MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

[TTF14]

But honestly, none of the evidence shows he was in the house either. You can point out all the inconsistencies but …..Karen’s own words everyone seems to sweep under the rug. We will see what the CW has to say in the weeks ahead. No way giving the investigation a pass or MP they did a horrible job. MP is still on the job even under investigation, that’s my understanding. Higgins is on desk duty, you would think MP would be the same.

Which of Karen’s own words are you referring to?

 

[Linda7NJ]

What are you willing to wager?

I have a bag a potato chips and a partially eaten quart of Bryers chocolate ice cream to wager

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Shame about the date and time stamps which were allegedly accurate and not reversed.. How could that have happened?
not without considerable effort IMO

Yes this is true. Another point I wonder about and not sure whether it has been addressed?

With some camera lens there can be distortion. Some lenses might be hyperbolic others parabolic. There almost IMO seems to be that occurring in the garage video (reverse imagery) of the vehicle brought in and examined. Items closer to the video lens appear to be slightly larger? Distant items slightly smaller IMO. This might also affect the ability to discern the images accurately.

And as noted by the defense in testimony IIRC, there also appeared to be some ghosting of individuals moving through portions of the video sequence. MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Which of Karen’s own words are you referring to?

If you dropped your man off at a house to party he was invited to….and he didn’t return home.

Would you be calling YOUR FRIENDS before dawn? Or would you simply assume maybe he drank too much and decided to stay there?
Why wouldnt you knock at their door first and ask?

Because she was drunk and knew she had hit him

 

[HarmonyE.]

Her tail light couldn't have been deliberately placed near the body, as the vehicle had just been retrieved from her address when the initial broken pieces of the taillight were discovered. Therefore, if it wasn't intentionally placed, it must have originated directly from Karen while she was driving. That's evidence right there IMO.

What do you mean by "her taillight couldn't have been deliberately placed near the body"? Don't understand the statement. The body had been removed from Fairview long before taillight was found. Remember that Canton PD searched the scene early that morning when snowfall hadn't yet accumulated much and didn't find a single one of the 45 pieces later found by state police.

Her vehicle wasn't retrieved from her or John's address. It was retrieved from her parents' house in Dighton. Proctor lied about the times in his report, and this will be confirmed when the defense calls the Dighton Police and tow truck personnel to the scene.

The scene at Fairview was not secured by any LE from many hours, and there absolutely was time for Proctor to plant taillight after the vehicle was towed from Dighton and placed inappropriately in the Canton PD garage. It wouldn't have taken Proctor long at all to throw down a few breadcrumbs broken pieces, and there were no photos or measurements showing exactly where in relation to where John's body lay they were found. Incredible. Later searches that revealed more taillight were completely undocumented by Proctor.

 

[Wishbone]

Yes this is true. Another point I wonder about and not sure whether it has been addressed?

With some camera lens there can be distortion. Some lenses might be hyperbolic others parabolic. There almost IMO seems to be that occurring in the garage video (reverse imagery) of the vehicle brought in and examined. Items closer to the video lens appear to be slightly larger? Distant items slightly smaller IMO. This might also affect the ability to discern the images accurately.

And as noted by the defense in testimony IIRC, there also appeared to be some ghosting of individuals moving through portions of the video sequence. MOO

there is a pandora's box of missing minutes.

 

[TTF14]

If I was inclined to be a lawbreaker and knew I hit him I probably wouldn’t do anything at all. I’d wait for someone to arrive at my home and notify me of his death.

IMO

 

[kittythehare]

But honestly, none of the evidence shows he was in the house either. You can point out all the inconsistencies but …..Karen’s own words everyone seems to sweep under the rug. We will see what the CW has to say in the weeks ahead. No way giving the investigation a pass or MP they did a horrible job. MP is still on the job even under investigation, that’s my understanding. Higgins is on desk duty, you would think MP would be the same.

Here's the thing though.
The house was never searched for evidence of his presence.
The occupants denied it but that is not evidence, is it?

