MA MA - Rapheal Teken, 37, Eric Weissman, 31, & Brandon Mess, 25, Waltham, 12 Sept 2011

[claudicici]

So, are you thinking they didn't really identify the real Misha or did you miss that (not being snarky here at all)?

I really did miss that !! They identified Misha? I remember the "red bearded" guy but I don't remember anything specific?

 

[time]

I really did miss that !! They identified Misha? I remember the "red bearded" guy but I don't remember anything specific?

Yes, his name is Mikhail Allakhverdov - at least it really appears this is the right Misha.


"...A thirty-nine-year-old man of Armenian-Ukrainian descent, Allakhverdov is of medium height and has a thin, reddish-blond beard. When I arrived he was wearing a green and white short-sleeve football jersey and pajama pants. Along with his parents, his American girlfriend was there, and we sat together in a tiny living room that abuts the family kitchen.

Allakhverdov said he had known Tamerlan in Boston, where he lived until about three years ago, and has not had any contact with him since. He declined to describe the nature of his acquaintance with Tamerlan or the Tsarnaev family, but said he had never met the family members who are now accusing him of radicalizing Tamerlan. He also confirmed he had been interviewed by the FBI and that he has cooperated with the investigation..."

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/apr/28/tamerlan-tsarnaev-misha-speaks/

I thought I saw a picture of him, but I can't find it.

 

[time]

Here is a lot more about his background:

http://backchannel.al-monitor.com/i...-of-armenian-azeri-convert-puzzle-over-misha/

As well as a lot of other interesting stuff:

Banchik noted, in a telephone interview, that the Boston Marathon bombings occurred a few days after the US publication of the Magnitsky list, and suggested that it was strange, if Russia had suspicions about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, that it did not arrest him when he was there for six months in 2012. Similarly, Russia has reportedly shared with the US in the past week alleged recordings of intercepted phone calls from 2011, in which the suspects’ mother Zubeidat Tsarnaeva is alleged to have “vaguely” discussed jihad. But Zubeidat returned to Dagestan, in southern Russia, in 2012 from where she has given dozens of interviews in recent weeks. Russian authorities have apparently not found her of enough concern to detain her, Banchik noted.

The Russian-speaking diaspora in Boston, much of it Jewish, turned far less sympathetic to the plight of the Chechens after the Beslan school massacre and Moscow theater bombings

 

[CARIIS]

Some media have reported that TT thought the victims would go to police and identify them which didn't make sense. But maybe the three victims were middle men, brokers, operating for a larger party. That's the only thing that would make sense, as sellers and buyers of illegal drugs wouldn't go to LE.

Yeh , that did not ring right with me either. There all friends , its not like all of them would not know what is going on and participating . $$$ Source answered.

Poof!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Yeh , that did not ring right with me either. There all friends , its not like all of them would not know what is going on and participating . $$$ Source answered.

Poof!

I noticed upon studying Anwar Al Awlaki that one of his sermons before he was "martyrd" via drone Sept 11 2011 was about 2 men smoking Cannibis.


http://www.cannabisdocumentaries.com/2-guys-smoking-weed-imam-anwar-al-awlaki/


The story goes on to tell how one of his Canadian followers who was once a drug user found Himself devoted to Islam after smoking hashish with a Moroccan Muslim on a park bench.

I wonder who this Canadian former pot user could have been? Maybe he is referencing Platnikov who would have died not long before this sermon?

I find that this man, Awlaki, was a major influence at the times of the murders.


Please review his sermon on Cannibis. Sorry just trying to help find a possible motive as we all are. Hope I'm Not being annoying/straying from topic.

I believe the fact that their major Imam they followed died the same day that they killed those innocent 3 men TT called "friends" - that was not just coincidence.

Can anyone inform me if TT and others in radical
Islam would believe that somehow when they take the infidels life the infidel is spared from hell? Does the "infidel", becoming a sacrifice to Jihad and Allah, end up being sanctified through their death?

I will research this if no one can give me specific knowledge. Will let you guys know if I find anything significant.

Hope your days are going well!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I have found that the drone attack that took out Awlaki on Sept 11 2011 ALSO took out 2 other radicalized American citizens.

THREE radical Islamic American citizens in all.

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/05/p...s-us-drones-against-anwar-al-awlaki-derelict/

"The missle strike that killed New Mexican born-Awlaki has been placed in the limelight as it signifies the use of drones by the U.S. on U.S. citizens. Today Obama stated that it would have been "derelict" to "not authorize" the drone strike against Awalaki,*which also killed two more American citizens — including Awlaki's 16-year-old son."

Furthermore, one of the men killed in that drone attack was the operator of Inspire magazine, the magazine where the Tsarnaev brothers learned how to make the pressure cooker bombs according to Jahar's statement to FBI.

