MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[nicoletee]

SIL didn’t offer to go check that evening when daughter expresses her concern?
How close was it? 10-15 minutes?
JMO

Less. I think it's about 3.5 miles, country road. According to both of them, Laina's husband talked her out of checking because it was getting late and they both had to work in the morning.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Checking in for Sandra

 

[BostonTimes]

Less. I think it's about 3.5 miles, country road. According to both of them, Laina's husband talked her out of checking because it was getting late and they both had to work in the morning.[/QQU

 

[BostonTimes]

I heard the SIL explain that they call the night before whomever is taking the kids the next day. I'm not sure I would run there with the kids the next morning esp after Sandra didn't pick up the phone in the morning (again). So bring 3 toddlers over to who knows what? Sad for Sandra. Not including going to work after dropping the kids off with The Aunt last minute. Sandra called T at 5:30 so she appeared to be home still. Don't forget it was light out at 5:30 then. To have left your lights on it must habe been dark so the time frame is between 8:50 and midnight that something happened. Where is there a pond in Hanover?!

 

[MimosaMornings]

Less. I think it's about 3.5 miles, country road. According to both of them, Laina's husband talked her out of checking because it was getting late and they both had to work in the morning.

He was the last person to have seen her?

I remember an article saying Laina was concerned that evening and discussed it with him - he told her she was probably visiting with a neighbor and not to worry?

Several things just seem off with parts of the narrative.
JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

I know the last podcast host claimed there was a 5:30 phone call from Sandra which would seem to confirm she made it into the house after she was dropped off, but it was stated in the podcast from last year that the last outgoing call on Sandra's phone was to Laina on Tuesday. (Sandra Crispo - Missing Persons (podcast) at about 8:50)

It's also stated in this podcast that the last incoming call before the disappearance was from the cousin on Wednesday, when the grandkids were still in the house. This fits with the cousin's story that she never heard back from Sandra after their discussion about the evening earlier in the day.

As a 5:30 call appears to be a new thing, I'm curious as to where this information came from. Who told the host there was a 5:30 outgoing call from Sandra? Why does this directly conflict with the info in the prior podcast? This is very important, because a 5:30 call from Sandra would be independent confirmation that Sandra made it into the house safely. If the last outgoing or incoming calls happened before Sandra left her house, there is no independent confirmation that she made it in. And recall that the SIL says he did not see her actually enter the home when he dropped her off.

The cousin in the newer podcast also never said she missed a call from Sandra around 5:30 or any other time that day. Only that the police told her the last call on Sandra's phone was her number. Which is probably the call the cousin had with Sandra earlier in the day when the boys where in the house.

 

[Dotrat]

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As a 5:30 call appears to be a new thing, I'm curious as to where this information came from. Who told the host there was a 5:30 outgoing call from Sandra? Why does this directly conflict with the info in the prior podcast? This is very important, because a 5:30 call from Sandra would be independent confirmation that Sandra made it into the house safely. If the last outgoing or incoming calls happened before Sandra left her house, there is no independent confirmation that she made it in. And recall that the SIL says he did not see her actually enter the home when he dropped her off.

The cousin in the newer podcast also never said she missed a call from Sandra around 5:30 or any other time that day. Only that the police told her the last call on Sandra's phone was her number. Which is probably the call the cousin had with Sandra earlier in the day when the boys where in the house.[/QUOTE]
I am wondering same things.
Also, we are lead to believe that Sandra made it inside her home safe on Wed because on Friday morning her house had lights and A/C on? We really don’t know when they were turned on, could have been ANY time before Laina arrived Friday morning. There was a whole evening (Wed) and full day Thursday for this to occur and Sandra may not be the one who did turn them on. MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Also, we are lead to believe that Sandra made it inside her home safe on Wed because on Friday morning her house had lights and A/C on? We really don’t know when they were turned on, could have been ANY time before Laina arrived Friday morning. There was a whole evening (Wed) and full day Thursday for this to occur and Sandra may not be the one who did turn them on. MOO

I think the house has central air, so I can see it being left on if she voluntarily left and planned to be home shortly. I never shut mine off in the dead of the summer; I just move the thermostat up or down.

Daughter says all the lights in the house were left on. Does she literally mean all the lights in the house? House is very small, but bedrooms are separated from the small living, dining, kitchen area. If the bedroom lights were on, I find that very strange. I'd find it even stranger if the bathroom light was left on as well. If she isn't including bedrooms and bathroom, how many lights were actually on vs. how many needed to be on to see and move about in the open area of the home?

If every light in the house was literally left on, this could point to the possibility of someone searching for something in the house. Just one or two lights left on in the great room area might point to absolutely nothing. It's early afternoon as I type and I have two lights on in the 17 x 12 room I am currently in. The sun's out but the northeast facing room I am in still isn't bright enough for me to read and see the computer keyboard without the lights.