 

[kittythehare]

If you dropped your man off at a house to party he was invited to….and he didn’t return home.

Would you be calling YOUR FRIENDS before dawn? Or would you simply assume maybe he drank too much and decided to stay there?
Why would you knock at their door first and ask?

Because she was drunk and knew she had hit him

Is the trial over? I didn't know. Catching up here.

 

[HarmonyE.]

But honestly, none of the evidence shows he was in the house either. You can point out all the inconsistencies but …..Karen’s own words everyone seems to sweep under the rug. We will see what the CW has to say in the weeks ahead. No way giving the investigation a pass or MP they did a horrible job. MP is still on the job even under investigation, that’s my understanding. Higgins is on desk duty, you would think MP would be the same.

His health app has him going up and down three flights of stairs.

The situation with Proctor is much more complicated than is Higgins'. He's involved with high profile murder investigations and this is a massive problem for the Commonwealth. They'll have to deal with it after the trial, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are working behind the scenes to move work off to other investigators. He's under internal investigation currently, thanks to the text about Colin Albert's mother wanted to gift him for his help on the case. But they'll also have to deal with him illegally searching Karen's phone without a warrant, looking for nudes on her phone, and texting friends he wished she'd just commit suicide (Thanks, FBI)

But make no mistake about it, Proctor's goose is cooked. Well done and crispy.

 

[MyJoey]

What do you make of all of Jen McCabe's deletions and her middle of the night Google search?

I honestly think a lot of that will be disputed. The software company did an update and my understanding was some of that stuff wasn’t found on the first search, before the update.

 

[TTF14]

Wonder how many other times he’s searched suspect’s phones for nudes. Probably a lot.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I asked you specifically about the arm injuries. You didn't see them shown in court? You didn't see the punctures in his sweatshirt? You can always Google them if you are at all interested in learning that Karen Read didn't hit JO with her car.

What do you think happened to his arm?

 

[TTF14]

What do you think happened to his arm?

Chloe.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I honestly think a lot of that will be disputed. The software company did an update and my understanding was some of that stuff wasn’t found on the first search, before the update.

What data hasn't been disputed by these "witnesses"? Everything is a butt dial, a phone data mistake, or an app that suddenly goes wonky when it normally works so well.

I suspect the defense will win this one too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is puzzling to me why an ME would make a statement on how he didn't die. I've never seen that before.JMO

See: Nex Benedict

 

[MyJoey]

His health app has him going up and down three flights of stairs.

The situation with Proctor is much more complicated than is Higgins'. He's involved with high profile murder investigations and this is a massive problem for the Commonwealth. They'll have to deal with it after the trial, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are working behind the scenes to move work off to other investigators. He's under internal investigation currently, thanks to the text about Colin Albert's mother wanted to gift him for his help on the case. But they'll also have to deal with him illegally searching Karen's phone without a warrant, looking for nudes on her phone, and texting friends he wished she'd just commit suicide (Thanks, FBI)

But make no mistake about it, Proctor's goose is cooked. Well done and crispy.

I can’t make any comments about him MP, cause I know nothing. I’ve heard the health app can be wrong, with stairs I know mine is a lot. I’ll be waiting to hear when all activity on his phone stops….movements.

 

[HarmonyE.]

What do you think happened to his arm?

Don't you believe Karen's car caused the lacerations (or "furrows") up and down his arm and the punctures all over his sweatshirt sleeve?

What caused them?

 

[MyJoey]

What data hasn't been disputed by these "witnesses"? Everything is a butt dial, a phone data mistake, or an app that suddenly goes wonky when it normally works so well.

I suspect the defense will win this one too.

Mainly talking about Jen’s search times…..guess we will have to see what the experts say.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Chloe.

So… Chloe is missing her lower jaw?
Where are the marks on the opposing side of the arm?
Her incisors removed?
Where’s the bruising?
Why ZERO evidence supporting a dog bite?