"We know Awlaki influenced the Tsarnaevs at least indirectly, through one of AQAP’s main propaganda organs. According to law enforcement sources, Dzhokhar has admitted to the FBI that he and his brother learned how to build the pressure cooker bombs they allegedly used in Boston from the terror group’s English-language Internet magazine, Inspire. For much of its existence, Inspire was run by Samir Khan, an American propagandist for AQAP who was close to Awlaki and was ultimately killed in the same U.S. drone strike that killed the Yemeni-American cleric."


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/26/the-awlaki-connection.html

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

It wasn't about money, it wasn't about drugs... It was about jihad and making 3 InnocentAmerican Citizens "atone" for the death of 3 of Todashev and Tsarnaev's Radical Islamic American Citizen mentors. IMHO

 

[Just K]

Very Informative Summary re: Awlaki:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/u...ans-in-drone-strikes.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[SophieRose]

I noticed upon studying Anwar Al Awlaki that one of his sermons before he was "martyrd" via drone Sept 11 2011 was about 2 men smoking Cannibis.


http://www.cannabisdocumentaries.com/2-guys-smoking-weed-imam-anwar-al-awlaki/


The story goes on to tell how one of his Canadian followers who was once a drug user found Himself devoted to Islam after smoking hashish with a Moroccan Muslim on a park bench.

I wonder who this Canadian former pot user could have been? Maybe he is referencing Platnikov who would have died not long before this sermon?

I find that this man, Awlaki, was a major influence at the times of the murders.


Please review his sermon on Cannibis. Sorry just trying to help find a possible motive as we all are. Hope I'm Not being annoying/straying from topic.

I believe the fact that their major Imam they followed died the same day that they killed those innocent 3 men TT called "friends" - that was not just coincidence.

Can anyone inform me if TT and others in radical
Islam would believe that somehow when they take the infidels life the infidel is spared from hell? Does the "infidel", becoming a sacrifice to Jihad and Allah, end up being sanctified through their death?

I will research this if no one can give me specific knowledge. Will let you guys know if I find anything significant.

Hope your days are going well!

BBM. What time did the news about the drones hit the USA? I doubt it was the same day or at least the victims were not identified that day.

 

[Just K]

BBM. What time did the news about the drones hit the USA? I doubt it was the same day or at least the victims were not identified that day.

It's seven hours ahead of EST there so maybe the news spread on the internet and among the Awlaki fan sites sooner than MSM.

 

[SophieRose]

It's seven hours ahead of EST there so maybe the news spread on the internet and among the Awlaki fan sites sooner than MSM.

Wiki has his death date as 9/30/11. The 9/11/11 date was probably just trying to tie it in to 9/11/01 10th anninversary.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Perhaps the murders tipped off investigators to the Awlaki connection.

so perhaps Awlaki was taken out as he was seen as a threat for ordering the death of three US citizens.

Then FBI/CIA decided to not apprehend TT, DT, and IT so as to follow their connections and find other members of Awlaki's international cell...

This idea gives me the willies,

BUT I would understand if they felt that the MA investigation needed to go cold and be listed as a drug deal so authorities wouldnt tip off the terrorists that they are on to them.

so the suspects, thinking they are free to network with contacts unnoticed, could lead US authorities to evidences/sources of a Terrorist cell (that is a global interest).

Imho

 

[Just K]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/09/a-post-911-interview-with-anwar-al-awlaki.html
Yes, here it say 9/30/2011

The confusion may be based on the fact that they "almost got him" on 9/11/11.
From Google:
Cheney Cheers Awlaki Killing - The Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-killed-a-primer-on-yemen-al-qaeda-chief.html
Oct 2, 2011 – U.S. Almost Killed Awlaki on 9/11 Anniversary Sept. 30, 2011 8:30 AM EDT. Intelligence officials have been able to pinpoint Anwar al-Awlaki for

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Yes thank you for correcting the date for me. Please review my last post as to why Awlaki may still be significant even if he died after the MA innocent 3.

Thanks!

 

[Just K]

Awlaki was approved for capture and killing as early as APRIL 2010.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Awlaki was approved for capture and killing as early as APRIL 2010.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html

What did you think about this from above?


"Perhaps the murders tipped off investigators to the Awlaki connection.

so perhaps Awlaki was taken out as he was seen as a threat for ordering the death of three US citizens.

Then FBI/CIA decided to not apprehend TT, DT, and IT so as to follow their connections and find other members of Awlaki's international cell...

Perhaps the FBI/CIA were aware TT was in Russia and knew at that point he was a terrorist bc of the Waltham 3. Perhaps Russia harbors resentment that we allowed a terrorist into their country in order to follow him in files of finding leads to the network (and low and behold he commits two terror attacks in Russia we think - I'm sure Russia was not happy that we allowed him over there...)

The FBI/CIA could have been watching him up until the bombings and for some reason they weren't able to get intel on the bombings before they occurred despite surveillance on TT, DT, and IT.

This idea/theory gives me the willies,

BUT I would understand if they felt that the MA investigation needed to go cold and be listed as a drug deal so authorities wouldnt tip off the terrorists that they are on to them.

so the suspects, thinking they are free to network with contacts unnoticed, could lead US authorities to evidences/sources of a Terrorist cell (that is a global interest).

