MA MA - Rapheal Teken, 37, Eric Weissman, 31, & Brandon Mess, 25, Waltham, 12 Sept 2011

[CARIIS]

Was hoping that the FBI or law enforcement would come up with damage control over the long weekend and release, or at least leak, some information about Todashev. The idea that a person could be as friendly as TT was with Brendan Mess, and then kill him in cold blood for cash, is hard for me to grasp. If DT wasn't involved with the triple murders, Todashev might be - or might have been - the only person with knowledge of the event.

Shooting a key witness is bad form. Law enforcement needs to come out with a statement.

THANK YOU! Gosh -

 

[CARIIS]

Was hoping that the FBI or law enforcement would come up with damage control over the long weekend and release, or at least leak, some information about Todashev. The idea that a person could be as friendly as TT was with Brendan Mess, and then kill him in cold blood for cash, is hard for me to grasp. If DT wasn't involved with the triple murders, Todashev might be - or might have been - the only person with knowledge of the event.

Shooting a key witness is bad form. Law enforcement needs to come out with a statement.

THANK YOU! Gosh -Just like the fertilizer plant explosion 48 hours after Boston - quiet as a mouse..............just like friendly fire at Mass shootout tooks days....................

 

[CARIIS]

Hope so. The silence is deafening.

And sadly IMO, we will never know. THey will wait, interest fades, and small article will be buried somewhere ..........

 

[BlackHorse]

A new leak this morning, anyway.

"Todashev allegedly began writing, but then flipped a table over, knocking the Boston FBI agent into the wall hitting his head. FOX 25's Bob Ward was told the agent looked up to see Todashev waving in his direction what was described as a Banzai ceremonial sword. Fearing for his life, the FBI agent drew his weapon and fatally shot Todashev. The entire incident taking only seconds."

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22...spect-attacked-agent-with-sword#ixzz2UhKtdd4X

 

[Mizunderstood]

this is the latest

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html

 

[claudicici]

...no kidding....and IT's wife claims she has prove that he was with her in Atlanta at the time of the murders....what a mess...

 

[Lulu67]

"The most intriguing nugget from the big Boston Globe profile of the Tsarnaev Brothers (the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon attack) is this one:

Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
Nobody states that there's a connection, but obviously now everyone's wondering if there is one.

The murders were a big deal at the time, due to the disturbing, grisly nature of the crime."

http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...ston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4

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"Tamerlan, by contrast, had seen his share of troubles.

Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.

Tsarnaev hadn’t been to Allan’s Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.

Until this month.

Allan, who is currently traveling in Thailand, said he got an e-mail within the past week saying Tsarnaev showed up at the gym acting rude and disrespectful, using other people’s equipment, walking on the mats with his shoes.

“It was a clear indication that something was up,” Allan said. “He was becoming a complete [expletive].”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

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IMO, it is highly curious that the bodies of the best friend of suspect #1 TT along with two other men were discovered on September 12th, 2011. The date is interesting since the three dead bodies were found on Sept. 12th which could very well mean that they were actually murdered sometime before then, perhaps even on the infamous date of terrorism, September 11.

Pure speculation: Perhaps these unsolved murders were not drug-related as the cops seem to think and more in line with someone with radical extremist views having been insulted in some way and lashing out at these men. Perhaps TT was involved in the murders of his "best friend" and two other men in 2011. Perhaps that's why TT suddenly changed gyms after the murders... Again, pure speculation.

BBM

If they did this bombing, they were NUTS. There is no element in Islam, or ANY religion, that allows for these types of crimes in any way, shape or form.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm just very, very tired of all the anti-Islam, anti-Muslim stuff I see posted day in and day out in the media and online.

 

[CARIIS]

BBM

If they did this bombing, they were NUTS. There is no element in Islam, or ANY religion, that allows for these types of crimes in any way, shape or form.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm just very, very tired of all the anti-Islam, anti-Muslim stuff I see posted day in and day out in the media and online.

was a clear indication that something was up,” Allan said. “He was becoming a complete [expletive].”

Substance abuse? Mental Illiness?

