MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[oviedo]

I should also add that the family moderator of the official "Find Sandra" site expressed that at this point the family is hoping to find Sandra's remains; they are not expecting to find her living somewhere. IMO it's interesting that they seem to believe her body is definitely within a search radius near her home. I don't know the exact distance of the family coordinated searches but I haven't seen any really outside of the south shore area of MA.

I"m trying to recall where Cheryl Coker's remains were found - in many cases when it's someone known to the deceased it seems like they are found closer to home - within an hour or so? It must just be awful for the family.
JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

I"m trying to recall where Cheryl Coker's remains were found - in many cases when it's someone known to the deceased it seems like they are found closer to home - within an hour or so? It must just be awful for the family.
JMO

This information could be moot because we don't know if Sandra left her home alive (under duress or willingly). If she was alive, this would not apply. But in 2014 the FBI commissioned a study on methods of body disposal among murderers.

The study found that if the victim's body was left at the murder site, this usually corresponded to an offender who was a stranger to the victim (assuming no evidence of staging was found).

If the body was transported, and especially if transported and concealed (as in the Cheryl Coker or recent Kassandra Cantrell cases) this tended to be associated with an offender who wanted to put time and distance between himself and his victim. Usually this was because there were logical links LE could make that would reveal the relationship between offender and victim. If the victim and offender did not know each other, the body was transported and concealed to obscure the situation under which they came into initial contact. (An example would be, an offender fears that the original contact between him and the victim was observed by witnesses or caught in surveillance camera...the additional time and distance between himself and the body allows for an alibi or plausible deniability that something happened to the victim AFTER the original encounter).

So if Sandra is indeed deceased, and foul play is involved, and if the site of her death was in fact her home, it's highly significant that her remains were missing.

 

[oviedo]

This information could be moot because we don't know if Sandra left her home alive (under duress or willingly). If she was alive, this would not apply. But in 2014 the FBI commissioned a study on methods of body disposal among murderers.

The study found that if the victim's body was left at the murder site, this usually corresponded to an offender who was a stranger to the victim (assuming no evidence of staging was found).

If the body was transported, and especially if transported and concealed (as in the Cheryl Coker or recent Kassandra Cantrell cases) this tended to be associated with an offender who wanted to put time and distance between himself and his victim. Usually this was because there were logical links LE could make that would reveal the relationship between offender and victim. If the victim and offender did not know each other, the body was transported and concealed to obscure the situation under which they came into initial contact. (An example would be, an offender fears that the original contact between him and the victim was observed by witnesses or caught in surveillance camera...the additional time and distance between himself and the body allows for an alibi or plausible deniability that something happened to the victim AFTER the original encounter).

So if Sandra is indeed deceased, and foul play is involved, and if the site of her death was in fact her home, it's highly significant that her remains were missing.

Very interesting information - and I don't recall that any blood was found at her home just the mattress slats - and the door was open - I really think she was dragged out of the house and put into a vehicle and taken away. Why?
I haven't figured that out yet.
JMO

 

[Sleuthen83]

It certainly would be. If true, it would also beg the question of how she made her way to these communities in an adjacent state with no car at her disposal. Raises almost as many questions as it would answer, if you ask me.

I saw the woman today and I got pictures, at I allowed to post here? What should I do with them?

 

[Yemelyan]

I saw the woman today and I got pictures, at I allowed to post here? What should I do with them?

You should call the police if you think you have a tip. Don't post anything here that could jeopardize an active case.

 

[Yemelyan]

Very interesting information - and I don't recall that any blood was found at her home just the mattress slats - and the door was open - I really think she was dragged out of the house and put into a vehicle and taken away. Why?
I haven't figured that out yet.
JMO

Yes, very little has been released about any actual forensic evidence found in the home.

Have you considered any scenarios where Sandra left willingly with someone she knew? In which case if any foul play took place, it took place away from her home? Because I think this could definitely be.

 

[oviedo]

Yes, very little has been released about any actual forensic evidence found in the home.

Have you considered any scenarios where Sandra left willingly with someone she knew? In which case if any foul play took place, it took place away from her home? Because I think this could definitely be.