Imho"

Do you think this theory could Have any validity? Every little bit helps us understand more. Thanks!

 

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I think the question of whether the State Police or the local LE investigating the crime should have seen a red flag with TT on the list (assuming he was on the list) is a good one to ask.

"Tsarnaev’s name was reportedly added to a terrorist watch list accessible to State Police working on the Waltham case through the local Joint Terrorism Task Force, an FBI unit in Boston.

However, an FBI spokesman said he could not disclose whether Tsarnaev’s name was on the list at the time of the Waltham investigation because the names on the list are confidential.

Some friends of victims who spoke to police said investigators never appeared to be especially impressed by the fact that the killings took place on a date of great significance to Jihadists, or by the ritualistic nature of the slayings. According to one friend with knowledge of the crime scene, the victims were laid out in separate rooms, face down, their torsos covered with marijuana and their throats slashed."

And, also... was there a bigger picture on all the drug dealing?

And while some friends and relatives of the victims discount the possibility that the killings were committed by rival drug dealers, others say it’s possible that the three victims were attempting to make bigger drug transactions and could have offended other dealers.

In fact, in January 2011, eight months before the triple homicide, Boston police searched a Roslindale apartment where Weissman was living and seized more than $21,000 in cash, along with a drug ledger, a currency counter, digital scales, and a wide assortment of drugs, including marijuana, hashish, cocaine, and Oxycontin.

Weissman also was a partner in a small business called Hitman Glass, which manufactured and sold glass bongs used to smoke marijuana, according to a Facebook remembrance page, interviews, and public records. The bongs are available at local stores where pipes used to smoke marijuana are sold. In addition, one friend of the victims said that Mess was considering investing in an illegal marijuana-growing business.
Nevertheless, several friends of the victims noted that each of them had been selling drugs for years and could only recall one episode of violence:

Mess was once severely beaten after coming up short in a payment to a drug supplier.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...hon-bombing/mJ2MwjWEZNZqYPRDixQX4I/story.html

 

[claudicici]

What did you think about this from above?


"Perhaps the murders tipped off investigators to the Awlaki connection.

so perhaps Awlaki was taken out as he was seen as a threat for ordering the death of three US citizens.

Then FBI/CIA decided to not apprehend TT, DT, and IT so as to follow their connections and find other members of Awlaki's international cell...

Perhaps the FBI/CIA were aware TT was in Russia and knew at that point he was a terrorist bc of the Waltham 3. Perhaps Russia harbors resentment that we allowed a terrorist into their country in order to follow him in files of finding leads to the network (and low and behold he commits two terror attacks in Russia we think - I'm sure Russia was not happy that we allowed him over there...)

The FBI/CIA could have been watching him up until the bombings and for some reason they weren't able to get intel on the bombings before they occurred despite surveillance on TT, DT, and IT.

This idea/theory gives me the willies,

BUT I would understand if they felt that the MA investigation needed to go cold and be listed as a drug deal so authorities wouldnt tip off the terrorists that they are on to them.

so the suspects, thinking they are free to network with contacts unnoticed, could lead US authorities to evidences/sources of a Terrorist cell (that is a global interest).

Imho"

Do you think this theory could Have any validity? Every little bit helps us understand more. Thanks!

I think that makes 100% sense.IMO there is no way they did NOT have intelligence on TT.I think it may be significant that the bombings were supposed to happen July 4th.It happened too early and that's what threw them off IMO.It could have been prevented !!!

 

[jjenny]

I've seen no evidence FBI watched TT whatsoever. They appear to have investigated him briefly after Russia reported him, decided he was no threat, and didn't follow through. Police in the triple murder case never considered him as a possible suspect either, per their own admission. Despite TT's name being mentioned by victim's friends. I don't believe for a millisecond FBI told police not to follow TT just saw they could themselves follow him. He barely had any connections to other terrorists. I've seen plenty of this in other cases, where police don't investigate a viable suspect just because it never occurs to them that this person should be a suspect. Just like in Cleveland kidnapping, Ariel Castro's daughter was the last person to have seen a victim before victim went missing. That daughter even appeared on America's Most Wanted. Yet police never investigated Ariel Castro as a s suspect and never even interviewed him.

 

[Just K]

BUT, LE knew that this had a "graphic" message...not typical of a "drug deal gone bad" and they knew that two other people had been in the apartment just prior to the murders. They also knew that the murders occurred on Sept 11th and that there was no sign of forced entry. None of the neighbors heard any noises that might have suggested a violent struggle took place. (Suggesting that the turned over furniture was an afterthought, IMO.)

LE knew plenty to start an in depth investigation on BM's so-called best friend who was a no show at the first vigil/ceremony, the funeral and the one year anniversary memorial. Even the gym owner saw that TT abruptly stopped coming to the gym to workout.

LE had plenty of reason to at least check on the welfare of the so-called best friend and finding him alive and well to question him for info that might help in the investigation. By the time of the murders, Russia had already alerted the US govt about their concerns re: TT and his mother.