MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #5

[HarmonyE.]

I was just thinking about JO’s phone, if it showed movement up till 12:45 or whatever time the accident occurred….then stops till morning when he’s found (with the phone under him). Wouldn’t that rule out his body being moved.

We don't know what happened to the phone that morning when his body was found. His phone was supposedly found under his body - which is strange - but who found it and who that person gave it to is unclear. Was it off? Was it on? If it was off, was it manually turned off by someone that night, or is it possible the cold could have shut it down?

The defense says the Health app on his phone indicates he went up and/or down three flights of stairs after arriving at Fairview. And then nothing until later in the morning, after John was dead.

So lots of questions still, but Higgins and BA aren't dummies and if they found John's phone after he stopped moving that night (thanks to Jen's many "butt dials"?) they well may have turned it off. Location data is disabled when a phone is not on. I'm guessing it can be determined when a phone is shut off? I don't know.

 

[Seattle1]

I was just thinking about JO’s phone, if it showed movement up till 12:45 or whatever time the accident occurred….then stops till morning when he’s found (with the phone under him). Wouldn’t that rule out his body being moved.

I'm not sure -- I'm recalling the last recorded movement was JO climbing the stairs.

 

[Seattle1]

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[pavlovsdaughter]

I think it may also depend on the date/model of the user's iPhone. If an older model, perhaps the witness was dishonest about turning off their phone to appear they were at rest and/or asleep, and therefore not engaged in any activity.

I think this whole line of questioning was really poorly handled by Lally. For how verbose he is he often uses pretty imprecise language. It wasn’t clear to me if he intended to ask Jen if she actually powered her phone off, or if she just clicked the screen off for bed. Hopefully the Cellebrite experts can clear this up.

 

[Lilbirdie]

This case is so baffling.

The two most convincing arguments to me for KR not hitting him are:
1. FBI report that JO injuries were not consistent with being hit by SUV.
2. 2:27am Google search by JMc.

However, I just can’t believe that if something went down in the house that the best plan they came up with was to leave a dead man on their front lawn and go to bed. Which makes me think they didn’t know he was dead when they went to bed. But then I'm back to the 2:27am google search and scratching my head.

I think I’m left to believe that KR didn’t hit him and he didn’t die in the house but something happened outside that killed him that only a few partygoers knew about.

 

[Wishbone]

I think this whole line of questioning was really poorly handled by Lally. For how verbose he is he often uses pretty imprecise language. It wasn’t clear to me if he intended to ask Jen if she actually powered her phone off, or if she just clicked the screen off for bed. Hopefully the Cellebrite experts can clear this up.

“At some point you turned off your phone.” Those are the words Lally used. Personally, I would not ask someone if they powered off their phone, but would simply say turned off. But, the question is did she really turn it off, I have my doubts about that. She would have had to turn it back on in order to receive the call from KR just a few hours later. Maybe the experts will clear things up....JMO

 

[nodamselindistress]

Just curious here, I rarely power off my phone. Is this a common practice that most people DO power off their phones at night?

ETA: It seems to me that parents, especially, would not power off their phones at night in case their kids call and need help. I had aging parents and would not power off for the same reason.

 

[iamshadow21]

Just curious here, I rarely power off my phone. Is this a common practice that most people DO power off their phones at night?

ETA: It seems to me that parents, especially, would not power off their phones at night in case their kids call and need help. I had aging parents and would not power off for the same reason.

I do. Every night. Mainly because my last phone there was something that played an alert noise at all hours and I could never find out what it was or why, and it did it even though I had all noises turned off, but still! But now it's a habit. Off when I go to sleep, on when I wake.

 

[ch_13]

I think this whole line of questioning was really poorly handled by Lally. For how verbose he is he often uses pretty imprecise language. It wasn’t clear to me if he intended to ask Jen if she actually powered her phone off, or if she just clicked the screen off for bed. Hopefully the Cellebrite experts can clear this up.

Lally is so inept at asking questions it would be funny if the stakes weren't so high. (Actually it's still pretty amusing.)

But I agree, on an iPhone you lock the screen and make it go dark by clicking the right-side button. I think that's what Lally meant by turning the phone off.

As opposed to actually powering the phone off, where you have to hold down both the right-side button and the volume button simultaneously for a couple of seconds until a slider appears on the screen, then slide that to the right to actually shut down the phone.

