered with evidence to frame Read.

I'm sure if Proctor doesn't testify, some other Statie will get on the stand and say explain that was just a duplicate copy they mislabeled. So where's the original, Lally?

 

[Universecalling]

Does anyone know the jury demographics?
TIA

 

[MyJoey]

I’m puzzled why they even prosecuted KR knowing all this information would come out.

 

[Wishbone]

This is another interesting tidbit. The medical examiner couldn't determine the manner of death, but said it wasn't from a fight. Since when does a medical examiner tell you how the victim didn't die. The more I follow this case the more disgusted I become. JMO

Jan. 31, 2022
An autopsy is conducted by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. "The doctor opined that the extensive injuries to his head likely rendered Mr. O'Keefe incapacitated. The doctor further opined that upon viewing Mr. O'Keefe's injuries and her examination of the body, she observed no signs of Mr. O'Keefe being involved in any type of physical altercation or fight."
Prosecution reveals alleged timeline in death of police officer

The medical examiner who performed an autopsy on Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe ruled the manner of his death “could not be determined,” according to O’Keefe’s death certificate obtained by 25 Investigates.

25 Investigates: Manner of Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe’s death never determined

Manner of death can be classified 5 different ways on a death certificate including accident and homicide.

www.yahoo.com

 

[HarmonyE.]

I’m puzzled why they even prosecuted KR knowing all this information would come out.

Politics. Norfolk District attorney Michael Morrissey made a bizarre recorded statement last year that was played in all the Boston news outlets. He personally vouched for the Alberts, the McCabes and said that Michael Proctor didn't know anyone and was not conflicted in any way. Basically said while Read was technically innocent until proven guilty, she'd be proven guilty so never mind that innocence part.

It was unprecedented. And even this mostly pro-prosecution Judge Cannone found that his statement "crossed the line of permissible extrajudicial statements by a prosecutor,”

He's ramming this through whether Lally likes it or not.

 

[shotgun09]

This is another interesting tidbit. The medical examiner couldn't determine the manner of death, but said it wasn't from a fight. Since when does a medical examiner tell you how the victim didn't die. The more I follow this case the more disgusted I become. JMO

Jan. 31, 2022
An autopsy is conducted by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. "The doctor opined that the extensive injuries to his head likely rendered Mr. O'Keefe incapacitated. The doctor further opined that upon viewing Mr. O'Keefe's injuries and her examination of the body, she observed no signs of Mr. O'Keefe being involved in any type of physical altercation or fight."
Prosecution reveals alleged timeline in death of police officer

The medical examiner who performed an autopsy on Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe ruled the manner of his death “could not be determined,” according to O’Keefe’s death certificate obtained by 25 Investigates.

25 Investigates: Manner of Boston Police Officer John O’Keefe’s death never determined

Manner of death can be classified 5 different ways on a death certificate including accident and homicide.

www.yahoo.com

B and UBM
Why, it's as if.....someone wanted ( encouraged ) the ME to say that ! ??!!

 

[Seattle1]

I don't know all that much about how this works, but if I search something on my phone and turn off my phone leaving the application open when I turn the phone back on everything I did earlier is gone. In JM's testimony Lally said that at some point after her basketball search she turned her phone off and she agreed. Wouldn't her 2:27 search for dying in the cold be archived at that point and a matter of record. If I leave the application open and don't turn off my phone then it will still be there.
Anybody know what I'm trying to ask? All the talk about tabs being left open and such are confusing because if I turn off my phone with the tab open the thing is gone when I turn it back on and I have to start a new search. Any input would be appreciated. Also, she would have had to turn her phone back on sometime later in the very early morning hours in order to receive a call from KR. Did she sleep at all that night? The part about her turning off her phone is at about 17:15 minutes on this video.

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I believe OP is stating what we all experience to be true: powering off your phone closes the apps, including the browser, and archives your browsing history.