Also, I believe daughter said she had no time to feed the dog, but did she shut the lights off when she left? What specific lights, lamps were left on?

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

still hand-sitting over here... I tend to put more credence in the earliest interviews. People remember more details right away than later when comments from others can muddy the memory.

 

[Yemelyan]

still hand-sitting over here... I tend to put more credence in the earliest interviews. People remember more details right away than later when comments from others can muddy the memory.

I think what you've said about memory of details is true in general, but in this particular case I feel a lot of the details were shut down/shut off from the public, for what reason we can speculate but maybe never know. A whole year later we hear some pertinent facts that were initially denied now trickling out, such as about the episodes of depression. My hope, which I've said from the beginning, is that LE know the full story. I hope whatever happened to her eventually comes to light. I have a feeling the answer is less dramatic than the things we speculate about. JMO

 

[nicoletee]

I hope whatever happened to her eventually comes to light. I have a feeling the answer is less dramatic than the things we speculate about. JMO

I don't know. If it was some kind of spontaneous thing that Sandra did because she was depressed I'd hope she would have left plenty of water for the dog at least before she left the house. I also think they would have found her body in the area, which was well searched. Suicide victims can't hide evidence. I personally don't think she's been living among the homeless all this time. That leaves murder with a well hidden body. I think that's pretty dramatic for little old Hanson, MA.

 

[Yemelyan]

I don't know. If it was some kind of spontaneous thing that Sandra did because she was depressed I'd hope she would have left plenty of water for the dog at least before she left the house. I also think they would have found her body in the area, which was well searched. Suicide victims can't hide evidence. I personally don't think she's been living among the homeless all this time. That leaves murder with a well hidden body. I think that's pretty dramatic for little old Hanson, MA.

I don't think Sandra committed suicide. Though, I have to say that since I've listened to the newer podcast that possibility has moved up my list a lot. I think any time someone has documented depressive episodes - ones that are bad enough that your family felt they should relocate you - the possibility has to be on the table.

I also think it's a mistake to make any generalization about suicidal people, such as "if she were considering that, she would have left more water for the dog" or "if she were considering that, she wouldn't have made plans to do X,Y, or Z." Maybe some suicidal people would be like that, but others definitely not. I read a study about suicide recently that said that for a significant number of people who commit, they go from ideation to the act itself in a very short amount of time...like minutes or hours, not months or days.

Secondly, the area being well-searched - (this observation would go with any scenario in which her body might be concealed) - you'd be surprised how difficult it is for even trained searchers to find a body. I'm sure her house and neighborhood were well-searched but I'm familiar with the area and there's a lot of wooded area and water around there to cover. JMO

Lastly I think there are other possibilities that could explain a disappearance other than what you mentioned. But I'd rather not speculate openly without a statement from LE or family that leads in that direction.

 

[nicoletee]

Lastly I think there are other possibilities that could explain a disappearance other than what you mentioned. But I'd rather not speculate openly without a statement from LE or family that leads in that direction.

Since we really don't know anything, there are endless possibilities. However, there is no body. I've lived in Hanson in the past and I agree there are plenty of wooded and water areas, but it's not a forest, or an ocean, or a desert. I think unhidden remains would have turned up by now, even if found accidentally by someone. If on the other hand her body was hidden, someone had something to hide.

 

[keek]

Since we really don't know anything, there are endless possibilities. However, there is no body. I've lived in Hanson in the past and I agree there are plenty of wooded and water areas, but it's not a forest, or an ocean, or a desert. I think unhidden remains would have turned up by now, even if found accidentally by someone. If on the other hand her body was hidden, someone had something to hide.

Ocean might be the key word I felt as I read from the beginning the stories and diff outside things. My firm belief is the money she received along with the house. Seems the others did not.

 

[Yemelyan]

Since we really don't know anything, there are endless possibilities. However, there is no body. I've lived in Hanson in the past and I agree there are plenty of wooded and water areas, but it's not a forest, or an ocean, or a desert. I think unhidden remains would have turned up by now, even if found accidentally by someone. If on the other hand her body was hidden, someone had something to hide.

Maybe. I don't want to say too much about my occupation on here, so I'll just say - it's JMO that human remains, even if you are looking for them and even if you are trained, are not always easy to find. Sometimes it is shocking when and where they turn up and how long they have been there. And I don't know that she is still in that area.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Maybe. I don't want to say too much about my occupation on here, so I'll just say - it's JMO that human remains, even if you are looking for them and even if you are trained, are not always easy to find. Sometimes it is shocking when and where they turn up and how long they have been there. And I don't know that she is still in that area.