 

[CARIIS]

I too believe it was about the victims being pot dealers who sold in the past to Jahar, and once both brothers radicalized they saw those small time dealers as people who provide weakness/evil in the community and are Infidels eyes of Allah.

I believe this was an initiation of sorts.

I believe that Tamerlan encouraged Jahar to carry out the murders and that Jahar wanted to prove his allegiance/submission to Islam. I believe Jahar also was proving to Tamerlan that he was devoted to the same extremist jihadist beliefs.

Jahar would be showing by leaving the drugs and money on the victims, that he was surrendering those things to his past and had sacrificed 3 infidels to prove his allegiance to Radical Islam. The victims are a sacrifice to demonstrate the brothers seriousness and everlasting promise to submit to Allah and abandon all iniquity as well as destroy the bringers of iniquity.

Nice post, nicely written - thanx!

 

[katydid23]

BBM

If they did this bombing, they were NUTS. There is no element in Islam, or ANY religion, that allows for these types of crimes in any way, shape or form.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm just very, very tired of all the anti-Islam, anti-Muslim stuff I see posted day in and day out in the media and online.

So what do you make of these Jihadist websites, with hundreds of thousands of hits and followers? Are they all nuts?

I am not sure how you can say there is no element of Islamist extremism that allows for these types of crimes. That goes against the facts as we know them.

I agree that regular moderate Islamists have no use for this violence.

 

[CARIIS]

And we also find that while Tamerlan was overseas in 2011 (before the murders), the minister of sports for Dagestan was Assasinated. And Yes there is a Platnikov connection as well. (along with the twin bombings in Dagestan and the railroad bomb).

Your the only other person I have seen focus on Platnikov connection .

He is going to be SOO a part of this. I agree huge role! In everything - even the emotionial stuff he went through as he crashed and burned....

He is going to interesting as it breaks open.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...ston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4

 

[CARIIS]

Was hoping that the FBI or law enforcement would come up with damage control over the long weekend and release, or at least leak, some information about Todashev. The idea that a person could be as friendly as TT was with Brendan Mess, and then kill him in cold blood for cash, is hard for me to grasp. If DT wasn't involved with the triple murders, Todashev might be - or might have been - the only person with knowledge of the event.

Shooting a key witness is bad form. Law enforcement needs to come out with a statement.

ABSOL! Now, cause they did not, there is going to be a investigation. I posted link a few pages back. His death was ruled a homicide

 

[BlackHorse]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...shev-fbi-shot-unarmed-boston-bombing/2372119/

Late Thursday, a more detailed government version of the incident emerged.

Todashev overturned a wooden table, forcefully shoved an FBI agent into a wall and lunged at the agent with a pole, a government official briefed on the incident but not authorized to speak publicly said.

The FBI agent and state troopers had interviewed Todashev earlier that morning, the government official said. That afternoon, when Todashev did not answer his phone, the FBI agent, the two troopers and an Orlando police officer went to his condo, the government official said.

Todashev invited them in and began talking, the official said. As the conversation continued, Todashev indicated he was ready to confess to his involvement in the homicides, so the FBI agent pulled up a table so Todashev could write down his confession, the government official said. Meanwhile, one of the troopers left the room to make a phone call and the Orlando officer accompanied him, the official said.

Todashev became agitated, the government official said. He suddenly stood and flipped the wooden table up, hitting the FBI agent, who was slammed "forcefully" into the wall, the government official said.

Todashev reached down and picked up a metal pole about the size of a broom handle and swung it at the FBI agent, the official said.

The agent fired two or three shots, hitting Todashev, but Todashev came at him again with the metal pole, the official said. The FBI agent then shot him "until he eliminated the threat," the official said. The incident happened in a few seconds, the official said.