IMO, you can't claim you turned your phone off (i.e., powered down) but then claim the recorded 2:27 AM browser search (deleted by user per Celebrite report), actually occurred hours later or around 6:30 AM.

I'll attempt to clarify: based on my limited experience, I think if you abandon Safari to use another application (but leave Safari open in the background), and later return to the abandoned Safari search, I think it might be possible that the timestamp in Safari may not be in real time-- if the function "Background App Refresh" in the user's phone settings are NOT ENABLED.

In other words, I think if phone remained powered, and the user returned to the abandoned app (such as Safari) and inputs new search info and manually refreshes the search app, Safari would once again begin reporting in real time. I hope this post makes sense.

What does the iOS Background App Refresh … - Apple Community

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Background App Refresh must be enabled in your iOS device for anything to occur in the background (while the app is not on the foreground / or if the device is locked). To enable this, just go to Settings -> General. Next, click on Background App Refresh.

 

[Wishbone]

I believe OP is stating what we all experience to be true: powering off your phone closes the apps, including the browser, and archives your browsing history.

IMO, you can't claim you turned your phone off (i.e., powered down) but then claim the recorded 2:27 AM browser search (deleted by user per Celebrite report), actually occurred hours later or around 6:30 AM.

I'll attempt to clarify: based on my limited experience, I think if you abandon Safari to use another application (but leave Safari open in the background), and later return to the abandoned Safari search, I think it might be possible that the timestamp in Safari may not be in real time-- if the function "Background App Refresh" in the user's phone settings are NOT ENABLED.

In other words, I think if phone remained powered, and the user returned to the abandoned app (such as Safari) and inputs new search info and manually refreshes the search app, Safari would once again begin reporting in real time. I hope this post makes sense.

What does the iOS Background App Refresh … - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

Background App Refresh must be enabled in your iOS device for anything to occur in the background (while the app is not on the foreground / or if the device is locked). To enable this, just go to Settings -> General. Next, click on Background App Refresh.

I would love it if it were that simple, but doubt it will be. The settings in iphones allow users to set their preferences for closing tabs and I'm not sure how it applies if the phone is powered off and then on again.Usually if you power off your phone then poof the tab is gone and a new one needs opened when you power your phone back on. If that's the case, then the 2:27 search for “hos long to die in cold” stands on it own and subsequent searches are not related to that search or that original tab which supposedly(JM's words) was just a search about basketball and had nothing to do with dying in the cold. I'll be waiting to see what the experts say and will be lucky if I understand their explanations. JMO

 

[BrownRice]

My bug bare is...

can every single...witness....expert.....investigator...council ....be lyin.

Just because its got faulty areas DOES NOT been KR is innocent.

Does not mean plenty of facts are not there in plain sight stacking up against her.

Her words and actions are still at the forefront.
Above everyone else's actions and words.

Karens are the most important and they just get dismissed instead of scrutinised.

moo

BBM This is where I am. Seems like the experts/city workers etc are credible, don’t appear to be lying. But why does it seem every Albert, McCabe, Higgins lied like crazy AND didn’t they all destroy/reset their phones? IMO the defense really poked holes in their stories and they all seemed very un reliable and untrustworthy

But I still don’t find it incomprehensible that KR did this. She obviously had jealousy issues related to Aruba that she kept talking about. I could see them arguing and an accident happened, but kr freaked out and left. But this doesn’t explain Jen Mc’s Google search at 2:27 am.

 

[HarmonyE.]

But I still don’t find it incomprehensible that KR did this. She obviously had jealousy issues related to Aruba that she kept talking about. I could see them arguing and an accident happened, but kr freaked out and left. But this doesn’t explain Jen Mc’s Google search at 2:27 am.

It's not incomprehensible that people get mad and relationships sour. 99.9999% of the time this does not result in women killing men. So rare true crime stories and Lifetime movies aside, it's generally not a thing.