The open door stops me from thinking that - else she was just going to run out to the car with someone with the intent of returning asap. A single woman? I really think she was taken by someone known to her -
JMO

 

[oviedo]

Yes, very little has been released about any actual forensic evidence found in the home.

Have you considered any scenarios where Sandra left willingly with someone she knew? In which case if any foul play took place, it took place away from her home? Because I think this could definitely be.

The open door stops me from thinking that - else she was just going to run out to the car with someone with the intent of returning asap. A single woman? I really think she was taken by someone known to her -
JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

The open door stops me from thinking that - else she was just going to run out to the car with someone with the intent of returning asap. A single woman? I really think she was taken by someone known to her -
JMO

I need to go back and check...was the back door open or just unlocked?

 

[oviedo]

I need to go back and check...was the back door open or just unlocked?

Missing Hanson woman's daughter desperate for answers
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Crispo was last seen at her home on Spofford Avenue in Hanson on Wednesday, Aug. 7 about 5 p.m., when a family member gave her ride. Crispo had just dropped her car off with a mechanic.

No one heard from her on Thursday. On Friday morning, when McMahon dropped by with her kids, she saw all the lights on in the house, the back door open and her dog inside without food or water.

Since then, police have conducted seven searches and turned up nothing.

"I feel like somebody in her neighborhood, in the general vicinity knows something happened," McMahon said.
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and leaving the dog really, really bothers me.
JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

Missing Hanson woman's daughter desperate for answers
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Crispo was last seen at her home on Spofford Avenue in Hanson on Wednesday, Aug. 7 about 5 p.m., when a family member gave her ride. Crispo had just dropped her car off with a mechanic.

No one heard from her on Thursday. On Friday morning, when McMahon dropped by with her kids, she saw all the lights on in the house, the back door open and her dog inside without food or water.

Since then, police have conducted seven searches and turned up nothing.

"I feel like somebody in her neighborhood, in the general vicinity knows something happened," McMahon said.
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and leaving the dog really, really bothers me.
JMO

So I guess whether the door was open or just unlocked may be a controversial point, then...I just re-listened to the particular part of the podcast where LM, Sandra's daughter, describes the Friday morning when she realized her mother was missing and she says the back door was unlocked, not open.

I'll list what LM says about her arrival at Sandra's house on Friday, two days after Sandra was last seen:

She called her mom in the morning before driving over with the kids and didn't receive an answer. She normally arrived at Sandra's around 9:20 but went earlier on this particular day. She says she already knew in her heart based on the unanswered phone that Sandra would not be there.

She normally lets the kids unbuckle and run into the house but made them stay in the car this time because she had a bad feeling.

She tried the front door and it was locked.

She stood on tiptoe and looked in a window and all the lights were on.

She went to the backdoor and it was unlocked. (She did not say it was standing open, which I believe she would have mentioned because she was so thorough about describing the scene.) She went in and noticed the air conditioner was on. The second thing she noticed was the dog, which normally is flighty and running around when people come in, was quiet and sitting in a recliner chair.

This is from the podcast The Missing, episode 1.

Edit to add: see also this article from a different MSM outlet, saying the door was unlocked: Police Still Searching For Sandra Crispo, Who 'Vanished' One Year Ago

 

[PommyMommy]

I read in another missing person thread a note from a moderator that stated information from an official "Help Find" facebook page where a family member is a moderator, is acceptable to share here.

So if that's correct, I can share some new information about the searches for Sandra that have taken place. This came from a family member's posting.

For those who don't know the geography, Sandra's house was very close to two lakes. The lakes were searched with K9, underwater drone, and other specialized technology available to law enforcement.

Texas Equusearch was approached about taking on this case and they declined.

Other local private search operations have been contacted. Most have the protocol that LE must invite them to participate. Hanson PD has refused all requests from these private companies so far.

Speaking personally, I am interested to know if Sandra's disappearance is bring investigated as a missing person case or as a criminal investigation.