My own guess is that she's not in Hanson. I think she was transported somewhere else, voluntarily or otherwise. Sandra could have walked away from her home, but she surely would have been noticed by someone in that particular neighborhood on a warm summer late afternoon/evening while it was still light out, and I don't think she'd have gotten far wandering around in the woods after dark.

I understand your point about locating bodies, but if she fell, or had a stroke, or intentionally harmed herself her body likely would have been in an easily accessible area. As for water, given where she grew up and the fact that she worked on a commercial fishing boat with her husband, I'm sure she could swim if she fell in a pond or lake. No gators in MA. At least not yet!

With that said, I think it's also worth remembering that no one reported hearing or seeing a car picking her up.

 

[Yemelyan]

My own guess is that she's not in Hanson. I think she was transported somewhere else, voluntarily or otherwise. Sandra could have walked away from her home, but she surely would have been noticed by someone in that particular neighborhood on a warm summer late afternoon/evening while it was still light out, and I don't think she'd have gotten far wandering around in the woods after dark.

I understand your point about locating bodies, but if she fell, or had a stroke, or intentionally harmed herself her body likely would have been in an easily accessible area. As for water, given where she grew up and the fact that she worked on a commercial fishing boat with her husband, I'm sure she could swim if she fell in a pond or lake. No gators in MA. At least not yet!

With that said, I think it's also worth remembering that no one reported hearing or seeing a car picking her up.

I don't think she's in Hanson either.

And I know the neighborhood is on a road not often traveled and houses are close. But I also don't think people pay a ton of attention to what goes on around them. By the time LE started canvassing on Friday night, people would be thinking back to what they remembered two nights in the past. I don't remember what cars pulled into driveways near me two days ago. There's a lot unknown about what the neighbors had to say and how accurate it was. JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

[QUOTE="Yemelyan, post: 16710636, member: 200580"By the time LE started canvassing on Friday night, people would be thinking back to what they remembered two nights in the past. I don't remember what cars pulled into driveways near me two days ago. There's a lot unknown about what the neighbors had to say and how accurate it was. JMO[/QUOTE]

Very true about the time frame. However, it does not sound as though Sandra had many visitors or that she went out very often. So if a car not Laina's or Tim's picked her up or there was some crunching on the gravel after dark, having been in the neighborhood, I really think someone would have taken note, and remembered 48 hours later. This isn't a neighborhood with expansive front lawns. And I suspect people do pay attention.

Even if no one did see/remember a strange car, I do think someone with not-good intent would have been crazy to pick her up there. So if someone did take her or pick her up from her home, I'd suspect whatever ultimately happened to her may have been accidental. But I'm way ahead of myself because I'm not convinced she necessarily made it back into her house at 5 pm-ish.

 

[Yemelyan]

Very true about the time frame. However, it does not sound as though Sandra had many visitors or that she went out very often. So if a car not Laina's or Tim's picked her up or there was some crunching on the gravel after dark, having been in the neighborhood, I really think someone would have taken note, and remembered 48 hours later. This isn't a neighborhood with expansive front lawns. And I suspect people do pay attention.

Even if no one did see/remember a strange car, I do think someone with not-good intent would have been crazy to pick her up there. So if someone did take her or pick her up from her home, I'd suspect whatever ultimately happened to her may have been accidental. But I'm way ahead of myself because I'm not convinced she necessarily made it back into her house at 5 pm-ish.

In that particular neighborhood, you could hear gravel crunching (the whole street may have been gravel at that time if I recall correctly) and not even know which driveway was making the noise. That's how close the houses were.

People are pretty self-absorbed and busy these days, is my only point. I don't even remember what I had for breakfast two days ago, so how can I remember if my neighbor, who I don't know, went out after dark and in what car?

However, having said all that, I think she left voluntarily but what happened to her next may have been misadventure, accident, violence - I don't know. Suicide isn't high on my list but I kind of shake my head whenever people say it's just not possible for this or that reason. It's always a possibility, and that's proved by reading these missing persons threads day in and day out.

 

[Kittybunny]

I've read and re-read some of the details around the last phone call and the plans with the cousin, and I must say I'm a little confused. Can anyone help me with the following (debunk or clear up):
- Sandra had plans to meet up with or be picked up by her cousin that evening after she got back from dropping her car off
- Sandra was supposed to call her cousin when she returned home to let her know she was back
- The last outgoing phone call was at 5:30 from Sandra's phone (landline presumably) to the cousin
- The cousin says she did not receive a call from Sandra nor see a missed call

If the above is all true, some followup questions (trying to tread delicately here due to TOS):
- Could investigators tell from phone records if the call from Sandra was answered, even if it was a really short call vs missed?
- Could the cousin have picked up Sandra that evening, despite saying she waited for Sandra's call to no avail?

Thanks in advance!