MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[Yemelyan]

@Yemelyan, we are thinking along the similar lines, I think.

Do we know what caused this estrangement? Forgive me if it's been discussed, I may have missed it, & following several cases.

I just typed a big long discourse, but whoops, let me just say this.

I am Sandra's age. I have no desire to chase around 3 little boys on a regular basis, even if they were grandsons. That's a lot of work.

All MOO

I think we might be. @MrsWatson

We do not know what caused the estrangement. But IMO LE would be interested in that. We know the earliest bulletins about her disappearance said that she might have returned to Quincy. It's not outrageous to think that her life here might have clues to what happened.

 

[MrsWatson]

I think we might be. @MrsWatson

We do not know what caused the estrangement. But IMO LE would be interested in that. We know the earliest bulletins about her disappearance said that she might have returned to Quincy. It's not outrageous to think that her life here might have clues to what happened.

She is an attractive woman. Was she living a monk's life in Quincy? No social life at all? I find that hard to believe, even if she was occupied with caring for her dad. Surely she took some breaks for time for herself? I have always felt like we're not getting the whole back story here.

 

[keek]

Sandra's son was very connected to his mother as his support system. I don't think he was on any of the podcasts or news story though?

 

[MrsWatson]

I didn't even know she had a son, we've only heard from her daughter.

 

[keek]

I didn't even know she had a son, we've only heard from her daughter.

All in very early on information and news reports etc. Steven.

 

[MrsWatson]

All in very early on information and news reports etc. Steven.

Now that you say Steven, I vaguely remember it. And where is he, in all of this?

Why I likely didn't remember? Not anything about him, after initial mention.

 

[keek]

Now that you say Steven, I vaguely remember it. And where is he, in all of this?

Why I likely didn't remember? Not anything about him, after initial mention.

No, he seems to not be PUBLICLY involved in speaking out as his sister and brother in law so there would not be anything we'd read or see on news items. Appeared extremely close.

 

[keek]

Some of us have read outside of this site from early on with interest of family dynamics and why that was. A lot of 'reading between the lines' and family accusations, not verified and since removed soon after. Sandra definitely had her own life after her children became adults or of course before then. We can't know what that was. We do know what most know through her daughter's podcasts and news reporting over time and her relative through marriage, that she was close with, which was on a podcast as well. Obviously there are plenty of people who knew her history as she was living life, including her siblings. We just don't hear publicly from them that I know of. Her SIL mentioned in a podcast as well that the siblings stopped communicating with them or offering help once it was determined that she had 'disappeared'. He highly questioned that.
Something will 'break' in time, but so far there are very tight lips it seems to her daughter/ SIL on that end.

 

[nicoletee]

I agree that we know very little about Sandra's life and that maybe there were things that went on that her family knew nothing about. It's hard to believe she lived like a nun or a monk and did nothing except watch the kids three times a week. Also, she had a car so maybe the previous times when she didn't answer her daughter's calls she was off seeing someone?

The problem with her disappearance though is the phone calls. If she'd arranged to meet someone Wednesday night, you'd think there would be a call with someone who would then end up the prime suspect. But it doesn't sound like she had any communication with anyone aside from her cousin and daughter in the time leading up to the disappearance.

If someone came to Hanson and and picked her up it probably wasn't arranged. So it was either a kidnapping - which seems unlikely - or someone stopped by maybe unexpectedly and she left with him/her/them, maybe thinking she'd be back shortly.

People go missing all the time but this is a strange one. No clues. At least not ones that have been shared.

 

[Yemelyan]

I agree that we know very little about Sandra's life and that maybe there were things that went on that her family knew nothing about. It's hard to believe she lived like a nun or a monk and did nothing except watch the kids three times a week. Also, she had a car so maybe the previous times when she didn't answer her daughter's calls she was off seeing someone?

The problem with her disappearance though is the phone calls. If she'd arranged to meet someone Wednesday night, you'd think there would be a call with someone who would then end up the prime suspect. But it doesn't sound like she had any communication with anyone aside from her cousin and daughter in the time leading up to the disappearance.

If someone came to Hanson and and picked her up it probably wasn't arranged. So it was either a kidnapping - which seems unlikely - or someone stopped by maybe unexpectedly and she left with him/her/them, maybe thinking she'd be back shortly.

People go missing all the time but this is a strange one. No clues. At least not ones that have been shared.

I agree with this. Maybe there is someone who the family thinks is no longer part of her small circle, or never knew they were, but still drops by occasionally.

If I recall correctly, The Missing podcast revealed that the grandchildren were supposed to spend the night with her on Friday. So she had Wednesday night and Thursday night all to herself. It seems that the plans with her cousin were not set in stone and that she visited often enough that it was fluid - no trouble if she did go, no trouble if she changed her mind.

It sounds like she valued her privacy and alone time and it was not unusual for her to not answer her phone or cancel social plans.

 

[nicoletee]

Maybe there is someone who the family thinks is no longer part of her small circle, or never knew they were, but still drops by occasionally.

Playing devil's advocate with my prior post though, you'd think other numbers would have shown up on her phone records. Assuming LE has pulled her landline records, an unknown number that wasn't a social security or a car warranty scam should have been looked into. Then again, maybe there was no reason to suspect any of the callers. I'm also not sure if local landline calls are logged by all carriers as there would be no associated billing.

 

[Yemelyan]

Playing devil's advocate with my prior post though, you'd think other numbers would have shown up on her phone records. Assuming LE has pulled her landline records, an unknown number that wasn't a social security or a car warranty scam should have been looked into. Then again, maybe there was no reason to suspect any of the callers. I'm also not sure if local landline calls are logged by all carriers as there would be no associated billing.