Jen's search and all of the rest of the lying and very odd behavior by everyone else aside, it's incomprehensible to me that with all the comings and goings in front of that house, no one saw a human lying in the front yard. Including a snow plow driver whose very job requires him to looking out to the side of the road to make sure he doesn't hit mailboxes or portable basketball hoops.

It's incomprehensible to me that a person could be hit so hard by an SUV that he's flung 10 - 12 feet sideways and his body shatters a taillight into at least 45 pieces but causes zero body damage to the vehicle. Nor can I come up with a single reason why the victim's arm had lacerations up and down one arm as they cannot be explained by contact with the lawn, the road, or a vehicle.

It's incomprehensible to me that the Canton police didn't see a single taillight fragment when they leaf blew the area when there was just a couple of inches of blowing snow, and yet fragments kept "turning up" days later.

It's incomprehensible to me that a friend of the Alberts was allowed to be the lead state investigator on this case and that he so badly handled the situation - and the evidence - that the prosecution may opt not to even call him to the stand.

Sorry, but in light of these things and many more, I find the Aruba evidence to be a joke substituting for actual evidence against Read.

 

[Seattle1]

I would love it if it were that simple, but doubt it will be. The settings in iphones allow users to set their preferences for closing tabs and I'm not sure how it applies if the phone is powered off and then on again.Usually if you power off your phone then poof the tab is gone and a new one needs opened when you power your phone back on. If that's the case, then the 2:27 search for “hos long to die in cold” stands on it own and subsequent searches are not related to that search or that original tab which supposedly(JM's words) was just a search about basketball and had nothing to do with dying in the cold. I'll be waiting to see what the experts say and will be lucky if I understand their explanations. JMO

I think it may also depend on the date/model of the user's iPhone. If an older model, perhaps the witness was dishonest about turning off their phone to appear they were at rest and/or asleep, and therefore not engaged in any activity.

If a newer phone, specific to Safari browser which is germane to Apple, I think the concept is the same as my example of enable/disable "app refresh" where the user selects whether or not to close the Safari tab manually, or the time to close the Safari Tab (after one day, week, month). JMO

 

[LvsAMystry]

I think this is the best accident reconstruction video I’ve see.

https://x.com/losa_18/status/1796926410029670910?s=46&t=CYzcWMcOJFtHVUA6GR9Snw

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

I think this is the best accident reconstruction video I’ve see.

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Thanks for the video! It was really helpful.

It also makes me question that wouldn’t at least one of his legs been broken or fractured if this was how he was hit? I also wonder too how will the prosecution explain the gash on the top of his head and above his eye or if Higgins was parked in front of the mailbox how is it that he didn’t see JO who wouldn’t have been covered with that much snow at the time he left?

I also wonder why JMcA and MA could see the wave-like pattern on the street left by tire impressions but they couldn’t see JO despite his shirt was unfortunately covered in blood, which could have stuck out more in the white snow?

As the video showed, he wasn’t far from the flag pole or fire hydrant which witnesses eyes already seemed drawn towards, according to their testimonies, so I wonder how could JO go unnoticed for so long if he was hit by KR’s car around 12:45?

 

[HarmonyE.]

I think this is the best accident reconstruction video I’ve see.

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Beyond the injuries not matching (arm lacerations, no damage below the neck) I'd also add that the road curves where Karen allegedly backed up at 24 mph. A feat I couldn't accomplish stone cold sober in daylight.

 

[kae27]

There are no winners here as in most cases. Just a lot of imperfect people mostly trying to live a good life for themselves ( legally or illegal or straddling the two) but then something goes awry ( I lean towards the sucker punch theory with no intent to kill just send a message) and then choices are made that get us to where we are now.
Life in a nutshell. The sum of our choices.

RSBM. I just wanted to say that, in the midst of a beautifully written post, this stood out to me as particularly eloquent and resonated deeply. Thanks for your post.

 

[MyJoey]

I was just thinking about JO’s phone, if it showed movement up till 12:45 or whatever time the accident occurred….then stops till morning when he’s found (with the phone under him). Wouldn’t that rule out his body being moved.