Will you please link the Facebook page for us? TIA

 

[Yemelyan]

Will you please link the Facebook page for us? TIA

Yep.

Search for Sandra Public Group | Facebook

 

[PommyMommy]

Yep.

Search for Sandra Public Group | Facebook

Thank you. Sorry if it's been linked before and I missed it!

 

[Yemelyan]

I was thinking about Sandra's disappearance today and I think I figured out one of the things that is really bothering me about it.

We heard from family that Sandra:
1. Had no car because it was at the mechanic.
2. Was a homebody who had only a small group of friends (she was mainly close to a sister and a cousin who lived nearby)
3. Did not have relationships yet with any neighbors as she was so new in the neighborhood.

So given this information, why is it that when Sandra's daughter could not reach her at any point on Thursday or on Friday morning, her prevailing thought was "she's not at home"?

Why no fear that she was home but suffering from a medical incident? Granted 54 is not old but she was a smoker and certain conditions can strike at any time.

Never once has any family said "we feared she'd had a stroke or something." It's always "we knew she was gone." Why is that? Had she ever taken off before? Is there, in fact, a person the family thought she might have left with?

I just find it curious since you'd have to think some type of accident or medical incident would still be more likely than an abduction by someone who wanted to harm her...unless there was a thought that she could have left by choice.

 

[MsGazette]

Missing Hanson woman's daughter desperate for answers
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Crispo was last seen at her home on Spofford Avenue in Hanson on Wednesday, Aug. 7 about 5 p.m., when a family member gave her ride. Crispo had just dropped her car off with a mechanic.

No one heard from her on Thursday. On Friday morning, when McMahon dropped by with her kids, she saw all the lights on in the house, the back door open and her dog inside without food or water.

Since then, police have conducted seven searches and turned up nothing.

"I feel like somebody in her neighborhood, in the general vicinity knows something happened," McMahon said.
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and leaving the dog really, really bothers me.
JMO

I never realized the back door was found open. I can’t believe the dog was still there!

 

[MsGazette]

I was thinking about Sandra's disappearance today and I think I figured out one of the things that is really bothering me about it.

We heard from family that Sandra:
1. Had no car because it was at the mechanic.
2. Was a homebody who had only a small group of friends (she was mainly close to a sister and a cousin who lived nearby)
3. Did not have relationships yet with any neighbors as she was so new in the neighborhood.

So given this information, why is it that when Sandra's daughter could not reach her at any point on Thursday or on Friday morning, her prevailing thought was "she's not at home"?

Why no fear that she was home but suffering from a medical incident? Granted 54 is not old but she was a smoker and certain conditions can strike at any time.

Never once has any family said "we feared she'd had a stroke or something." It's always "we knew she was gone." Why is that? Had she ever taken off before? Is there, in fact, a person the family thought she might have left with?

I just find it curious since you'd have to think some type of accident or medical incident would still be more likely than an abduction by someone who wanted to harm her...unless there was a thought that she could have left by choice.

Good point. Especially since we know she didn’t have a cell phone. I’m not sure if they mentioned that she wasn’t connected to the Internet. Answering machine? Landline services offer voicemail too. Interesting...

 

[Yemelyan]

Good point. Especially since we know she didn’t have a cell phone. I’m not sure if they mentioned that she wasn’t connected to the Internet. Answering machine? Landline services offer voicemail too. Interesting...

I'm pretty sure that in the early days of her disappearance they said that along with no cell phone, she also had no computer.

 

[detectorhector]

I find it so strange that she had no cell phone OR internet. I can't think of a single person I know who doesn't have at least one or the other. I saw a video her daughter put out on the anniversary of the date she went missing. It was a compilation of photos of Sandra, but it also included a photo of a note Sandra wrote in her daughter's wedding album. It was handwritten, but was written a lot like some people write text messages. Things like she wrote "2gether" instead of "together" and "u" instead of "you". That's shortcuts people use in texting. Unless maybe she used to have a cell and didn't anymore, because that is sort of oldschool texting.

 

[detectorhector]

I never realized the back door was found open. I can’t believe the dog was still there!

Her door was unlocked, not actually open.