 

[emmavoberry]

I'm not surprised that an agent would shoot to kill anyone he deemed an immediate threat. In terms of firearms training, an FBI agent, just as a police officer, is not trained as a sharp-shooter, to try to disable or disarm a threat, but rather to aim and fire at the kill-zone, to eliminate the threat to his life or anyone else's on the spot, at that instant. If you grab a potato peeler and charge a police officer, she can and very likely will shoot to kill you. She will not squint, stare, do a double-take, try to discern if what you are holding is a lethal knife or a potato peeler. If you brandish it like a weapon, you will be treated as though you have a weapon. IT had a flip-out, violent history. He is strongly suspected of and ready to confess to a triple murder ( in addition to previous criminal conduct); he is connected to two known terrorists
and his body itself is a weapon. He grabs something it appears he might use as a weapon and he uses a table to slam an agent into the wall. That is all it takes folks. Protocol. At that moment, an officer of the law does have the right and the duty--and is trained--to act as judge, jury, and executioner. Most members of LE never want to draw their weapon and are very proud if in the lifespan of their career they have not had to. Once drawn, and it must be a split-second decision, either the threat extinguishes itself, and makes that clear to the officer, or it is extinguished. You can debate the practice/protocol, but it is one that's held to across the boards, so nothing unusual here in its application.

 

[claudicici]

http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...ston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4

In this video the reporter states "they are not releasing the names of the victims or the names of the 2 suspects that were in the apartment yet"
what????? was this bad reporting or did they actually know who was in the apartment????

 

[claudicici]

I'm not surprised that an agent would shoot to kill anyone he deemed an immediate threat. In terms of firearms training, an FBI agent, just as a police officer, is not trained as a sharp-shooter, to try to disable or disarm a threat, but rather to aim and fire at the kill-zone, to eliminate the threat to his life or anyone else's on the spot, at that instant. If you grab a potato peeler and charge a police officer, she can and very likely will shoot to kill you. She will not squint, stare, do a double-take, try to discern if what you are holding is a lethal knife or a potato peeler. If you brandish it like a weapon, you will be treated as though you have a weapon. IT had a flip-out, violent history. He is strongly suspected of and ready to confess to a triple murder ( in addition to previous criminal conduct); he is connected to two known terrorists
and his body itself is a weapon. He grabs something it appears he might use as a weapon and he uses a table to slam an agent into the wall. That is all it takes folks. Protocol. At that moment, an officer of the law does have the right and the duty--and is trained--to act as judge, jury, and executioner. Most members of LE never want to draw their weapon and are very proud if in the lifespan of their career they have not had to. Once drawn, and it must be a split-second decision, either the threat extinguishes itself, and makes that clear to the officer, or it is extinguished. You can debate the practice/protocol, but it is one that's held to across the boards, so nothing unusual here in its application.

That's what I don't get.This was known when they went in to interview him.How can they let a guy like that become a threat? It was foreseeable that he would act violent.He apparently had valuable information so there should have been precautions instead of standing around texting each other IMO ....

 

[Just K]

About the Waltham murders and Todashev. Initial reports stated that he "had direct involvement" in that crime.

Just to be clear:
"Direct Involvement" does not necessarily mean that he had to be present at the murder scene and during the attacks. He could have been involved in the planning or in events that occurred in the minutes, hours, days, weeks or months after the murders.

IMO, it is far too early to get caught up on either the semantics or this so-called "proof" that an estranged wife has as to him being in Atlanta at the time of the murders. He very easily could have arranged all of it from anywhere. Or he could have assisted after the fact.

 

[time]

That's what I don't get.This was known when they went in to interview him.How can they let a guy like that become a threat? It was foreseeable that he would act violent.He apparently had valuable information so there should have been precautions instead of standing around texting each other IMO ....

I think it's entirely possible they didn't think he would try anything with so many LE there. It also sounds possible to me that he abruptly changed. Maybe I said this before, but he could have acted like he was cooperating fully and then did a complete 180 in a split second. Not what you'd expect and a little crazy IMO, but it could have been his plan. I'm still thinking it could have been a 'suicide by cop' move.

 

[CARIIS]

I think it's entirely possible they didn't think he would try anything with so many LE there. It also sounds possible to me that he abruptly changed. Maybe I said this before, but he could have acted like he was cooperating fully and then did a complete 180 in a split second. Not what you'd expect and a little crazy IMO, but it could have been his plan. I'm still thinking it could have been a 'suicide by cop' move.

Humm never thought about suicide by cop interesting.............he pretty well did not have anything , probably in his view, to live for..............