This is an interesting question....from a legal standpoint, I wonder how far back can they go looking at landline information in a missing persons case, if it's not also classified as a criminal investigation? Seems to me like because adults are allowed to walk away from their lives if they want, it could get into a privacy issue. Not that I think that's what necessarily happened here. But we've also been told by the family that LE don't have the power to compel people to talk to them or to get search warrants in this case (yet).

I was thinking that the info about last incoming and outgoing calls was provided to the family by LE but now I'm wondering if that info is just based on last dialed/missed call information stored in the landline's handset/answering machine. Or perhaps the family has information by virtue of the fact that they are responsible for the telephone bill?

 

[nicoletee]

I was thinking that the info about last incoming and outgoing calls was provided to the family by LE but now I'm wondering if that info is just based on last dialed/missed call information stored in the landline's handset/answering machine. Or perhaps the family has information by virtue of the fact that they are responsible for the telephone bill?

I know from other cases that landline records can be subpoenaed in civil litigation and LE can obtain with a search warrant in criminal cases. I'm pretty sure the phone company has to keep the records for a certain period of time, I think a year or two at least. But I also know that sometimes local calls that go through the same central office may not show up on records. Maybe this has changed in recent years.

 

[keek]

This is an interesting question....from a legal standpoint, I wonder how far back can they go looking at landline information in a missing persons case, if it's not also classified as a criminal investigation? Seems to me like because adults are allowed to walk away from their lives if they want, it could get into a privacy issue. Not that I think that's what necessarily happened here. But we've also been told by the family that LE don't have the power to compel people to talk to them or to get search warrants in this case (yet).

I was thinking that the info about last incoming and outgoing calls was provided to the family by LE but now I'm wondering if that info is just based on last dialed/missed call information stored in the landline's handset/answering machine. Or perhaps the family has information by virtue of the fact that they are responsible for the telephone bill?

I agree with this. Maybe there is someone who the family thinks is no longer part of her small circle, or never knew they were, but still drops by occasionally.
Exactly. She knew enough to not disclose allllll her personal life/ previous life I'm sure to a daughter that would disapprove, like any of us with adult children. Especially in her situation being dependent and wanting and needing to be in a good light.

 

[Yemelyan]

I know from other cases that landline records can be subpoenaed in civil litigation and LE can obtain with a search warrant in criminal cases. I'm pretty sure the phone company has to keep the records for a certain period of time, I think a year or two at least. But I also know that sometimes local calls that go through the same central office may not show up on records. Maybe this has changed in recent years.

And we also know by what the daughter said on the latest podcast that LE are not able to obtain search warrants yet....so now I'm questioning where the info on last incoming/outgoing calls was obtained or if it is even accurate.

This may change in the future, but right now it looks like this is "just" a missing persons case, not a criminal investigation.

 

[MimosaMornings]

When were the police notified?

 

[Yemelyan]

When were the police notified?

According to the family interview in the podcast The Vanished, LE were notified on Friday afternoon.

Edited to add this link which gives the day she was reported missing as Friday, August 9th: Vigil marks 2 months since former Quincy woman disappeared


Many other links from early days of the case give the same info.

 

[BostonTimes]

Sandra's son was very connected to his mother as his support system. I don't think he was on any of the podcasts or news story though?

Interesting. L mentioned the brother in this podcast but they also said no family has helped search. First I thought the fingers were being pointed at siblings of Sandra. Are they being pointed at the son to?

 

[nicoletee]

And we also know by what the daughter said on the latest podcast that LE are not able to obtain search warrants yet....so now I'm questioning where the info on last incoming/outgoing calls was obtained or if it is even accurate.

Here are the federal guidelines for an adult to be declared missing. Only one is needed. (these are a few years old, btw)

• The person who cannot be found has dementia or another mental disability.
• The person could be in physical danger. For example, he or she has been separated from needed medications.
• Circumstances suggest the person's departure was not voluntary.
• The person last was seen prior to a catastrophe, such as a building collapse.

The basic idea is that an adult has the right to disappear. The third one appears to be the only one that might apply, and it does sound as though LE has treated her as a missing person. From there, all LE would have to do is show probable cause that a crime may have been committed to convince a judge or magistrate to issue warrants.

Maybe LE doesn't think they have any probable cause. If that's the case, until a body shows up there may never be probable cause.

 

[Yemelyan]

Here are the federal guidelines for an adult to be declared missing. Only one is needed. (these are a few years old, btw)

• The person who cannot be found has dementia or another mental disability.
• The person could be in physical danger. For example, he or she has been separated from needed medications.
• Circumstances suggest the person's departure was not voluntary.
• The person last was seen prior to a catastrophe, such as a building collapse.

The basic idea is that an adult has the right to disappear. The third one appears to be the only one that might apply, and it does sound as though LE has treated her as a missing person. From there, all LE would have to do is show probable cause that a crime may have been committed to convince a judge or magistrate to issue warrants.

Maybe LE doesn't think they have any probable cause. If that's the case, until a body shows up there may never be probable cause.

Yes. This is what I am saying - she is an adult, she is allowed to walk away from her life. Do I personally think she chose to? No. Do I know for sure that there is evidence that a crime occurred? Also no.

My point is that as of right now - it could change depending on the course of the MA State Police investigation into her missing status - we have not been told by LE that this is a criminal case.

Therefore, I question where the ongoing/outgoing call info came from. Is it accurate and complete? Maybe yes or maybe no. It is doubtful that it came from court warranted information based on what is publicly known about the status of this case. IMO