 

[keek]

Just curious here, I rarely power off my phone. Is this a common practice that most people DO power off their phones at night?

ETA: It seems to me that parents, especially, would not power off their phones at night in case their kids call and need help. I had aging parents and would not power off for the same reason.

I learned from a little grand that I can just shut off 'notifications'. I never would shut off the phone so that I can still receive a call, just not text/fb messages or snapchat alerts. I can't believe JMc would shut her phone off entirely in that family/life/personality. If she really did do that, she had her shady reasons.

 

[keek]

Lally is so inept at asking questions it would be funny if the stakes weren't so high. (Actually it's still pretty amusing.)

But I agree, on an iPhone you lock the screen and make it go dark by clicking the right-side button. I think that's what Lally meant by turning the phone off.

As opposed to actually powering the phone off, where you have to hold down both the right-side button and the volume button simultaneously for a couple of seconds until a slider appears on the screen, then slide that to the right to actually shut down the phone.

On my OLD and fine, Iphone, you just hold the right side button in and then slide the slider bar that appears to the right. Phone OFF. The phone goes dark screen when just simply not in use, on mine

 

[ch_13]

On my OLD and fine, Iphone, you just hold the right side button in and then slide the slider bar that appears to the right. Phone OFF. The phone goes dark screen when just simply not in use, on mine

Yes, it depends on the model. But JM had a relatively recent iPhone which requires holding down two buttons.

Restart your iPhone - Apple Support

Learn how to turn your iPhone off, then back on.

support.apple.com

 

[keek]

Yes, it depends on the generation. But JM had a relatively recent model which requires holding down two buttons.

Restart your iPhone - Apple Support

Learn how to turn your iPhone off, then back on.

support.apple.com

Oh, I'm SURE she did have the latest

 

[jepop]

B and UBM
Why, it's as if.....someone wanted ( encouraged ) the ME to say that ! ??!!

I'm anticipating highly the CME's testimony and cross examination. Are they meant to be independent or what?

 

[jepop]

“At some point you turned off your phone.” Those are the words Lally used. Personally, I would not ask someone if they powered off their phone, but would simply say turned off. But, the question is did she really turn it off, I have my doubts about that. She would have had to turn it back on in order to receive the call from KR just a few hours later. Maybe the experts will clear things up....JMO

Yes, so looks like could be another lie (why?) and puts Lally in a difficult position if phone expert testifies that switching off means that safari search windows/tabs would be closed (but in this case the evidence appears to be that the search was deleted and imo phone logs if accessed will have a time stamp for that deletion anyway ). Moo

 

[Wishbone]

Yes, so looks like could be another lie (why?) and puts Lally in a difficult position if phone expert testifies that switching off means that safari search windows/tabs would be closed (but in this case the evidence appears to be that the search was deleted and imo phone logs if accessed will have a time stamp for that deletion anyway ). Moo

reminds me of someone
"I always tell the truth, even when I lie" Tony Montana

 

[shotgun09]

I just watched a pre-trial hearing, ( a week before trial began) where Yanetti states, " We have a law enforcement witness who will testify to seeing Chief Kenneth Berkowitz and Brian Higgins ALONE with Karen Reads vehicle on the afternoon of Jan 29th 2022 for quote " A wildly long time". ' According to Yanetti, this is during the exact same time that the missing Sally Port video is missing 42 minutes.
From 5:08 and 5:50 pm. The witness will testify to this.

ETA: Just a little more reasonable doubt.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I just watched a pre-trial hearing, ( a week before trial began) where Yanetti states, " We have a law enforcement witness who will testify to seeing Chief Kenneth Berkowitz and Brian Higgins ALONE with Karen Reads vehicle on the afternoon of Jan 29th 2022 for quote " A wildly long time". ' According to Yanetti, this is during the exact same time that the missing Sally Port video is missing 42 minutes.
From 5:08 and 5:50 pm. The witness will testify to this.

ETA: Just a little more reasonable doubt.

Yes, she's on the defense witness list. Former Canton PD and currently Boston PD.

Needless to say, not only did the vehicle not belong there, neither did Berkowitz and Higgins. BTW, I'm sure many remember hearing that Kenny Berkowitz "found" a piece of taillight as he was randomly driving on Fairview days later.

 

[TIGER0822]

Thank you, sigh, it sounds all so believable. So bizarre.

Which should have resulted in the friends calling back to see if he was lost , needed more directions!

 

[ch_13]

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